Pritchards done is this article is even half true.... WOW... Get ready...

[KingSpeed]

I'm tempted to talk about how you're creating a straw man, but it would be lost on you.

Here's the way I see it...

Problem: KP is complaining that he doesn't make enough money.
Solution: Give KP more money.

It seems pretty simple to me.

Why? If only life were that simple. If you complain, you get whatever you want? That's not how the world works.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Nope sorry. We're not even CLOSE to securing a playoff berth. Houston is only THREE losses behind us and losses are all that matter at this point. If we go on a little losing streak, Houston will be right there to take our spot. We can't get complacent or take the 8th spot for granted.

Houston plays three games before our next game is over. (We have played 3 more games then them)

If they win @ Chicago and @ OKC then yes they will only be 3 games back in the loss column.

 

[KingSpeed]

I don't know if this article is true or not: if it's not true i would hope for a strong denial shortly by Miller and Vulcan brass, even from Allen.

I know one thing: I never thought of Pritchard as being arrogant (maybe some of his fans though); has anyone who has met him personally thought he was arrogant?

I've talked to him a few times. Didn't seem arrogant at all. Very humble. What was telling, though, was when I thanked him for what he did for the team, he introduced me to Tom Penn and said "it was all Tom's doing."

 

[chris_in_pdx]

For God's sake, when is the next game? Some of you people are flat out unhinged. Part of me wishes the Blazers DON'T make the playoffs so I have that many fewer days to read your worthless bullshit.

 

[LameR]

some guys are great rebuilding....

kpee got lucky and still made the wrong choice with oden.

The majority of the GMs in the league would have made that same choice. If you're going to bash on him, you should at least go in a different direction.

 

[KingSpeed]

Pritchard and Portland agree to part ways.

"One of the best young coaches in the game" enters his second decade of coaching and manages to send the entire city of Portland into a coma playing dire basketball and finishing 3rd in division each season with our "young up and coming team."
..

Sigh. If only we WERE in third.

 

[KingSpeed]

KP fucked up last summer when he failed to make trades/signings like San Antonio. The Spurs were able to challenge the Lakers all year for the best record in the west unlike the Blazers.

oops

Huh? We have a worse record than the Spurs.

 

[KingSpeed]

For God's sake, when is the next game? Some of you people are flat out unhinged. Part of me wishes the Blazers DON'T make the playoffs so I have that many fewer days to read your worthless bullshit.

Wow. Really? Amazing. First NateBishop said he hoped we had a horrible season now you? What kind of fans are you guys?

 

[KingSpeed]

Houston plays three games before our next game is over. (We have played 3 more games then them)

If they win @ Chicago and @ OKC then yes they will only be 3 games back in the loss column.

RIGHT NOW, they are 3 games back in the loss column. Yes, they may lose one of their next 3 games but that doesn't change the current fact that they are 3 games back in the loss column.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Huh? We have a worse record than the Spurs.

I was being sarcastic! According to some this summer, the Spurs were supposed to contend for the title based on who they added. That DID NOT WORK OUT. KP did not fuck up by not getting Jefferson and McDyess. Not criticizing SA, just making a point that trades don't always work out better than standing pat. Neither team is winning it this year.

 

[BGrantFan]

“Kevin was in a constant battle to position himself to get credit away from Nate for whatever success they were eventually going to have there,” one NBA executive friendly with both said. “Nate knows enough not to flap his gums and pound his chest – especially when your team hasn’t even won a playoff series yet. He’s secure in himself, in a way that Pritchard never knew how to be.

“If Kevin just kept his mouth shut, cut out all the arrogance and insecurity, I think he probably would’ve had his extension a long time ago.”

So who is it. Mark Warkentein? He acted like a little child when he left Portland.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I agree AW is a douche, but there is a LOT of smoke around this story from multiple sources...including a primary player (KP's agent)...

Also, FUCK Vulcan at this point if they screw up the Blazers again.

At first I wanted to dismiss this story, when I saw AW attached to the byline, but there's not just smoke, there'a already been fire -- and it looks like it might just go to full blown conflagration.

 

[BGrantFan]

There are certain people who are always looking for that next step. They aren't content with where they are, they want more money and more power.
I don't know how to describe it. They look to take credit all the time, go after high profile issues . . . they just make themselves look more impressive, especially to the right people.

There are many of these types out there, really in it for themselves more than for the organization. I don't know if KP is one of these people . . . but believe it or not, these type of people exist at all levels of society.

So Pritchard wanting a contract extension to keep HIS CURRENT JOB is an example of this exactly how?

What a piece of shit thread.

 

[BGrantFan]

How short some memories are...

No shit. It's like the Patterson/Nash era never existed to some so-called fans here.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Woj is a douche, but that isn't the real issue here.

Many fans, myself included, have trouble understanding the idea that the team might value Nate over KP. That doesn't make the claim untrue. A sizable chunk of Blazer fandom would salute KP if he called for Nate to be fired. Even fans who generally support Nate would say "if KP feels he needs to go, it's time." That doesn't mean Allen sees it that way - and at the end of the day, only his vote counts!

Well, I wonder if Allen thinks Nate would have more success if he had more defensive minded players, when KP has done pretty much nothing but draft/sign offensive minded guys ... I'm not saying I think Nate will actually have success if he gets a bunch of defensive minded guys, I'm just saying there seems to be something of a philosophical disconnect between management and coaching staff.

 

[BGrantFan]

Well, I wonder if Allen thinks Nate would have more success if he had more defensive minded players, when KP has done pretty much nothing but draft/sign offensive minded guys ... I'm not saying I think Nate will actually have success if he gets a bunch of defensive minded guys, I'm just saying there seems to be something of a philosophical disconnect between management and coaching staff.

Greg Oden?

Nic Batum?

Jesus Fucking Christ. Ridiculous stuff in this thread. Pritchard should have drafted Durant over Oden. He's a much better defensive player.

 

[ehizzy3]

i dont feel like reading this thread...dont want to have a bad day...okay bye

 

[Nikolokolus]

Greg Oden?

Nic Batum?

Jesus Fucking Christ. Ridiculous stuff in this thread. Pritchard should have drafted Durant over Oden. He's a much better defensive player.

The ratio is a little bit off you'll agree though, right?

 

[Wheels]

The ratio is a little bit off you'll agree though, right?

While not the only reason I'm sure.. but Bayless with his Lateral Quickness, and "commitment to playing defense" as draft express put it. I would add him there.

 

[BGrantFan]

The ratio is a little bit off you'll agree though, right?

2 of the last 4 #1 picks were defensive players. Oden, Batum, and Bayless was supposed to be a solid player on both ends of the court. I don't buy it.

 

[Nikolokolus]

While not the only reason I'm sure.. but Bayless with his Lateral Quickness, and "commitment to playing defense" as draft express put it. I would add him there.

Bayless has the quickness, but his lack of length really hurts his chances of being a great wing defender -- in any case there was nothing he did tangibly at U of A to suggest he was anything but a great scorer and mystery meat on the defensive end.

In any case, I wasn't trying to stir up a bunch of shit by saying KP hasn't drafted/signed many defensive minded players I'm just saying I think there might be a disconnect between KP's management style and Nate's coaching style.

 

[Nikolokolus]

2 of the last 4 #1 picks were defensive players. Oden, Batum, and Bayless was supposed to be a solid player on both ends of the court. I don't buy it.

Oden, yes, Batum for sure, but Bayless?

EDIT: I think you're missing the point and getting caught up in minutiae; it's not about just the draft, it's a general difference of philosophy I'm talking about.

 

[Wheels]

Bayless has the quickness, but his lack of length really hurts his chances of being a great wing defender -- in any case there was nothing he did tangibly at U of A to suggest he was anything but a great scorer and mystery meat on the defensive end.

In any case, I wasn't trying to stir up a bunch of shit by saying KP hasn't drafted/signed many defensive minded players I'm just saying I think there might be a disconnect between KP's management style and Nate's coaching style.

I know. I just was trying to help lol. I have never once thought that you stir crap up here. Even when we dont share the same opinion.

 

[BGrantFan]

Bayless has the quickness, but his lack of length really hurts his chances of being a great wing defender -- in any case there was nothing he did tangibly at U of A to suggest he was anything but a great scorer and mystery meat on the defensive end.

In any case, I wasn't trying to stir up a bunch of shit by saying KP hasn't drafted/signed many defensive minded players I'm just saying I think there might be a disconnect between KP's management style and Nate's coaching style.

I completely agree with this statement. The rest of this thread made such little sense intellectually that I think I needed to be hammered over the head with reasoning in order to understand a salient point. Thanks for clarifying your post.

 

[BGrantFan]

I'll add that it frightens the hell out of me that Vulcan Inc. may value McMillan's value over Pritchard's value. If Nate had his way, we'd be watching a bunch of 85-74 'blowouts'.

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

[citation needed]

 

[BGrantFan]

Oden, yes, Batum for sure, but Bayless?

EDIT: I think you're missing the point and getting caught up in minutiae; it's not about just the draft, it's a general difference of philosophy I'm talking about.

I said 2 out of 4. I added Bayless because he was supposed to be a two-way player. If I was using Bayless as an example, I'd have said 3 out of 4.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I'll add that it frightens the hell out of me that Vulcan Inc. may value McMillan's value over Pritchard's value. If Nate had his way, we'd be watching a bunch of 85-74 'blowouts'.

I tend to agree ... he's got a little bit of Larry Brown in him that way.

But regardless, I think until these philosophical issues (that may or may not exist) get resolved and the front office starts adding players that fit the coach's system or they get a coach to fit their players, it's like buying a bunch of parts made for a sports a car and then trying to assemble them into a pickup truck -- you might be able to do it, but the result isn't going to be pretty.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I said 2 out of 4. I added Bayless because he was supposed to be a two-way player. If I was using Bayless as an example, I'd have said 3 out of 4.

I'd also add, Sergio, Claver, Koponen, Freeland (potential defensive player, but just a raw project currently), Rudy and then free agent signings of Miller and Blake, extending Webster ...

 

[Minstrel]

EDIT: I think you're missing the point and getting caught up in minutiae; it's not about just the draft, it's a general difference of philosophy I'm talking about.

You may be right that there's a difference in philosophy, but I'm not sure it's the one you mean. To me, Pritchard just wants the best talents he can find, regardless of the offense/defense distribution of said talent. That is, he's not willing to accept less talent in order to get more defense (or more offense).

McMillan seems to have a definite style in mind...low-risk, grind it out, defensive-minded. He might want particular types of players.

So, to me, if there's a philosophical disconnect between the two, it's not "offense versus defense" but "maximizing talent versus players who play the right way [as McMillan defines it]." I can't be certain that either man would articulate his views that way, but that is the impression I've gotten from what they say (for public consumption) and do.