Game Thread PRESEASON GAME # 4: BLAZERS @ CLIPPERS - OCTOBER 13, 2016 - THURSDAY, 7:30 PM (PDT), TNT

[THE HCP]

CP3 is overrated. Been in league we'll over 10 years and won what, 3 playoff series? 4 maybe? Dame has won 2 in 4 years.

But is that a real way to judge a players value? I've never been one to say because they have rings they are better than those who don't (See: Barkley,Stockton,Malone)

Shit, Adam Morrison won 5 times as many playoff series than BRoy! What does that mean.....nothing.

And you actually got a few chumps to LIKE this post?

 

[THE HCP]

Not just talking about head-to-head (which favors Paul) or crunch-time (which favors Lillard), but overall. Paul is a better distributor, defender, ball-handler, and shoots a better percentage. Even last year, in Dame's best season, with Paul on the decline, the advanced stats were so clearly in Paul's favor it's not even funny.

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We got some on here blinded by dat Pinwheel allegiance!

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Lillard is already better than Cliff Paul, it will only be a matter of time until he's better than Chris Paul.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Lillard is already better than Cliff Paul, it will only be a matter of time until he's better than Chris Paul.

But Darius Lillard isn't better than any of them (I've seen his sales numbers; he's completely feast or famine).

 

[THE HCP]

If we're talking about who's better right now. If you were picking a team, who would you choose to be your point guard. I take Dame and the decision is easy.

Tough call. Dame can take over a game offensively. I think Paul can take over a game defensively and setting up other players for easy buckets. BOTH very important attributes out on the court. Don't know why some on here just can't show a player their deserved respect just because they play on a team they hate.

 

[Boob-No-More]

But is that a real way to judge a players value? I've never been one to say because they have rings they are better than those who don't (See: Barkley,Stockton,Malone)

Shit, Adam Morrison won 5 times as many playoff series than BRoy! What does that mean.....nothing.

Technically, not true. It is true Morrison won a ring with the Lakers in 2009-10, but he only played in the first series against OKC (2 games, 13 total minutes). He was on the inactive list for round 2, the WCF and the finals.

Also, not mathematically true 5 x 0 = 0.

Regardless, that's not the point. Morrison wasn't the best player on his team. He was not expected to lead his team anywhere.

When you constantly fall short, the way the Clippers have, you tart to wonder if your best player simply does not have what it takes to lead the team to victory the big games. That's where CP3 falls short and the criticism of him not being as clutch as Lillard are valid. Lillard has accomplished as much in the post season, in a much shorter span of time, with a weaker supporting cast

I posted it in the Blake Griffin trade rumor thread, but think it bears repeating here:

During the LAC series, Reggie Miller kept going on and on about how CP3 is the best leader in the league. Well, he's been paired with Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan for five seasons and has not been able to lead them past the 2nd round a single time.

Over those five seasons, the Clippers have the third highest cumulative regular season winning percentage in the Western Conference, but not a single Conference Finals appearance to show for it. Every other team in the top six has made at least one trip to the Conference Finals. Best leader in the entire league? Certainly not when it matters the most.

BNM

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Tough call. Dame can take over a game offensively. I think Paul can take over a game defensively and setting up other players for easy buckets. BOTH very important attributes out on the court. Don't know why some on here just can't show a player their deserved respect just because they play on a team they hate.

Respect is earned, not given. CP3 hasn't earned my respect. He won't until he's either a Blazer or he retires.

 

[e_blazer]

Tough call. Dame can take over a game offensively. I think Paul can take over a game defensively and setting up other players for easy buckets. BOTH very important attributes out on the court. Don't know why some on here just can't show a player their deserved respect just because they play on a team they hate.

I agree with this, but it's only relevant for this season. Chris Paul's still an amazing PG, but his best days are behind him. Dame's just coming into the peak of his career. I don't know if his peak will be quite as high as Paul's has been, but it's going to be much higher than anything Paul has left in his game.

 

[Nhawz]

I agree with this, but it's only relevant for this season. Chris Paul's still an amazing PG, but his best days are behind him. Dame's just coming into the peak of his career. I don't know if his peak will be quite as high as Paul's has been, but it's going to be much higher than anything Paul has left in his game.

So as of right now, does that make Dame the better player?

 

[illmatic99]

Where is this notion that CP isn't a good leader coming from?

 

[THE HCP]

Technically, not true. It is true Morrison won a ring with the Lakers in 2009-10, but he only played in the first series against OKC (2 games, 13 total minutes). He was on the inactive list for round 2, the WCF and the finals.

Also, not mathematically true 5 x 0 = 0.

Regardless, that's not the point. Morrison wasn't the best player on his team. He was not expected to lead his team anywhere.

When you constantly fall short, the way the Clippers have, you tart to wonder if your best player simply does not have what it takes to lead the team to victory the big games. That's where CP3 falls short and the criticism of him not being as clutch as Lillard are valid. Lillard has accomplished as much in the post season, in a much shorter span of time, with a weaker supporting cast

I posted it in the Blake Griffin trade rumor thread, but think it bears repeating here:

During the LAC series, Reggie Miller kept going on and on about how CP3 is the best leader in the league. Well, he's been paired with Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan for five seasons and has not been able to lead them past the 2nd round a single time.

Over those five seasons, the Clippers have the third highest cumulative regular season winning percentage in the Western Conference, but not a single Conference Finals appearance to show for it. Every other team in the top six has made at least one trip to the Conference Finals. Best leader in the entire league? Certainly not when it matters the most.

BNM

You can't debunk my post with solid hard facts! I won't allow it!

 

[e_blazer]

So as of right now, does that make Dame the better player?

Maybe it's a bit of a cop-out, but as of right now I'd say that they're pretty equal. Paul is a much better defender, while I'd give Dame the edge offensively.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Maybe it's a bit of a cop-out, but as of right now I'd say that they're pretty equal. Paul is a much better defender, while I'd give Dame the edge offensively.

Why? Dame shoots more often, but Paul shoots a better percentage, shoots similarly from 3, is a better ball-handler, and a better distributor. What exactly does Dame do better on the offensive end?

 

[e_blazer]

Why? Dame shoots more often, but Paul shoots a better percentage, shoots similarly from 3, is a better ball-handler, and a better distributor. What exactly does Dame do better on the offensive end?

This:


You're a number-cruncher, Platy. I'm a seat-of-the-pants fan. Paul may shoot a better percentage, but I'd venture that's exactly because he's not called upon to carry as much of the scoring load as Dame. Paul is able to limit his shots primarily to open looks, while Dame is usually double teamed. I expect to see Dame's percentages rise this year as he's able to play off the ball more. But, as demonstrated in the clip above, when the game is on the line and you need a shot from deep, Dame's my pick to take the shot.

 

[illmatic99]

Clips are in the same boat as UTA with all their free agents. This truly is a make or break season for that team.

CP, JJ, Blake are all unrestricted free agents at the end of the season, and if they still can't get past the second round, that team is primed to break apart. Hell, if they're middling in the west by the deadline, I'd expect them to start making moves.

We have no FA money obviously, but keep a serious eye on Blake and his history with Neil.

 

[Boob-No-More]

We have no FA money obviously, but keep a serious eye on Blake and his history with Neil.

They worked together and he never punched him. So, there's that.

BNM

 

[H.C.]

During the LAC series, Reggie Miller kept going on and on about how CP3 is the best leader in the league. Well, he's been paired with Blake Griffin and DeAndre Jordan for five seasons and has not been able to lead them past the 2nd round a single time.

Over those five seasons, the Clippers have the third highest cumulative regular season winning percentage in the Western Conference, but not a single Conference Finals appearance to show for it. Every other team in the top six has made at least one trip to the Conference Finals. Best leader in the entire league? Certainly not when it matters the most.

BNM

Reggie is whack.
Best leader in the league over CP3's time in the NBA has been Duncan.
I like CP3, I think he's a fiery competitor and would punch his own mother to win a game.
But he's not even top 10 leaders in the NBA and it's not close.
I personally think you put John Wall on the Clippers and they are far and away better than they are with CP3.

 

[Chris Craig]

Why? Dame shoots more often, but Paul shoots a better percentage, shoots similarly from 3, is a better ball-handler, and a better distributor. What exactly does Dame do better on the offensive end?

Has Paul hit a 0.9 second game winner? No, well then he can fuck off

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Has Paul hit a 0.9 second game winner? No, well then he can fuck off

Has Dame started an all-star game? Been 1st-team all NBA? Led the league in assists?

Let's not be silly.

 

[THE HCP]

Has Dame started an all-star game? Been 1st-team all NBA? Led the league in assists?

Let's not be silly.

Some facts you are throwing around today bro!

 

[Boob-No-More]

Has Paul hit a 0.9 second game winner? No, well then he can fuck off

Is a 1.0 second Game 7 series winner close enough?



Not a big CP3 fan. Love the talent, hate the nonstop bitching and dirty play. Just trying to be objective.

BNM

 

[Chris Craig]

Is a 1.0 second Game 7 series winner close enough?



Not a big CP3 fan. Love the talent, hate the nonstop bitching and dirty play. Just trying to be objective.

BNM

Nope, not good enough. Dame hit an 0.9 which means he' s better

 

[Chris Craig]

Has Dame started an all-star game? Been 1st-team all NBA? Led the league in assists?

Let's not be silly.

No, cause of bias. He should have the first two under his belt already. It seems like when it comes time to select all stars and the end of season awards, the Blazers get the shaft.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

No, cause of bias. He should have the first two under his belt already. It seems like when it comes time to select all stars and the end of season awards, the Blazers get the shaft.

Really, because of bias. Tell me which all star game Dame should have started, and which year he should have been all NBA first team?

I'm listening.

 

[THE HCP]

Always blows me away we could of had CP3 OR Derron Williams, but we took Martell!

 

[e_blazer]

Always blows me away we could of had CP3 OR Derron Williams, but we took Martell!

But, Martell had an NBA-ready body!

 

[e_blazer]

Really, because of bias. Tell me which all star game Dame should have started, and which year he should have been all NBA first team?

I'm listening.

2016-17.

 

[Chris Craig]

2016-17.

Took the words right outta my mouth

 

[illmatic99]

But, Martell had an NBA-ready body!

It's just a crazy cycle.

In 05, Martell had an amazing predraft workout, so much so that even PA was impressed, and we took him.

In 07, fresh of the failure that was the Martell pick, we gave no credence to KD's amazing workout and drafted Oden instead.

Finally in '12 with a shot at redemption, we went back to that well and picked Dame after his "KD-esque" workout, and sure enough.... it worked out.

 

[blue9]

Nope, not good enough. Dame hit an 0.9 which means he' s better

Then Derek Fisher must be the best to ever play the game!