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They want to sell drugs for 4 grand a night.

Strange isn't it, I don't want to do this, so damned if I know what to do with a low life of this caliber. I suppose and island populated with like kind
where they compete to grow the food they eat seems about right. But then again, perhaps they are just the raw material with which to make Combine grease.
 
Strange isn't it, I don't want to do this, so damned if I know what to do with a low life of this caliber. I suppose and island populated with like kind
where they compete to grow the food they eat seems about right. But then again, perhaps they are just the raw material with which to make Combine grease.
It is the truth. Easy money and get over or get away with it is their culture. Meanwhile, having rich numbskulls chatting like it is a book made me feel like the way I do.
 
It is the truth. Easy money and get over or get away with it is their culture. Meanwhile, having rich numbskulls chatting like it is a book made me feel like the way I do.

Well, I don't know if they know what to do, but I am glad to see them speaking of what isn't working. I look on the up side, a good executive will find someone to fix a problem and move to the next when that doesn't work. Fix is not always the right word for what is needed for every problem.
Design and replace are hard to say when you have already said fix. We shall see, but I see nothing to bitch about yet.
 
I really don't know what our prison system is intended to provide.

Rehabilitation?
Holy hell, what a colossal failure.

Vengeance?
Read Jesus' take on that one.

Deterrence?
Prison time is designed as the deterrence for all manner of crimes?
This isn't even sensible.

Perhaps Design and replace is in order now. Fix seems a little shallow.
 
But see that's the insane thinking...

He's not supposed to be our leader. No president is.

They're supposed to be our Chief Representative. He's supposed to represent us and people are looking to him for leadership?

Wrong.

Congress is supposedly our representative.

The President is our leader.

No single person can represent 300,000,000 separate and conflicting views, but he can certainly lead 300,000,000 people in some common goals.
 
I have no problem with Trump going to prison and reforming it...maybe even learning a trade
 
Agreed on both counts.



So it is your contention that deportation of illegal immigrants will reduce recidivism rates amongst previously-incarcerated citizens?

Obviously it prevents it among illegal aliens.

But also by getting them back to the countries that bear responsibility for them in the first place, it increases the share of government funds focused on each ex-con's successful entry back into society.

Government is money, our tax-paid money, and illegal aliens weaken our government's effectiveness in every area by stealing funds meant for Real Americans.
 
Prison sentences should be based on accomplishment instead of time. Anyone can just sit there and let time pass, they should have to do certain things before they are released. This could include education, training, drug treatment, even reading books.

Building a wall...actually most, maybe all Federal correctional institutions have thriving prison industries with job training and actual paying jobs available to prisoners who simply behave while in prison.

I toured the (at the time) brand new Sheridan prison wile employed in purchasing and logistics with BLM. Most Federal office furniture is built by UNICOR, which operates a factory in the prison.
 
Q Mr. President, why did you backtrack on your stance on FISA?

THE PRESIDENT: Thank you very much everybody.

Q (Inaudible) immigration?

THE PRESIDENT: It better go well, otherwise the stock market will not be happy. (Laughter.)
The entire conversation oversimplified the issue. They have no clue because they are a rich isolated class. The released convicts don't want a chump change job for $9.66 an hour. They want to sell drugs for 4 grand a night.

How's that working for them so far? :dunno:
 
Racist California imprisoned 800,000 blacks and only 200,000 of all other races for marijuana smoking.

Now they are using supposed pot amnesty to disarm blacks statewide.

As they come forward to "ask for forgiveness" California is making a list and will be knocking on their doors to confiscate any guns they own, legal or otherwise.

Never have I witnessed such openly vile, government-sponsored racism as when I lived in Hollywood in 1977.

What a fucking shithole.
 
Not trying to make it personal, but because you said you own a business (as I do)... would you hire a felon, of any race or creed or nationality? It would be a deterrent to me in matters of equally qualified personnel. If it was someone who was better-qualified (more training or skills, perhaps) it may be a discriminator but not a death knell.

I hire felons.
 
I really don't know what our prison system is intended to provide.

Rehabilitation?
Holy hell, what a colossal failure.

Vengeance?
Read Jesus' take on that one.

Deterrence?
Prison time is designed as the deterrence for all manner of crimes?
This isn't even sensible.

Perhaps Design and replace is in order now. Fix seems a little shallow.

Facts. It's also very skewed racially too. Making laws that punish you for more time if your cocaine is hard instead of soft is institutionalized systemic racism.
 
Building a wall...actually most, maybe all Federal correctional institutions have thriving prison industries with job training and actual paying jobs available to prisoners who simply behave while in prison.

I toured the (at the time) brand new Sheridan prison wile employed in purchasing and logistics with BLM. Most Federal office furniture is built by UNICOR, which operates a factory in the prison.

Yeah but what happened to Mexico paying for it?

If we charge a tariff on Mexican goods then that means I'M paying for the wall when I drink my Pacifico? FUCK that...
 
Racist California imprisoned 800,000 blacks and only 200,000 of all other races for marijuana smoking.

Now they are using supposed pot amnesty to disarm blacks statewide.

As they come forward to "ask for forgiveness" California is making a list and will be knocking on their doors to confiscate any guns they own, legal or otherwise.

Never have I witnessed such openly vile, government-sponsored racism as when I lived in Hollywood in 1977.

What a fucking shithole.

So you're advocating for re-criminalization of MJ? Because literally every state that decriminalizes can say the same thing.

I guess Oregon is a shithole too. :dunno:
 
So you're advocating for re-criminalization of MJ? Because literally every state that decriminalizes can say the same thing.

I guess Oregon is a shithole too. :dunno:

Portland certainly is a shithole, which is why I left it 16 years ago.

I have many clients who flee here to keep their children from being eventual murder victims.

But no, I'm advocating that Congress DO WHAT THEY EXIST FOR, enact a law completely legalizing MJ for any use, and enact a law clarifying the Unconstitutionality and illegitimacy of any and all local, county and state laws having anything to do with infringing on The Second Amendment.

Both anti-Rights campaigns have long been used to discriminate against minorities by mostly Democratic Party Reps.
 
Basic issues of rights and freedoms should not be decided on a hodge-podge local political district's whim so that they vary and have a legality effect on you anytime you wish to travel to different states for business, pleasure, whatever your reason.

Absolutely UnConstitutional.
 
Portland certainly is a shithole, which is why I left it 16 years ago.

I have many clients who flee here to keep their children from being eventual murder victims.

Your clients children are more likely to die in a car wreck driving there than to be murdered if they stayed here.

barfo
 
Making laws that punish you for more time if your cocaine is hard instead of soft is institutionalized systemic racism.


If you say so, I don't know. But in my view, if your selling shit, lock the fucking door and lose the key comes to mind. But I suppose that island is a good answer too.
 
Building a wall...actually most, maybe all Federal correctional institutions have thriving prison industries with job training and actual paying jobs available to prisoners who simply behave while in prison.

I toured the (at the time) brand new Sheridan prison wile employed in purchasing and logistics with BLM. Most Federal office furniture is built by UNICOR, which operates a factory in the prison.
To be released, they should take the SAT exam. The one every high school junior fears. At least they would know how much a gram or an ounce really weighs.
 
Please read this.

I read it.

It seems to me that my questions about, what is the prison to accomplish is still the same.

In reading this, I find some assertions, not comforting.
Like a Crack Baby is about the same as one suffering from Fetal Alcohol Syndrome.
So I accept the assertion. Wonderful. So we don't want that shit sold, it matters not that the people have legalized alcohol.

Then I see some of the rational for the difference in sentencing for Crack sales vs Powder.
As it reads and I don't know that I get it right, but it seems to be done in part by how it effects people rather than the cold logic.
Thus we end up with the perhaps unintended consequences of inordinately affecting the minority poorer populations.
From this and this alone, I see no intent to trap the black, but they did.

Now from my perspective, I don't give a shit what sort of shit you are selling, especially to kids, you need to be gone! Race is not a factor.

But the reality is prison just doesn't fix the problem. Jobs (time spent gainfully) are the only way to fix this and prisons should be down played. That said,
I do think we do need a place to outcast people that will not follow the societies rules. Those that sell to kids, are of those people and outcast they should be. Not to return. Where should that be? Not a prison which is a training facility, mostly for undesirable trades and they do attempt to return.
 
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/455846/department-justice-fully-board-prison-reform-proposals

The Department of Justice Is ‘Fully On Board’ With Prison Reform Proposals

by Jim Geraghty January 27, 2018 6:51 PM

Do conservatives care about prison reform? It’s not the hottest topic in most voters’ minds. Most Americans hope to never see the inside of a jail cell, and they probably feel they’re more likely to be a victim of a crime than convicted of one. But Republican lawmakers are gradually increasing their focus on policy changes and programs that can reduce recidivism. Once a person is convicted of a crime, how can prisons try to increase the odds that the current incarceration is a convict’s final stay in the penal system? Earlier this month, President Trump and his staff held a White House “listening session” on the issue of prison reform and preventing recidivism, featuring Governors Mark Bevin of Kentucky and Sam Brownback of Kansas. (This being the Trump administration, the event was largely lost in the shuffle of ongoing controversies, including the reports of the president using an expletive to describe certain countries in a White House meeting on immigration.)

But the president does seem to have more than “law and order” in his perspective of the criminal justice system. “The vast majority of incarcerated individuals will be released at some point, and often struggle to become self-sufficient once they exit the correctional system,” Trump said. “We have a great interest in helping them turn their lives around, get a second chance, and make our community safe.” Koch Industries general counsel Mark Holden attended that White House event and concluded from his conversation with Jeff Sessions that the attorney general is “fully on board.” “I had a good conversation with him at the White House,” Holden said at the winter meeting of the Koch brothers’ Seminar Network. This is significant because Sessions is generally a skeptic of the burgeoning moment for criminal justice reform in Republican circles, and he torpedoed a bipartisan effort at sentencing reform as a senator in 2016. “We’re going to meet people where they are.”

Holden can sound like an impassioned liberal when discussing prisons, or at least he advocates positions that used to be mainly associated with liberals, lamenting that there’s too much power in the hands of prosecutors, not enough lawyers for people who need them, and too much faith in mandatory minimum sentences. He contends that there’s no data proving that those laws make citizens safer. “I think our system has miserably failed us in the past thirty to forty years,” he says. “More people have criminal records than college degrees. If you look at federal system, they’re still in the 1980s… They’re still using ‘lock ‘em up and throw away the key.’ It’s failing, it’s inhumane, and it’s counter-productive.” He points to the “Texas miracle” in prison reform, where from 2007 to 2015, the Lone Star state expanded the number of specialty courts from nine to more than 160, expanded substance abuse programs, expanded the number of halfway houses, and local probation departments: they could win additional state funds if they reduced the number of probationers returning to prison by 10 percent. As then-governor Rick Perry boasted, the state shut down three prisons and six juvenile facilities, saved $2 billion from the budget, and the state’s crime rate dropped to its lowest point since 1968. “Every state that’s done it right has been able to reduce crime and reduce incarceration rates at the same time,” Holden says.

At the White House event, Brownback said, “The biggest thing that we’ve gotten done that’s been successful have been mentoring programs, private person-to-person mentoring programs. We’ve got 7,500 matches that we’ve made. Because most people, when they come out of prisons, they don’t have many relationships that are reliable or good for them to get back on their feet. And that has cut the recidivism rate, for those 7,500, in half — from 20 to under 10 percent.” Holden and the Koch network are hoping for a similar large-scale shift of focus in the federal prison system. This year winter meeting is heavily focused around the network’s new initiative called Safe Streets and Second Chances, designed to promote anti-recidivism programs in U.S. prisons. The program will include a new research component using eight sites across Florida, Texas, Pennsylvania, and Louisiana, featuring a “randomized controlled trial involving more than 1,000 participants in a mix of urban and rural communities.” The research will be directed by Dr. Carrie Pettus-Davis of Washington University in St. Louis.

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/455846/department-justice-fully-board-prison-reform-proposals
 
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