Preseason Game 3 observations

[Netted]

1) The trade was definitely a risk worth taking. Yi looks like he can be the real deal. Plays good defense using his length well and understands where to be. Has amazing athleticism and body control for a 7 footer. And a sweet jumper. Needs to avoid foul trouble.

2) CDR hates to lose. Even when the PRE-SEASON game was over you could see him walking off the court pissed and disgusted.

3) Dooling was rusty and hard to tell if his pg abilities will be adequate in the new offense.

4) They are showcasing Hassell and Swift in the hopes of trading them.

5) Devin still struggling to learn the offense.

6) TOs have been high and assists have been abismally low. I expected more assists out of this offense.

7) I think the best lineup will include Harris, Carter, Yi and Lopez. Maybe Simmons or Najera at SF. Yi and Lopez both bring distinctively different skill sets at the 4 and 5 and will fit together nicely.

8) Players that can put the ball on the floor without dribbling off their foot or getting stripped will have success in this offense. Simmons may struggle. Boone, Williams and Swift are best suited at center.

9) Sean looks lost. Amazing timing to block shots and horrible timing to grab rebounds. Waits for the ball to come to him instead of going after it.

10) I like CDR off the bench. No need to start him. We need a good SG off the bench.

Other views?

 

[networks]

As for your points:

1) The trade was definitely a risk worth taking. Yi looks like he can be the real deal. Plays good defense using his length well and understands where to be. Has amazing athleticism and body control for a 7 footer. And a sweet jumper. Needs to avoid foul trouble.

Yeah he needs to be careful of Foul Trouble. They all do.

2) CDR hates to lose. Even when the PRE-SEASON game was over you could see him walking off the court pissed and disgusted.

Yeah finally a SG that hates to lose. I am going to really like this kid.

3) Dooling was rusty and hard to tell if his pg abilities will be adequate in the new offense.

I dont know about being rusty but I like this guy too. He has balls. I dont consider him a PG though. He is a combo guard. We are going to need another PG that is pass first. Dooling and CDR are going to be an exciting second unit that can score and defend.

4) They are showcasing Hassell and Swift in the hopes of trading them.

I hope so because if they arent Frank is wasting PT on these guys. I dont care about Swift. Hassel needs to concentrate on what he DID well prior to the Nets - DEFEND.

5) Devin still struggling to learn the offense.

This is going to be a difficult assessment. Harris is a scoring PG. He has always been IMO. Frank needs to have more post plays and screen plays for Harris to avg more assists. This new Dribble Drive isnt going to increase Harris's asts IMO. This is only going to increase his scoring.

6) TOs have been high and assists have been abismally low. I expected more assists out of this offense.

I agree with you more balanced assists but not from our PG. See above.

7) I think the best lineup will include Harris, Carter, Yi and Lopez. Maybe Simmons or Najera at SF. Yi and Lopez both bring distinctively different skill sets at the 4 and 5 and will fit together nicely.

I agree with you. The SF positions is soooooooo up in the air. Simmons should be coming off the bench. Like Mike Fratello said, NO Driving!!!! Only Spot Up Shots.

8) Players that can put the ball on the floor without dribbling off their foot or getting stripped will have success in this offense. Simmons may struggle. Boone, Williams and Swift are best suited at center.

I agree with you completely. The big men need their own plays. Frank needs to incorporate these guys with other plays. He cant use the Dribble Drive all the time. Especially since the media has been advertising teams will be using this more. The defenses will be prepared.

9) Sean looks lost. Amazing timing to block shots and horrible timing to grab rebounds. Waits for the ball to come to him instead of going after it.

I agree. As much as I like this kid. He does seem out of control. He needs a big man coach. With all the bigs on this team they need a big man coach. Silas where are you.

10) I like CDR off the bench. No need to start him. We need a good SG off the bench.

I say a 2nd squad of Dooling, CDR, Simmons, Boone and Anderson is going to be solid. If you remove Boone and add S.Will it should be well balanced.

Other views?

I know it is preseason, but I dont like Franks concepts of rotations and lineups for the preseason so far. Play the guys as if you were playing regular season games. I dont understand why Yi was still in the game after 2 fouls in the 1st quarter let only 3 or 4 fouls. This completely through Yi off his game later on. He didnt want to defend because he knew he had 4 fouls. This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen by Frank.

 

[Petey]

7) I think the best lineup will include Harris, Carter, Yi and Lopez. Maybe Simmons or Najera at SF. Yi and Lopez both bring distinctively different skill sets at the 4 and 5 and will fit together nicely.

I think Najera is an undersized PF, I don't think he has the speed and lateral movement required to guard a swingman for 30 minutes a nice.

I think our best lineup will be Harris-Dooling/CDR-Carter-Yi-Lopez/Boone.

-Petey

 

[Netted]

As for your points:

I know it is preseason, but I dont like Franks concepts of rotations and lineups for the preseason so far. Play the guys as if you were playing regular season games. I dont understand why Yi was still in the game after 2 fouls in the 1st quarter let only 3 or 4 fouls. This completely through Yi off his game later on. He didnt want to defend because he knew he had 4 fouls. This is the stupidest thing I have ever seen by Frank.

Frank wanted to let him get a rhythm. Didn't care if he fouled out because he has an abundance of bigs he needs to look at as well as small line-ups. I understand that. He won't be doing that during the last 2 or 3 preseason games.

In this offense you don't need a true point. As great a playmaker as Kidd was I would rather have Harris attacking the hoop than Kidd camping out behind the 3 point line. They scored 108 points against a very good defensive team in Boston (even with their big 3 sitting). Last night the big problem was TOs. 16 point differential in points off TOs. Kidd got more of his assists in transition than the half court and Devin is still pretty good at that. Defense was the big issue last night.

My concern with assists stems from the non-pgs. Need to see more swinging the ball. Harris was the only one with an assist in the starting unit. In 3 preseason games the Nets bigs have had a grand total of 4 assists (2 by Anderson in game 1 and 2 by Yi in game 2. None last night). Where are the infamous kick-outs for open jumpers?

 

[Netted]

I think Najera is an undersized PF, I don't think he has the speed and lateral movement required to guard a swingman for 30 minutes a nice.

I think our best lineup will be Harris-Dooling/CDR-Carter-Yi-Lopez/Boone.

-Petey

I think he is more of an undersized PF too, but I think he can guard certain SFs. I don't think his lateral speed is that bad, although I haven't watched him a ton. The bigger 3s like Artest and Granger won't be too bad, but some SGs masquerading as SFs will give him trouble.

I like CDR and Dooling off the bench (for now).

 

[J.S]

1) The trade was definitely a risk worth taking. Yi looks like he can be the real deal. Plays good defense using his length well and understands where to be. Has amazing athleticism and body control for a 7 footer. And a sweet jumper. Needs to avoid foul trouble.
yes, Yi is money

2) CDR hates to lose. Even when the PRE-SEASON game was over you could see him walking off the court pissed and disgusted.
CDR is fresh. I wonder if he isn't a better pg than gill or hodge

3) Dooling was rusty and hard to tell if his pg abilities will be adequate in the new offense.
My first look at him last night. SOLID pickup.

4) They are showcasing Hassell and Swift in the hopes of trading them.
Stro should be limited to ONLY post up offense. Hassell can't bring us back anything great.
I don't mind having these guys for depth, but I have a hard time believing that they could bring back a starting SF or a quality Center.

5) Devin still struggling to learn the offense.
Devin w/o carter worries me


6) TOs have been high and assists have been abismally low. I expected more assists out of this offense.
too soon to have the guys settle in

7) I think the best lineup will include Harris, Carter, Yi and Lopez. Maybe Simmons or Najera at SF. Yi and Lopez both bring distinctively different skill sets at the 4 and 5 and will fit together nicely.
yup
8) Players that can put the ball on the floor without dribbling off their foot or getting stripped will have success in this offense. Simmons may struggle. Boone, Williams and Swift are best suited at center.
yup
9) Sean looks lost. Amazing timing to block shots and horrible timing to grab rebounds. Waits for the ball to come to him instead of going after it.

10) I like CDR off the bench. No need to start him. We need a good SG off the bench.

Other views?

yup

 

[fefe]

I think Najera is an undersized PF, I don't think he has the speed and lateral movement required to guard a swingman for 30 minutes a nice.

I think our best lineup will be Harris-Dooling/CDR-Carter-Yi-Lopez/Boone.

-Petey

I think we will need Najera at PF.
he might be capable of playing SF, but he will have to play a lot at PF.

Yes we have a bunch of bigs, but this offense requires the PF to shoot the midrange or even longrange shot, and also be able to drive with the ball.
That is why we can not put Sean, Boone, Stro, and of course Brook at PF. These 4 guys will play only at C imo.

So basically at PF we have Yi, Najera and Anderson.

Simmons, Hayes, Hassell are real SFs... but actually i'm not sure if any of them is starting material.
I think it will turn out to be Hayes and Simmons playing about 20 minutes each, each of them starting some games, with CDR or Anderson moving to SF to fill out the 48 minutes. Hassell should not be in the regular rotation, and preferably on the inactive list.

At PF, I think only Yi and Najera should get regular minutes, with Anderson coming in case of foultrouble, and garbage time.

At C, Brook and Boone should fight for the starting spot, and the two together should get 40 minutes per game. Stro and Sean should play in case of foul trouble, and garbage minutes. (and one of them should be inactive)

At PG, Dooling as not a real playmaker. But unfortunately Devin isn't one either. They are pretty similar players actually, only Harris is lightning fast. These two guys can cover the PG position, but a third one is needed, if one of these 2 get injured.

At SG, VC all the way. 40mins per game preferably. CDR can get all the rest. I'm not really that high on Ager.

 

[Petey]

Frank wanted to let him get a rhythm. Didn't care if he fouled out because he has an abundance of bigs he needs to look at as well as small line-ups. I understand that. He won't be doing that during the last 2 or 3 preseason games.

In this offense you don't need a true point. As great a playmaker as Kidd was I would rather have Harris attacking the hoop than Kidd camping out behind the 3 point line. They scored 108 points against a very good defensive team in Boston (even with their big 3 sitting). Last night the big problem was TOs. 16 point differential in points off TOs. Kidd got more of his assists in transition than the half court and Devin is still pretty good at that. Defense was the big issue last night.

My concern with assists stems from the non-pgs. Need to see more swinging the ball. Harris was the only one with an assist in the starting unit. In 3 preseason games the Nets bigs have had a grand total of 4 assists (2 by Anderson in game 1 and 2 by Yi in game 2. None last night). Where are the infamous kick-outs for open jumpers?

I think part of why they scored so easily is... it's Pre-Season w/ the reigning DOPY sitting out.

-Petey

 

[Petey]

I think we will need Najera at PF.
he might be capable of playing SF, but he will have to play a lot at PF.

Yes we have a bunch of bigs, but this offense requires the PF to shoot the midrange or even longrange shot, and also be able to drive with the ball.
That is why we can not put Sean, Boone, Stro, and of course Brook at PF. These 4 guys will play only at C imo.

So basically at PF we have Yi, Najera and Anderson.

Simmons, Hayes, Hassell are real SFs... but actually i'm not sure if any of them is starting material.
I think it will turn out to be Hayes and Simmons playing about 20 minutes each, each of them starting some games, with CDR or Anderson moving to SF to fill out the 48 minutes. Hassell should not be in the regular rotation, and preferably on the inactive list.

At PF, I think only Yi and Najera should get regular minutes, with Anderson coming in case of foultrouble, and garbage time.

At C, Brook and Boone should fight for the starting spot, and the two together should get 40 minutes per game. Stro and Sean should play in case of foul trouble, and garbage minutes. (and one of them should be inactive)

At PG, Dooling as not a real playmaker. But unfortunately Devin isn't one either. They are pretty similar players actually, only Harris is lightning fast. These two guys can cover the PG position, but a third one is needed, if one of these 2 get injured.

At SG, VC all the way. 40mins per game preferably. CDR can get all the rest. I'm not really that high on Ager.

Unless the Nets are really in contention, Najera should not be 2nd in the depth charts. Those minutes have to go to Anderson.

And regarding the offense, if the Nets are in contention Frank can keep to his system. But if the Nets are 10 games out of the 8th seed by the 30th game, he has to get Sean, Brook and Boone minutes, if only to showcase them.

-Petey

 

[networks]

I do recall a quote from Frank saying that the Dribble Drive System is only going to be PART of the offense. Clearly to get the maximum from the personnel, the Dribble Drive CANT be the only system. There needs to be some more post plays featuring Lopez and maybe Yi. As much as I would like to avoid it, VC ISOs. Pick and Rolls/Pops.

There is too much versatile talent on the Nets to just say - X cant do this or needs to play Y because of this NEW system. IMO. Yeah the dribble Dirve system is cool, but A coach needs to work with his talent to maximize the production.

 

[fefe]

Unless the Nets are really in contention, Najera should not be 2nd in the depth charts. Those minutes have to go to Anderson.

And regarding the offense, if the Nets are in contention Frank can keep to his system. But if the Nets are 10 games out of the 8th seed by the 30th game, he has to get Sean, Brook and Boone minutes, if only to showcase them.

-Petey

just wait until you see Najera play and hustle for us, you will also want to see him on the floor.

There is too much versatile talent on the Nets to just say - X cant do this or needs to play Y because of this NEW system. IMO. Yeah the dribble Dirve system is cool, but A coach needs to work with his talent to maximize the production.

That's what i say too.
But no matter what kind of offense we play, if we want to go 10 deep the regular rotation should be our 10 best players, who are:
Devin/Dooling
VC/CDR
Simmons/Hayes
Yi/Najera
Brook/Boone

That is maximizing our production with our talent imo...

 

[Petey]

I do recall a quote from Frank saying that the Dribble Drive System is only going to be PART of the offense. Clearly to get the maximum from the personnel, the Dribble Drive CANT be the only system. There needs to be some more post plays featuring Lopez and maybe Yi. As much as I would like to avoid it, VC ISOs. Pick and Rolls/Pops.

There is too much versatile talent on the Nets to just say - X cant do this or needs to play Y because of this NEW system. IMO. Yeah the dribble Dirve system is cool, but A coach needs to work with his talent to maximize the production.

Not sure the Nets should run many post plays for Yi.

-Petey

 

[Petey]

just wait until you see Najera play and hustle for us, you will also want to see him on the floor.

If the team is not going anywhere, they need to develop talent. I think the 1st 30 games will show where the Nets have to go (direction wise).

-Petey

 

[fefe]

If the team is not going anywhere, they need to develop talent. I think the 1st 30 games will show where the Nets have to go (direction wise).

-Petey

I agree.
I just think, that no matter the direction, Najera has to play, to show the young guys the right mentality.

If it looks like we can go to the playoffs, Anderson should not get more that 8 mins per game..
if we give up on the playoffs he can get upto 18 per game.
But in each case Najera should be ahead of him imo.

 

[networks]

just wait until you see Najera play and hustle for us, you will also want to see him on the floor.


That's what i say too.
But no matter what kind of offense we play, if we want to go 10 deep the regular rotation should be our 10 best players, who are:
Devin/Dooling
VC/CDR
Simmons/Hayes
Yi/Najera
Brook/Boone

That is maximizing our production with our talent imo...

I wont even put a S. Will plug here, but I think you underestimate Anderson. I think he is going to be better then Simmons, Hayes, and Najera.

I agree with you Najera is an energy guy that will hustle but IMO if we depend on him, we will lose in the long term.

 

[networks]

Not sure the Nets should run many post plays for Yi.

-Petey

I think there are situations you can post up Yi.

Lets say you put a lineup of Yi, S.Will, and Lopez. If Yi on offense is playing the 3, the majority of times the SF guarding him would be smaller. I say post Yi up in that situation. Yi needs to develop some strength but I think by posting him up it is a different look for the defense to adjust to.

 

[fefe]

I wont even put a S. Will plug here, but I think you underestimate Anderson. I think he is going to be better then Simmons, Hayes, and Najera.

I agree with you Najera is an energy guy that will hustle but IMO if we depend on him, we will lose in the long term.

Well, I think you underestimate Najera, Simmons and Hayes

but opinions can differ

 

[Netted]

If the team is not going anywhere, they need to develop talent. I think the 1st 30 games will show where the Nets have to go (direction wise).

-Petey

Then why sign Najera at all? He's here to lead these young guys by example and keeping him glued to the bench defeats that purpose. There will still be room for some of the young guys, but you can't play them at 100% Najera's expense.

 

[kobimel]

I think there are situations you can post up Yi.

Lets say you put a lineup of Yi, S.Will, and Lopez. If Yi on offense is playing the 3, the majority of times the SF guarding him would be smaller. I say post Yi up in that situation. Yi needs to develop some strength but I think by posting him up it is a different look for the defense to adjust to.

He's hasn't shown any skills with his back to the basket, though. I agree with Petey, I don't think Frank will post him up much

 

[Dumpy]

I wont even put a S. Will plug here, but I think you underestimate Anderson. I think he is going to be better then Simmons, Hayes, and Najera.

I agree with you Najera is an energy guy that will hustle but IMO if we depend on him, we will lose in the long term.

Ryan is awesome. As a rookie, he will be at least as good as Boki was last season. His upside is KVH. Of course he'll have bad shooting days and maybe his defense will be mediocre, but how is that different from Boki, who was the first guy off the bench last year?

 

[danxcr]

as far at what i saw from watching the game.... simmons, hassel, and swat... can not run the dribble drive offense... and our defense in the game was pretty sad... we were gettin lost and guys were gettin open with no problem... and making their open shots.

Yi's fouls were weak, that 1 charging vs powe... in the first quarter was a bad call... the other one where he tried to get out of the way was stupid....

Lopez is working hard to get position... and u can tell he needs to get stronger...

VC is simply amazing

Devin looks lost... like hes hesistant...

CDR i love... hes a gamer... and i love him

 

[fefe]

Ryan is awesome. As a rookie, he will be at least as good as Boki was last season. His upside is KVH. Of course he'll have bad shooting days and maybe his defense will be mediocre, but how is that different from Boki, who was the first guy off the bench last year?

Yes, Ryan is awesome, and pretty much like Boki.
The difference is having Najera! trust me, if we had Eduardo last season, Boki would not have been the first guy off the bench.
Najera can hit outside shots too, but he has great defense and hustle. Frank will not disregard that, and he shouldn't...

 

[SportsTicker]

I agree with Netted's assessment and would add that refs are in preseason as well and so don't give much importance to Yi's fouls.

The game Sunday should show us a lot: Yi, Lopez and Williams will have to play big minutes upfront. With Anderson, Boone, Swift and Najera all out, who's left? Same to a certain extent in the backcourt: Carter won't play, Hayes is still out. CDR and Ager should get minutes. Note that when Hassell plays, Ager doesn't get a lot of minutes and vice versa. Sunday is Ager's chance to shine. CDR will be up against Pierce. That should be fun...not.

I am not going to dismiss Ager yet. I havent been impressed with Hassell. Ager can play some defense and shoot. His one game so far, he shot 4 for 5, including a three.

I agree with the idea of CDR playing some point. He played in high school, played a little in college and Frank has used him more in that big point guard position more than Hodge. Hodge's last chance is Sunday. Based on what I've seen, I don't see him making the team.

 

[Claud]

I know I'm going to get crap for this, but I'm kinda happy that Swift went down.
More time for our rooks is what we need.

 

[danxcr]

I know I'm going to get crap for this, but I'm kinda happy that Swift went down.
More time for our rooks is what we need.

dude its harder to trade him if hes hurt!!!! cmon claud... THINK

 

[Claud]

dude its harder to trade him if hes hurt!!!! cmon claud... THINK

The way I see it is noone will want to trade for him so he will be on the team, therefor taking someone's minutes

 

[BrooklynBound]

We have to make a trade at some point, right? We have too many players on our team that won't get minutes but can provide value to other rotations.

 

[danxcr]

we might trade players for cash ^^ like kyle korver