Politics President Obama: Don't Condemn our Children to a Planet Beyond Repair

[magnifier661]

He generates enough electricity that he doesn't have to pay the electric company for power used at night. It runs his pool, 2 refrigerators, and 3 HVAC units. Plus his appliances, etc.

You are lying about how much he uses and pays for.

Each A/C unit at minimum are 25 amp x 220 volts. They are 1,100 watts using the amp/volt conversions. If they run for just 1 hour a day, they generate at least 1,100 kWH per day each. 1 3HP pump is a 35amp x 120 volts, which is 4.5 kWh. An energy saver fridge is 15 amps x 120 volts, so they generate 600 watts per hour. 24 hours a day, those fridges produce 130 kwh.

Your math of $200 per month is off because that would only be 909 kWH a month. The items alone would require at least 10 times that

 

[riverman]

Capitalism fails when you build a widget for $2 and sell it for $1. Like solar panels. So make more of them!

No rain for a few years did it during the Great Depression

 

[Denny Crane]

You are lying about how much he uses and pays for.

Each A/C unit at minimum are 25 amp x 220 volts. They are 1,100 watts using the amp/volt conversions. If they run for just 1 hour a day, they generate at least 1,100 kWH per day each. 1 3HP pump is a 35amp x 120 volts, which is 4.5 kWh. An energy saver fridge is 15 amps x 120 volts, so they generate 600 watts per hour. 24 hours a day, those fridges produce 130 kwh.

Your math of $200 per month is off because that would only be 909 kWH a month. The items alone would require at least 10 times that

No, Mags, I'm not lying.

The numbers speak for themselves. Your "figuring" doesn't account for anything beyond the cost of the panels. They don't magically appear on someone's roof, for starters.

His neighbor leases solar panels from Solar City and his monthly cost for the solar is $100 and his electric bill on top of that is a tad over $100.

 

[Denny Crane]

@dviss1 since you like forbes so much:

http://www.forbes.com/sites/william...arge-declines-as-subsidy-reforms-take-effect/

A controversial surcharge added to German consumers’ electricity bills has fallen for the first time in 14 years.

The “EEG Surcharge” was originally added to electricity bills in 2000 to support subsidies provided to developers of renewable energy as part of Germany’s so-called Energy Transition or the Energiewende.

Under this sweeping energy program, Germany has invested more in renewable power generation than any other European country. In 2012, renewable energy generated 22% of Germany’s electric power supply. On the current trajectory, Germany will exceed its 35% renewable power target by 2020.

Achieving this transformation has not been cheap.

...

Over the past five years, it has exploded in size and made power bills in Germany the second-highest in the European Union. After a nearly 50% increase in the EEG surcharge between 2012 and 2013, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s government has scrambled to stabilize the costs of expanding wind, solar and biomass. In August, key reforms were passed in an effort to contain the cost of subsidies.

 

[magnifier661]

No, Mags, I'm not lying.

The numbers speak for themselves. Your "figuring" doesn't account for anything beyond the cost of the panels. They don't magically appear on someone's roof, for starters.

His neighbor leases solar panels from Solar City and his monthly cost for the solar is $100 and his electric bill on top of that is a tad over $100.

Leasing panels is stupid if you have the cash to pay for them.

 

[Denny Crane]

Leasing panels is stupid if you have the cash to pay for them.

Not everyone makes $250K+ a year. Sheesh.

 

[magnifier661]

My costs of $3.20 per watt includes the entire system cost with installation

 

[magnifier661]

Not everyone makes $250K+ a year. Sheesh.

You can still finance the system

 

[BlazerWookee]

<facepalm>

 

[BlazerWookee]

It's only serious if you're a picked on abused white male.

Seriously?

 

[Denny Crane]

You can still finance the system

The interest expense only makes the system that much less viable.

 

[riverman]

Not everyone makes $250K+ a year. Sheesh.

Not everyone has property in full sunlight. I live in Oregon. The solar field provided by the county is in the valley where the exposure is better. Our county building are solar powered and our small local community has a successful solar program. I don't know anyone heating a swimming pool with it though

 

[magnifier661]

Okay, so now I am at my computer, so I can give you a true breakdown. If your friend pays $200 per month average, and this is the rate per kWH http://regarchive.sdge.com/tm2/pdf/ELEC_ELEC-SCHEDS_DR.pdf, which is still the average of .22 per kWH, he would be buying 909 kWH per month, or 10,908 kWH per year.

You said he has 3 AC. A 2.5 ton system consumes 25 amps @ 220 volts average, which equates to 5.5 kWH of electrical usage. So those 3 systems generate 16.5 kw per Hour or kWH. If he runs his A/C for 4 hours a day, that's 66 kWH per day x 93 days (average days of requiring the A/C) = 6,138 kWH per year

You also said that he has 3 fridges. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and assumed he got the most efficient fridges. https://www.energystar.gov/most-efficient/me-certified-refrigerators The most efficient one consumes 314 kWH per year x 3 = 942 kWH per year

A 5 hP pool pump consumes 2,841 kWh. A normal system needs to run for at least 4 hours a day. That's 11.2 kWH per day for just that pump. That's an annual 4088 kWH per year.

Appliances such as TVs, stereos, lights, etc accumulate a large amount of usage. 1 15 watt lightbulb that is on for 8 hours, generates 120 watts per hour. If you leave 10 lights on average in your house, you can consume 1.2 kWH per day x 365 days = 438 kWH per year

A T.V. uses 54 kWH per year. How many T.Vs does he have?

As you see, your numbers don't add up. Just the Fridge, Pool Pump, ACs, and lights add up to 11,606 per year, and the $200 per month is only 10,908 per year.

 

[magnifier661]

The interest expense only makes the system that much less viable.

It can be put on your home mortgage, which is a tax write off

 

[magnifier661]

Not everyone has property in full sunlight. I live in Oregon. The solar field provided by the county is in the valley where the exposure is better. Our county building are solar powered and our small local community has a successful solar program. I don't know anyone heating a swimming pool with it though

I did research and the cost per watt in Northern America is almost 2.5 times the cost as it is in SoCal. That is mainly based on direct sunlight

 

[Denny Crane]

Not everyone has property in full sunlight. I live in Oregon. The solar field provided by the county is in the valley where the exposure is better. Our county building are solar powered and our small local community has a successful solar program. I don't know anyone heating a swimming pool with it though

It must generate lots of power at night.

 

[Denny Crane]

It can be put on your home mortgage, which is a tax write off

At a 50% tax bracket, you still have to earn and spend 50% of the interest. The write off is only a discount, it doesn't pay the cost.

 

[riverman]

I did research and the cost per watt in Northern America is almost 2.5 times the cost as it is in SoCal. That is mainly based on direct sunlight

mags, 1200 bucks gives me a real break in my electric bill and covers the next 35 years. I don't know what the urban numbers are in Portland, but here it's well worth it. I rented a solar cabin in Hawaii for years in the rainforest and had ZERO electric bills but had to manage my use. It's cheaper to hook up to the county field than to purchase my own panels and install them which my neighbor had done for 5k.....your California prices seem ridiculously high. But it's not 120 degrees here either

 

[riverman]

It must generate lots of power at night.

It covers all our needs

 

[magnifier661]

At a 50% tax bracket, you still have to earn and spend 50% of the interest. The write off is only a discount, it doesn't pay the cost.

Very true, but that may tack on another year or two of the total costs. Now if you invest this as a business and sell back energy to Edison or any other power company (disclaimer: it must be a commercial zoned property), you can amortize the cost over 5 years, discounting another 50% of the cost in that time.

The buy back is only 2.2¢ per kWH, but it's still something

 

[magnifier661]

mags, 1200 bucks gives me a real break in my electric bill and covers the next 35 years. I don't know what the urban numbers are in Portland, but here it's well worth it. I rented a solar cabin in Hawaii for years in the rainforest and had ZERO electric bills but had to manage my use. It's cheaper to hook up to the county field than to purchase my own panels and install them which my neighbor had done for 5k.....your California prices seem ridiculously high. But it's not 120 degrees here either

Not saying it isn't profitable, just not as profitable.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Seriously?

Have you not been reading the forum? White males have it rough.

 

[Denny Crane]

Have you not been reading the forum? White males have it rough.

The asian white males.

 

[magnifier661]

The asian white males.

 

[riverman]

It's spelled lacists...you should know this mags

 

[rasheedfan2005]

what is great about the whole we are killing the planet theory is that people like to focus on small families and personal vehicles when 16 of the worlds largest ships pollute more than all the cars in the world combine http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1229857/How-16-ships-create-pollution-cars-world.html oh and let's sell carbon credits to individuals while companies that produce millions of times more carbon get away scott free.

solar is a good option for a single family to get out of monthly bills, that is if you've saved enough for the initial investment, or arent afraid to make your own system. it's not saving the planet however.