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The NBA trade Deadline is February 19th. The Blazers will be 53 games into the season at this point, what will their record be? What trades have the Blazers made and what is our starting lineup. Also feel free to make any predictions as far as how players are playing.



My Predictions:

Record 34-19

Trade (Very Unlikely Scenario)
Portland Trades:
Raef + Outlaw + Bayless + Blake + 2009 draft pick and 2nd rounders (if necessary)

For

Vince Carter + Devin Harris.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...15~136~2382&teams=17~17~17~17~22~22&te=&cash=

The Nets choose to tank for the next 2 seasons and will have immense amounts of cash to spend in 2010 along with a new Arena in Brooklyn. Its also possible that we would only acquire Vince and Ager for Raef and Outlaw + Pick.

If Trade #1 goes down which I don't think is likely but it would be my dream scenario our roster would be:

PG- D.Harris, Sergio
SG- Roy, Rudy
SF- Vince, Martell
PF- LaMarcus, Frye
C- Oden, Joel

(Another Idea would be acquiring Monte Ellis if he is disgruntled in GS after how they treated him)


That said whatever trade is made I expect it to be for a SF just because of how hard it is to find a PG that would fit with this team and the fact that there are more quality SF's then PG who are available. I expect Oden to be playing a lot better after his first 30 games or so and hopefully by this stage of the season Bayless gets some burn during the Blazers many blowout 4th quarters. Also Kobe will break his elbow while flailing his arms imitating a foul and the Lakers will move into the middle of the Western conference standings
 
I expect that we will be 30-23.

Our starting lineup is:

Sergio
Roy
Webster
Aldridge
Oden

** I think Outlaw and Raef are gone by the trade deadline- probably for a point guard, but I'm unsure who- Harris, if we could get him, maybe Bibby with another piece, or Hinrich
 
Trade (Very Unlikely Scenario)
Portland Trades:
Raef + Outlaw + Bayless + Blake + 2009 draft pick and 2nd rounders (if necessary)

For

Vince Carter + Devin Harris.

You are absolutely hilarious. That's not enough to get one of them, let alone both.
 
#1_War_Poet_ForLife said:
Trade (Very Unlikely Scenario)
Portland Trades:
Raef + Outlaw + Bayless + Blake + 2009 draft pick and 2nd rounders (if necessary)

For

Vince Carter + Devin Harris.

You are absolutely hilarious. That's not enough to get one of them, let alone both.
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Pau for Kwame Brown and Jarvis Critten is a fair trade? If NJ were to do this trade they would only have 6.6 million commited going into the 2010 free agency. Ofcourse they will need to round out their roster but if they are able to do so for around 15mil they would have a plethora of cap space to sign 1 if not 2 great players, they would also be in Brooklyn which is more appealing then many small markets so yeah I don't think its totally out of the realm of possibility. I personally wouldn't trade Harris for anyone but Vince has a bad contract and if the Nets want to focus on the future I could see them shipping him out in a salary clearing move.
 
They wouldn't be in Brooklyn

Harris is only making 7 million that year.

Memphis also got Marc Gasol, who's been very good.
 
32-21

The only changes I see in the starting line up is maybe Webster over Batum but either way they both get minutes at the SF. I see Travis backing up at the PF.

Players most likely to get traded are Raef, Frye,and Sergio. Sergio only if KP feels that he will look to move on when his new contract is up. So much depends on how they view Bayless.

The question is who to bring in? Do we want to rent someone like Vince Carter , Marion, or Bibby for 2 months? (definitley not carter) Then either sign them to a 15 million per year contract or let them walk? Only if we give up Raef, Frye or Sergio. But not Travis.

Outlaw should only be traded for a long term piece of the puzzle. Maybe Conley if KP feels he is the guy and Sergio won't stay long term. I see why Memphis wants Outlaw. They have No back up SF on their roster.

But my prediction is Raef, Frye and Sergio will be traded for Marion
 
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The race for the NW Division title will still be up for grabs between us, Utah and Denver.
And I don't think any trades will be made.
 
#1_War_Poet_ForLife said:
Trade (Very Unlikely Scenario)
Portland Trades:
Raef + Outlaw + Bayless + Blake + 2009 draft pick and 2nd rounders (if necessary)

For

Vince Carter + Devin Harris.

You are absolutely hilarious. That's not enough to get one of them, let alone both.
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Uh, last year the rumor was VC for Jason "White Chocolate" Williams and Ricky Davis's expiring contracts, and couldn't get NYK and MIA to buy off. They got turned down offering him for a broken-down Jermaine O'Neal.
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b...with_jason_kidd_gone_vince_carter_rumors.html
It seems odd to ridicule people for their trade thoughts, when it seems you're not holding tightly to the historical grasp of GM moves over the last half-decade.
 
Rumors which hold absolutely no bearing.

He hasn't asked for a trade. He is making 14-16 million the next 3 years, and while his athleticism has lowered, he's become smarter. He's the healthiest he's been in years (he was playing through injury last year). He's having, all around, one of his best years to date.
 
That above trade is MORE than fair value for Harris and Vince.
Bayless- Who could end up better than Harris
Blake- A steady player to be a stop gap PG, also has a short contract
Outlaw-Starting SF, great contract and clutch player, great chemistry as well
Raef-Saves you 13 million
1st in 09-Draft wisely and you could have a Batum/Rudy type with that pick

Like it or not, Vince is a bad contract, and should not be apart of any rebuilding process. Harris is great but I think Bayless/Outlaw/1st is enough for him.

I personally wouldn't do the deal. I don't want Vince on this team. too big of contract and notsure he'd want to take a backseat to Roy and LMA.
 
Bayless might be better than Harris.

Greg Oden might be like Jason Collins without the defense or box outs.
 
mas ripcity said:
that above trade is more than fair value for harris and vince.
Bayless- who could end up better than harris
blake- a steady player to be a stop gap pg, also has a short contract
outlaw-starting sf, great contract and clutch player, great chemistry as well
raef-saves you 13 million
1st in 09-draft wisely and you could have a batum/rudy type with that pick

like it or not, vince is a bad contract, and should not be apart of any rebuilding process. Harris is great but i think bayless/outlaw/1st is enough for him.

I personally wouldn't do the deal. I don't want vince on this team. Too big of contract and notsure he'd want to take a backseat to roy and lma.
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lmfao!!!!
 
I'm going to go trade DeAndre Jordan for Dwight Howard now, since you know, he's on that second round contract and might become better than Dwight
 
Rumors "hold no bearing"? OK, I'll go there.

1) Marcus Camby to exchage a 2010 2nd round pick.
2) The aforementioned Gasol trade. Did you really pooh-pooh it b/c "Marc Gasol is very good"? He's 12/7 in 30 minutes. That's ok, but it's not "very good". So an OK center, a 3rd string PG/SG, 12M expiring and two late, late first rounders is the going price for an All-Star PF/C in his prime 6 weeks before the trade deadline?
3) Marion and Banks for Shaq?
4) Kurt Thomas AND two first round picks for a 2nd round pick.
5) Beno Udrih for a 2nd rounder.
6) Bibby for 2 backup PGs, a backup PF/C, Expiring contract and a 2nd.
7) Steve Novak to exchange 2011 2nds.
8) Zach for Tim Thomas and Cat Mobley. Zach also is making 14-16M, playing the best ball he has in a while, been smarter, kept his nose clean, and was shipped b/c someone wants to try really hard for LeBron. You think NJ won't?

And the NJ Special... R-Jeff for Yi and Simmons. I would submit (and not iron-clad) that R-Jeff has MUCH more value than Carter, and it ended up being Yi and Simmons. That's it.

Those are just over the last 18 months. Trades aren't just based on player talent. They just aren't. And GMs around the league have adjusted their scales.
 
#1_War_Poet_ForLife said:
I'm going to go trade DeAndre Jordan for Dwight Howard now, since you know, he's on that second round contract and might become better than Dwight
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If ORL had just traded Rashard Lewis, for, say, Joe Alexander (mid-lottery pick) and Charlie Villaneuva, you might have a point, if you add some 1st rounders and an expiring contract and drop Howard's value around the league over the course of 4 years (oh yeah, and make him, what, 32?).

You're just becoming a little silly now.
 
Pau for Kwame Brown and Jarvis Critten is a fair trade? If NJ were to do this trade they would only have 6.6 million commited going into the 2010 free agency. Ofcourse they will need to round out their roster but if they are able to do so for around 15mil they would have a plethora of cap space to sign 1 if not 2 great players, they would also be in Brooklyn which is more appealing then many small markets so yeah I don't think its totally out of the realm of possibility. I personally wouldn't trade Harris for anyone but Vince has a bad contract and if the Nets want to focus on the future I could see them shipping him out in a salary clearing move.
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that is much different. If they traded Rudy Gay, then ok, but Pau didn't want to be there and they weren't goin' anywhere with him and tehy wanted to save money. Harris is the best piece on their team for teh future, and they better keep him and go from there if they want a shot at LeBron.

We would def. have to give up Raef, Rudy, Bayless, Outlaw, 1st, etc... for them to start considering it. Harris is special man. But Carter is different. I wouldn't want him, but I can def. see them trading him.

But why would we want Carter? We have our SF taken care of for a looong time, and all we really need to do is actually clear up more time for Batum. We don't need someone who needs shots because there is only one ball to go around, and we have enough scorers on each unit, and Oden hasn't even tapped into his off. potential, where he will start gettin' position and demanding the ball down low. I really couldn't imagine a better SF for this team right now than Batum from anyone in the NBA, as his age is perfect as he develops with our team, and his contract, and he obviously wants to be here.
 
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Devin Harris, I'd take for sure.
Vince Carter... no way, unless we were getting Vince circa 2000. Sorry, I'd rather see Roy and the gang take the shots rather than see Vince jack up 20-plus shots a game to get 20 points, while playing no defense.
 
MAS RipCity said:
That above trade is MORE than fair value for Harris and Vince.
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Not even remotely. Just that package for Harris would be a huge rip-off in Portland's favour.

Bayless- Who could end up better than Harris
Blake- A steady player to be a stop gap PG, also has a short contract
Outlaw-Starting SF, great contract and clutch player, great chemistry as well
Raef-Saves you 13 million
1st in 09-Draft wisely and you could have a Batum/Rudy type with that pick
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Very homer-ish reasoning. Devin Harris has been a star this year and is still improving, and Carter is still a star and justifying his salary. Bayless could end up better than Harris...it's just incredibly unlikely. Blake is a mediocre player, the likes of which is always available and is easily replaceable. Outlaw is a good but not great player. None of this adds up to even one star, let alone two (one of them young prime and rising).

Like it or not, Vince is a bad contract
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I'm afraid not. Carter is still producing extremely well and is worth his contract.
 
Maybe I should make the caveat that I'm talking about the premise that
That's not enough to get one of them, let alone both.
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I don't think we can pry Harris from Thorn. But that's PLENTY for Carter, should KP want to make that trade (I wouldn't).
 
BrianFromWA said:
If ORL had just traded Rashard Lewis, for, say, Joe Alexander (mid-lottery pick) and Charlie Villaneuva, you might have a point, if you add some 1st rounders and an expiring contract and drop Howard's value around the league over the course of 4 years (oh yeah, and make him, what, 32?).

You're just becoming a little silly now.
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He said Bayless might become better than Harris, making the trade plausible. The point is valid.
 
I'd give Carter 17 million this year, and not look back. He's been scoring, defending well, leading, and creating. He's been clutch, and he hasn't been settling.
 
Again, not talking about Harris, so if you were, then I wasn't responding to that. Bayless needs to get more than 2mpg before I start thinking about what player he may be better than.
 
So WarPoet, in your opinion, VC is worth the cap space KP has been saving 2 years for? 15-18M over the next 3+ years? He's the missing piece?
 
BrianFromWA said:
So WarPoet, in your opinion, VC is worth the cap space KP has been saving 2 years for? 15-18M over the next 3+ years? He's the missing piece?
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Carter, without giving up too much (Rudy, Roy, Oden, LMA and still aboard), would propel you into championship contention.

It's 2 years. You have a team option.
 
So if I'm hearing right...

Raef + Outlaw + Bayless + Blake + 2009 draft pick and 2nd rounders (if necessary)
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for Vince Carter (it's not a "team option", it's "not fully guaranteed". 4M buyout if he's waived before July 2011) and his guaranteed 52M (not that I care about the cash, but it absolutely removes any chance of a FA upgrade or S&T).

And you think it puts us in championship contention? And that it's a steal for us, since those "wouldn't be enough for one of them, much less two"?
 
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