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It's a big list: http://www.education-reform.net/dropouts2.htm

It is also a big list crowded with professions that have nothing to do with college. No amount of school is going to help me sing like Ray Charles, play like Dizzy, or have a face like De Niro. For most, it is still going to take learning from a university and having documentation to prove training.

I know it makes me breathe alittle easier knowing my doctor has formal training and is not just basing his/her recommendations on tribal knowledge.

 

[Haakzilla]

...I am moving here, after reconsidering my options, rather than skipping to Canada first!

Unabomber's Montana land for sale; 'very secluded'

LINCOLN, Mont. – A 1.4-acre parcel of land in western Montana that was once owned by Unabomber Ted Kaczynski is on the market for $69,500.
The listing — by John Pistelak Realty of Lincoln — offers potential buyers a chance to own a piece of "infamous U.S. history."

"This is a one of a kind property and is obviously very secluded," the listing says. It doesn't say who owns the property.

The forested land, which had been listed at $154,500, does not have electricity or running water. Photos posted with the online listing show tall trees, chain-link fences topped by barbed wire and a tree with "FBI" carved into it, though it's not clear why. Pistelak said Friday he couldn't immediately comment on the listing.

The property does not include Kaczynski's cabin, which is on display at the Newseum in Washington, D.C.

Kaczynski is serving a life sentence for killing three people and injuring 23 during a nationwide bombing spree between 1978 and 1995. The Harvard-trained mathematician railed against the effects of advanced technology and led authorities on the nation's longest and costliest manhunt before his brother tipped off law enforcement in 1996.

Kaczynski was captured at the Lincoln, Mont., cabin in April 1996. He pleaded guilty in 1998, and is housed in a maximum security prison in Colorado.
Government investigators labeled him the Unabomber because some of his attacks were directed at university scholars.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_unabomber_property

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.forbes.com/2003/07/28/cx_dd_0728mondaymatch.html
So on this list 2/3 of the wealtiest have degrees. The starting pay for a college graduate compared to a high school graduate is almost double. There is also a bigger disparity in wealth between the rich and poor in each degree designation. Since the withhout college degree members have on average more wealth than the college degree Forbes 400 members, the poor must be even poorer than the rich.

Of the four examples Forbes gives, it is not a surprise that 4 were dropouts? Do you think any of the time spent at each university had something to do with their success?

You're deciphering this backwards.

Most people on the Forbes list inherited their wealth. They did nothing to create it, or even to deserve it. They have degrees because their parents were filthy rich and could afford to throw away hundreds of thousands of dollars just to get the useless, spoiled brats out of the house and to try to teach them some responsibility. Also, simply because it's a "keeping up with the Jones" thing. "My son is attending HAWVAWD!" The richer they are, the more college they can afford and the less likely they need to actually work. Look to the top of the list. Most of the WalMart family has performed less actual work in their lives than the average retail manager of 1 of their stores.

The vast majority of self-made millionaires and billionaires have had no degrees and many dropped out of high school. Same with most inventers. The traits, skills and psyche needed to be a true overachiever are not, cannot be, taught. They come from your genes, your upbringing and your environment. By the time college rolls around, you've either got it or you don't. The fact you're remaining in school for another 4-8-12 years says you're not even ready to support yourself and make your mark, never mind out-perform your peers. It speaks of fear and uncertainty, and the valuable life experience you miss while incubating for those years can never be recaptured.

 

[MARIS61]

Here's what college does for you:

Kaczynski is serving a life sentence for killing three people and injuring 23 during a nationwide bombing spree between 1978 and 1995. The Harvard-trained mathematician railed against the effects of advanced technology and led authorities on the nation's longest and costliest manhunt before his brother tipped off law enforcement in 1996

 

[MARIS61]

It is also a big list crowded with professions that have nothing to do with college. No amount of school is going to help me sing like Ray Charles, play like Dizzy, or have a face like De Niro. For most, it is still going to take learning from a university and having documentation to prove training.

You are correct that college cannot make you play like Dizzy...you have to make an effort. You have to have an aptitude for learning. You have to practice 10-14 hrs a day. Just as no college will make you a good doctor. All it can do is provide you with information that is all readily available and easily accessible in public libraries and on the internet.

If after 12 years of education you haven't developed the basic skills to teach yourself what you desire to learn, you're probably never going to be anything special in the career world.

 

[MARIS61]

It's worse today, but here's a look at the "achievers" on the Forbes list from 1997:

Forbes celebrates bootstrappers, but its 400 are better represented by Jim Hightower's remark about George Bush, "He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple." (Steve "Flat Tax" Forbes can relate. The Forbes family is conspiciously abstent from the 400, but Fortune pegged inheritor Steve's personal wealth at $439 million in 1996, enough to make that year's cut.) "Born on Third Base," a new study by the Boston-based United for a Fair Economy, shows that a majority of the Forbes 400 inherited their way onto the list, inherited already substantial and profitable companies, or received key start-up capital from a family member.


42 percent were born on home plate. These include older dynasties like the Rockefellers and du Ponts, and newer family fortunes from companies like Walmart and Gap. The Waltons of Wal-Mart are ranked nine through thirteen on the Forbes 400, with a combined $32 billion. Forbes thinks some of those born on home plate hit a home run. For example, it calls Philip Anschutz "self-made" even though he would have made the 400 cut just from the mineral wealth he inherited from his father.

At least 6 percent were born on third base. They inherited wealth in excess of $50 million or a large and prosperous company, and grew this initial fortune into Forbes 400 size. For example, Edward Johnson III inherited Fidelity from his father and led it the mutual fund world series.

At least 7 percent were born on second base. They inherited a medium-sized business or wealth of more than $1 million or received substantial start-up capital for a business from a family member. Examples include poultry tycoons Donald Tyson and Frank Perdue.

At least 14 percent were born on first base. For example, Bill Gates's parents were well-off professionals and he went to a private school where he and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen began their exploration of computers.

Nike founder Phil Knight was born in the batter's box and hustled his way to number 17 on the Forbes 400 with $5.4 billion. But the high-priced Air Jordans that bring such profits aren't self-made: The typical Nike worker is an Asian girl or woman working in a sweatshop for less than $10 a week. Forbes comments, "An unrepentant Phil Knoght blasts his sweatshop critics: 'This isn't an issue that should even be on the political agenda today. It's just a sound bite of globalization.'"

Rich Americans have been scoring off workers' sacrifice flies for decades. It's time to give workers their fair share at bat.

http://www.phenomenologycenter.org/course/rich.htm

 

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Just as no college will make you a good doctor. All it can do is provide you with information that is all readily available and easily accessible in public libraries and on the internet.

If you want to have an aneurism removed from your brain from someone getting "really good self instruction" of the internet, you are more than welcome to.

 

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Here's what college does for you:

Kaczynski is serving a life sentence for killing three people and injuring 23 during a nationwide bombing spree between 1978 and 1995. The Harvard-trained mathematician railed against the effects of advanced technology and led authorities on the nation's longest and costliest manhunt before his brother tipped off law enforcement in 1996

So if I can give an example of someone with out a degree going on a murder spree, you should not get a degree or get a degree to avoid being a mass murderer?

 

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It's worse today, but here's a look at the "achievers" on the Forbes list from 1997:

Forbes celebrates bootstrappers, but its 400 are better represented by Jim Hightower's remark about George Bush, "He was born on third base and thought he hit a triple." (Steve "Flat Tax" Forbes can relate. The Forbes family is conspiciously abstent from the 400, but Fortune pegged inheritor Steve's personal wealth at $439 million in 1996, enough to make that year's cut.) "Born on Third Base," a new study by the Boston-based United for a Fair Economy, shows that a majority of the Forbes 400 inherited their way onto the list, inherited already substantial and profitable companies, or received key start-up capital from a family member.


42 percent were born on home plate. These include older dynasties like the Rockefellers and du Ponts, and newer family fortunes from companies like Walmart and Gap. The Waltons of Wal-Mart are ranked nine through thirteen on the Forbes 400, with a combined $32 billion. Forbes thinks some of those born on home plate hit a home run. For example, it calls Philip Anschutz "self-made" even though he would have made the 400 cut just from the mineral wealth he inherited from his father.

At least 6 percent were born on third base. They inherited wealth in excess of $50 million or a large and prosperous company, and grew this initial fortune into Forbes 400 size. For example, Edward Johnson III inherited Fidelity from his father and led it the mutual fund world series.

At least 7 percent were born on second base. They inherited a medium-sized business or wealth of more than $1 million or received substantial start-up capital for a business from a family member. Examples include poultry tycoons Donald Tyson and Frank Perdue.

At least 14 percent were born on first base. For example, Bill Gates's parents were well-off professionals and he went to a private school where he and Microsoft co-founder Paul Allen began their exploration of computers.

Nike founder Phil Knight was born in the batter's box and hustled his way to number 17 on the Forbes 400 with $5.4 billion. But the high-priced Air Jordans that bring such profits aren't self-made: The typical Nike worker is an Asian girl or woman working in a sweatshop for less than $10 a week. Forbes comments, "An unrepentant Phil Knoght blasts his sweatshop critics: 'This isn't an issue that should even be on the political agenda today. It's just a sound bite of globalization.'"

Rich Americans have been scoring off workers' sacrifice flies for decades. It's time to give workers their fair share at bat.

http://www.phenomenologycenter.org/course/rich.htm

Very biased article.

If those that had inherited their wealth were not on the list, you would be complaining on how they do not know the value of a dollar and blew all of their money. It also speaks less of Paul Allen and Bill Gates accomplishments. Heaven forbid that his parents were not silly enough to have kids without having a way to provide for them.

Yeah, it should be those that do the unskilled labor of the world and have kids that they cannot provide for that reap the benefits.

 

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Very biased article.

If those that had inherited their wealth were not on the list, you would be complaining on how they do not know the value of a dollar and blew all of their money. It also speaks less of Paul Allen and Bill Gates accomplishments. Heaven forbid that his parents were not silly enough to have kids without having a way to provide for them.

Yeah, it should be those that do the unskilled labor of the world and have kids that they cannot provide for that reap the benefits.

Fail.

 

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Here's what college does for you:

Kaczynski is serving a life sentence for killing three people and injuring 23 during a nationwide bombing spree between 1978 and 1995. The Harvard-trained mathematician railed against the effects of advanced technology and led authorities on the nation's longest and costliest manhunt before his brother tipped off law enforcement in 1996

It wasn't college that did him in, Kaczynski was just born a few years too soon. He missed the internet, where he could have shared his crackpot theories with others in an atmosphere much like, say, the Blazer OT Forum of S2. With that release, it would have relieved the need for him to take action in the real world, much as with posters here.

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[barfo]

Did not recieve as much as others growing up, but will always be thankful for the stories from my grandparents about how they survived during the depression. None of those stories involved going savage.

Yeah, but maybe your grandparents chose what stories to tell you? Probably the stories of grandma and bordello, or grandpa robbing banks were edited out.

barfo

 

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Yeah, but maybe your grandparents chose what stories to tell you? Probably the stories of grandma and bordello, or grandpa robbing banks were edited out.

barfo

You have no knowlegde of my family or what they told me, so what gives you the right to say that my grandmother was probably a whore?

 

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You have no knowlegde of my family or what they told me, so what gives you the right to say that my grandmother was probably a whore?

Come on, all grandmothers were once whores.

barfo

 

[MARIS61]

You have no knowlegde of my family or what they told me, so what gives you the right to say that my grandmother was probably a whore?

Haven't you studied the Depression Era?

Men were bank robbers, women were whores.

And all the Oakies migrated west to become today's Californians.

 

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Did not recieve as much as others growing up, but will always be thankful for the stories from my grandparents about how they survived during the depression. None of those stories involved going savage.

Key word is they. Not every single woman was a whore and not every single man was a bank robber. While others might have chose to be savages, you have no idea what they shared with me on how they survived.

 

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Key word is they. Not every single woman was a whore and not every single man was a bank robber. While others might have chose to be savages, you have no idea what they shared with me on how they survived.

It was a joke, eh? As far as I know your grandma was a virgin.

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It was a joke, eh? As far as I know your grandma was a virgin.

barfo

Yeah, real funny calling my grandmother a whore. Why can I not see the humor in that?

 

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Yeah, real funny calling my grandmother a whore. Why can I not see the humor in that?

I don't know. I guess the most obvious answer is that you don't have much of a sense of humor?

And I'm offended that you don't think my jokes are funny. As long as we are being oh so offended and all.

barfo

 

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Fail.

Would love to hear your thoughts on why this is failed and what you think the role of a parent should be.