President Obama Cracks Joke About Devastating Texas Wildfires

[Denny Crane]

This is good, too:

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/27/obama-poll-democrats-2012/

 

[julius]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-09-27-12-37-01

And look who's knocking at the door!

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-obama-paul-poll-20110927,0,5007276.story?track=rss

like I said, good thing the election isn't next week.

btw, as much as I'm disappointed in how Obama is, I almost can't wait for whoever the Republicans put out against him. Then we'll get all the stupid decisions, lies, hypocrisies, inconsistencies and "poor leading" skills that you guys will gloss over with positive links. And I really look forward to when you guys start denying that you're doing that, or try to spin that you're undecided.

 

[Denny Crane]

like I said, good thing the election isn't next week.

btw, as much as I'm disappointed in how Obama is, I almost can't wait for whoever the Republicans put out against him. Then we'll get all the stupid decisions, lies, hypocrisies, inconsistencies and "poor leading" skills that you guys will gloss over with positive links. And I really look forward to when you guys start denying that you're doing that, or try to spin that you're undecided.

I don't care who the republicans run, unless it's Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

I won't be voting for any other republican, nor rooting for any of them. If those two aren't the nominee, I'll vote Libertarian or write in Johnson.

What I am rooting for is this loser of a philosophy to die, and the rise of Libertarian thought in government.

Ron Paul within a few points of the incumbent president in the polls IS progress of the highest order.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

An insensitive, uncaring asshole. That was way over the top.

Wait, wait. I just want to make this clear. You are a guy who makes jokes about pedophiles and pedophilia, but this is way over the top for you?

 

[julius]

I don't care who the republicans run, unless it's Ron Paul or Gary Johnson.

I won't be voting for any other republican, nor rooting for any of them. If those two aren't the nominee, I'll vote Libertarian or write in Johnson.

What I am rooting for is this loser of a philosophy to die, and the rise of Libertarian thought in government.

Just out of curiosity, because I don't actually know, is there any examples of a Libertarian government in the world?

Ron Paul within a few points of the incumbent president in the polls IS progress of the highest order.

I don't think it's a big deal. Depends on the quality of the poll, and the audience it's geared towards. And the exposure that people have of Ron Paul. I think that's a big issue for things. It might be that the more he talks, the worse he sounds.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Wait, wait. I just want to make this clear. You are a guy who makes jokes about pedophiles and pedophilia, but this is way over the top for you?

oops thought this was directed at me...on my phone

X

 

[MARIS61]

Accurate, topically current, got a good reaction from the crowd, and highlighted a key reason Perry is unqualified to lead anyone in any capacity. A winner by any measure of political humor.

As for offending the great people of Texas, they have only theirselves to blame for electing and re-electing yet another babbling idiot for governor. They killed Kennedy, they gave us 2 criminally anti-American Presidents, they brought us wars for oil in Vietnam and Iraq (twice) and they were a huge factor in destroying our economy. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Denny Crane]

Just out of curiosity, because I don't actually know, is there any examples of a Libertarian government in the world?

The US government in 1789.

Today, Switzerland is pretty close.

I don't think it's a big deal. Depends on the quality of the poll, and the audience it's geared towards. And the exposure that people have of Ron Paul. I think that's a big issue for things. It might be that the more he talks, the worse he sounds.

It's a CNN poll, no? They're supposed to be a responsible news organization.

It is a big deal because before progressives reminded people how bad their policies are for everyone, a Libertarian might have done 2 or 3% in this kind of poll

 

[julius]

The US government in 1789.

Today, Switzerland is pretty close.

isn't Switzerland the size of Vermont? Seems more like a small sample size then a good example, but an example none the less.

It's a CNN poll, no? They're supposed to be a responsible news organization.

It is a big deal because before progressives reminded people how bad their policies are for everyone, a Libertarian might have done 2 or 3% in this kind of poll

I don't consider polls from CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc, as being from responsible news organizations.

 

[BrianFromWA]

As for offending the great people of Texas, they have only theirselves to blame for electing and re-electing yet another babbling idiot for governor.

Because only Smokey Bear and Rick Perry can prevent forest fires.

They killed Kennedy,

Damn, I thought that that was a communist who "...expressed his hatred for American society and acted in protest against it. Oswald's search for what he conceived to be the perfect society was doomed from the start. He sought for himself a place in history — a role as the "great man" who would be recognized as having been in advance of his times. His commitment to Marxism and communism appears to have been another important factor in his motivation" http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/warren-commission-report/chapter-7.html#conclusions

they gave us 2 criminally anti-American Presidents, they brought us wars for oil in Vietnam and Iraq (twice) and they were a huge factor in destroying our economy. Fuck 'em if they can't take a joke.

Oil in Vietnam? How far do your tin-foil theories stretch?

 

[MARIS61]

The US government in 1789.

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Denny Crane]

isn't Switzerland the size of Vermont? Seems more like a small sample size then a good example, but an example none the less.



I don't consider polls from CNN, MSNBC, FOX etc, as being from responsible news organizations.

Switzerland is a very free country. They were safe from even the Nazis. They don't have troops stationed all over the world. Their highest tax rate is 30% (that's combined state/federal/municipal). They have something close to a direct democracy. Strong civil liberties. Economic freedoms (free trade, few regulations). Their unemployment rate is 2.8%. They run govt. budget surpluses, rarely deficits.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Get an imagination then.

 

[MARIS61]

Get an imagination then.

When it comes to US history, I'm more interested in true fact than making shit up.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Switzerland is a very free country. They were safe from even the Nazis. They don't have troops stationed all over the world. Their highest tax rate is 30% (that's combined state/federal/municipal). They have something close to a direct democracy. Strong civil liberties. Economic freedoms (free trade, few regulations). Their unemployment rate is 2.8%. They run govt. budget surpluses, rarely deficits.

Vatican City?

 

[mook]

The US government in 1789.

Today, Switzerland is pretty close.

Man, if I've ever needed another argument for how laughable libertarianism is when applied to the real world, you just made it.

"Let's run a 300 million person, 3.7m sq mile country the way a 7 million person, 15k sq mile country does it. It must be scalable! Heck, we did it 222 years ago, so we can do it again!"

Wait a minute. Switzerland has a universal mandate for health insurance. Hmm. Are you so sure it's a libertarian state?

 

[julius]

Switzerland is a very free country. They were safe from even the Nazis. They don't have troops stationed all over the world.

I'm not sure that you can really say they were "safe" from the nazi's as much as they struck a deal with them, were lucky, and there were bigger fish to fry. Also, there's a big reason why they don't have troops stationed all over the world. And not just because you say they're libertarian.

Their population is under 8 million. It's not like they really can invade other countries, or send their troops anywhere in large #'s. It's much easier for a single country of under 8 million to have a unique or different structured government. I don't think you can compare a country of 300+ million with one of 8 million.

Their highest tax rate is 30% (that's combined state/federal/municipal). They have something close to a direct democracy. Strong civil liberties. Economic freedoms (free trade, few regulations). Their unemployment rate is 2.8%. They run govt. budget surpluses, rarely deficits.

I'm sure if we were in a similar boat as Switzerland (we're over 250X bigger) I think the comparisons might be valid.

 

[MARIS61]

Oil in Vietnam? How far do your tin-foil theories stretch?

How can you serve in the military and not know the primary reason why America's most infamous and most unpopular war was waged?

At the time it was waged, it was referred to by most anti-war protesters as The Standard Oil War.

And yeah, they've got a shitload of oil.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=vietna...tnam+war+standard+oil&qs=n&sk=&form=QBRE&qb=1

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2005/02feb/vietnam.cfm

 

[julius]

Man, if I've ever needed another argument for how laughable libertarianism is when applied to the real world, you just made it.

"Let's run a 300 million person, 3.7m sq mile country the way a 7 million person, 15k sq mile country does it. It must be scalable! Heck, we did it 222 years ago, so we can do it again!"

Wait a minute. Switzerland has a universal mandate for health insurance. Hmm. Are you so sure it's a libertarian state?

and that folks, is why mook is a better poster than I. He posted what I wanted to say in as little as 7 sentences instead of doing it in a small novel like I did.

 

[Denny Crane]

When it comes to US history, I'm more interested in true fact than making shit up.

I take it you took history in Public School.

LOL

Read the Declaration of Independence some time. It's the quintessential Libertarian document. Regardless of whether it truly applied to all - it SHOULD.

 

[BrianFromWA]

How can you serve in the military and not know the primary reason why America's most infamous and most unpopular war was waged?

At the time it was waged, it was referred to by most anti-war protesters as The Standard Oil War.

And yeah, they've got a shitload of oil.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=vietna...tnam+war+standard+oil&qs=n&sk=&form=QBRE&qb=1

http://www.aapg.org/explorer/2005/02feb/vietnam.cfm

I do, it's because the "advisors" we sent in to shore up the South from getting overrun by the communist-backed forces of the North kept getting attacked. Your hero JFK didn't think it was about oil.
And I've never believed that the Jane Fonda wannabes have some magical insight just b/c they didn't want to be drafted.

 

[Denny Crane]

Man, if I've ever needed another argument for how laughable libertarianism is when applied to the real world, you just made it.

"Let's run a 300 million person, 3.7m sq mile country the way a 7 million person, 15k sq mile country does it. It must be scalable! Heck, we did it 222 years ago, so we can do it again!"

Wait a minute. Switzerland has a universal mandate for health insurance. Hmm. Are you so sure it's a libertarian state?

How about we run 50 states, each the way Switzerland is run. We have many states with less than 7M people. That's how the country was designed to be run.

Australia is considered one of the more libertarian nations. If square milage is what floats your boat.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I take it you took history in Public School.

LOL

Read the Declaration of Independence some time. It's the quintessential Libertarian document. Regardless of whether it truly applied to all - it SHOULD.

Whoa....I took plenty of history in public school, and Maris' views don't match with mine (or mine with his, is fair to say)

 

[Denny Crane]

Whoa....I took plenty of history in public school, and Maris' views don't match with mine (or mine with his, is fair to say)

But your public school wasn't on Mars.

 

[julius]

How about we run 50 states, each the way Switzerland is run. We have many states with less than 7M people. That's how the country was designed to be run.

Australia is considered one of the more libertarian nations. If square milage is what floats your boat.

20 million.

not even a 10th of our population base.

 

[MARIS61]

Whoa....I took plenty of history in public school, and Maris' views don't match with mine (or mine with his, is fair to say)

Probably because I spent a lot of time in public libraries after school for a wider variety of thoughts and viewpoints, written at different times in history.

And because we attended school decades apart. I was taught a different curriculum than you were, and views have changed too.

What is taught today about most things in history would not match up well when compared to the front page news when they happened. Nor would they match up well with will be taught decades from now.

The viewpoints of participants may vary also.

A Marine in Vietnam and an Standard Oil executive in Vietnam saw the war through different eyes for sure.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Sounds terrible what is happening in Texas . . . worst fire in state history, sad sad news.

Obama should not be using this loss as a political tool to take a shot at another canidate or party. I know it's Texas and all . . . but still got to show some respect in this situation. He puts himself out there as sophisticated and classy, this was anything but that.

How many/any deaths over this?

 

[MARIS61]

How about we run 50 states, each the way Switzerland is run.

Seems awfully redundant.

And boring.

Why not combine the states into one big state?

 

[barfo]

How about we run 50 states, each the way Switzerland is run.

Or you could move to Switzerland, Denny. Wouldn't that be a lot simpler?

barfo