Mr. J
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<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Avery:</div><div class="quote_post">That's why I said stars with quotations. They don't really have any stars if you look at it besides Marbury really, but players like Crawford, Richardson, and maybe even Tim Thomas (if Curry doesn't pass his physical) will likely bring down the team.</div>
Well, that’s not likely to happen. I doubt Curry will fail his physical, so Tim Thomas is more than likely gone. What do you mean by bringing the team down? I can see about Tim Thomas’ distractions, but how do Richardson and Crawford bring down the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That's where Larry has to come in and put those players in check because when you have guys like Richardson jacking up 3’s when ever he desires</div>
Richardson didn’t want to jack up 3’s. The way Phoenix’s offense was set, they wanted for him to take all those shots. He even said: “Finally, I can do my thing once again. At first, I was surprised by the trade -- but now I can’t wait to go back to the style I love to play. I love to go down to the low post, use my power, use my versatility. In Phoenix, I was basically relegated to standing on the three-point line. That’s really not my style of basketball. I am much more than that. I have a lot more to offer than just stand there and shoot. Even though we were a winning team, it was extremely frustrating.”
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and Crawford over dribbling and taking unnecessary shots it's going to cost the team.</div>
Crawford does take his share of bad shots, but with Larry Brown working with him, I think he’ll improve on this aspect. Also, I expect him to be playing some point guard this season. When he’s placed here, his decision making improved and the Knicks benefited more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But what I'm really trying to say is that the Knicks may have a hard time making everyone happy and that might be the biggest backbreaker. Remember, Houston, Crawford, Penny and Marbury will all want they're fair amount of shots no matter what. In addition you also have Jerome James, Malik Rose, Frye, Curry and so on so it’s going to be hard to make everyone happy.
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Just by being veterans, I think Houston and Penny will get their fair share of shot attempts. Also, with Crawford playing point guard now, I don’t think it’ll be so much of a problem. Wouldn’t that be the equivalent to Iverson, Webber, Iguodala, Dalembert, and Korver wanting their fair amount of shots? You don’t think they’ll be any problems, so why will there be any on the Knicks?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And if you can't see this as being a potentially very likely dilemma then you're blind. And by the time when Brown get through their heads and they start playing real ball (I’ll say probably by the 2nd half of the season) and either just make the Playoffs or miss it everyone is going to ask why didn’t the Knicks play like this earlier?</div>
Yes, it could be a problem, but what’s to say it will? Brown has been in these kinds of situations before and his teams have ended up successful. I think too many people stress this potential problem when it’s not that serious.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I said it last season and the type of season the Knicks had proved me right and I’ll say again this time, that Isiah Thomas needs to be fired if not, he needs to get rid of most of this talent and but complementary players around not players that merely has talent.</div>
Last season wasn’t Isiah’s fault. The Knicks were playoff bound with a decent 16-13 record, but when injuries struck, they couldn’t deal with it. A good example is Allan Houston who was out 62 games. He was/is the Knicks best clutch shooter and when you take into consideration 30/49 of the Knicks losses were decided by 6 points or less, his clutch shooting would have been very useful. If he was healthy, the Knicks would have probably made the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What he seems to be doing is taking the best player and making them play together and that just doesn’t cut it. The Mavericks has been doing it for years and they still can’t get over the hump. Yes, they get 50 wins virtually every year but what do they have to show for all that talent? Nothing. Just a typical 2nd Round of Conference Finals elimination and having high hopes the following year and just for everything to happen all over again. But the only reason they are lucky enough to get 50+ wins is because they have a good big man which is they key to success now a days and most of the players they had/have are non-selfish and having a team with Nash a couple seasons ago at the point it’s impossible for nobody to get at least one touch.</div>
The Mavericks are a very good team and many of their losses are mostly due to their competition simply being too much to handle. The Spurs usually beat them, the Suns had the MVP in Nash and another great candidate in Amare so it’s not like the East. Many people also forget in the 02-03 playoffs, Nowitzki was injured in the Conference Finals and they still managed to take it to Game 6. In the playoffs, Nowitzki was putting up 25.3 points 11.5 rebounds on 47.9% shooting and a 44.3% from downtown. If the Mavs had that all series I’m sure they could have advanced to the Finals and might have beaten the Nets there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But anyways, if Thomas wants to be successful he would look for the best players that can play best TOGETHER because honestly even with Brown at the helm I just don’t see how Crawford, Marbury, Curry, Houston, James, Rose, Taylor and so on can play up to their potential. I could see Marbury, Crawford, Curry and someone like Battier, Brent Barry or even a Rodney Buford playing well together, but again there are just too many distractions. Your sig says it all GotSkillz92.</div>
That’s fair, but I don’t see it’s being as serious as everyone is making it out to be. If Brown can do what he’s done throughout his whole career and make things work, then you’re looking at a much improved team from last year. There are a lot of ifs, but I guess those ifs will have to be answered when the season starts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Culperfect:</div><div class="quote_post">I know, look at what Isaiah has done since retiring as a player: A decent stint with a great Pacers team that featured a still-strong Reggie Miller. A brief period of running the CBA--- into the ground. And, now, under his guidance, the Knicks are garbage (even if you think they'll be good this year, they were last season). I think Isaiah is too used to everything working out for him easily since he is such a natural talent. I don't think he views a separation in being a good basketball player and being a good basketball executive.</div>
He’s also drafted Tracy McGrady, Damon Stoudamire, and traded Dale Davis – a solid 10/10 player – for Jermaine O’Neal. The main reason for the Knicks downfall last year was because of injuries. That is something Thomas cannot control. If the Knicks are all healthy next year, than I’m sure they won’t be garbage as you’re saying.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Furthermore, I don't think he and Larry Brown are going to agree on the future of this team.</div>
If you and I think alike, then one of us is useless.
Well, that’s not likely to happen. I doubt Curry will fail his physical, so Tim Thomas is more than likely gone. What do you mean by bringing the team down? I can see about Tim Thomas’ distractions, but how do Richardson and Crawford bring down the team.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">That's where Larry has to come in and put those players in check because when you have guys like Richardson jacking up 3’s when ever he desires</div>
Richardson didn’t want to jack up 3’s. The way Phoenix’s offense was set, they wanted for him to take all those shots. He even said: “Finally, I can do my thing once again. At first, I was surprised by the trade -- but now I can’t wait to go back to the style I love to play. I love to go down to the low post, use my power, use my versatility. In Phoenix, I was basically relegated to standing on the three-point line. That’s really not my style of basketball. I am much more than that. I have a lot more to offer than just stand there and shoot. Even though we were a winning team, it was extremely frustrating.”
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">and Crawford over dribbling and taking unnecessary shots it's going to cost the team.</div>
Crawford does take his share of bad shots, but with Larry Brown working with him, I think he’ll improve on this aspect. Also, I expect him to be playing some point guard this season. When he’s placed here, his decision making improved and the Knicks benefited more.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But what I'm really trying to say is that the Knicks may have a hard time making everyone happy and that might be the biggest backbreaker. Remember, Houston, Crawford, Penny and Marbury will all want they're fair amount of shots no matter what. In addition you also have Jerome James, Malik Rose, Frye, Curry and so on so it’s going to be hard to make everyone happy.
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Just by being veterans, I think Houston and Penny will get their fair share of shot attempts. Also, with Crawford playing point guard now, I don’t think it’ll be so much of a problem. Wouldn’t that be the equivalent to Iverson, Webber, Iguodala, Dalembert, and Korver wanting their fair amount of shots? You don’t think they’ll be any problems, so why will there be any on the Knicks?
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">And if you can't see this as being a potentially very likely dilemma then you're blind. And by the time when Brown get through their heads and they start playing real ball (I’ll say probably by the 2nd half of the season) and either just make the Playoffs or miss it everyone is going to ask why didn’t the Knicks play like this earlier?</div>
Yes, it could be a problem, but what’s to say it will? Brown has been in these kinds of situations before and his teams have ended up successful. I think too many people stress this potential problem when it’s not that serious.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I said it last season and the type of season the Knicks had proved me right and I’ll say again this time, that Isiah Thomas needs to be fired if not, he needs to get rid of most of this talent and but complementary players around not players that merely has talent.</div>
Last season wasn’t Isiah’s fault. The Knicks were playoff bound with a decent 16-13 record, but when injuries struck, they couldn’t deal with it. A good example is Allan Houston who was out 62 games. He was/is the Knicks best clutch shooter and when you take into consideration 30/49 of the Knicks losses were decided by 6 points or less, his clutch shooting would have been very useful. If he was healthy, the Knicks would have probably made the playoffs.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">What he seems to be doing is taking the best player and making them play together and that just doesn’t cut it. The Mavericks has been doing it for years and they still can’t get over the hump. Yes, they get 50 wins virtually every year but what do they have to show for all that talent? Nothing. Just a typical 2nd Round of Conference Finals elimination and having high hopes the following year and just for everything to happen all over again. But the only reason they are lucky enough to get 50+ wins is because they have a good big man which is they key to success now a days and most of the players they had/have are non-selfish and having a team with Nash a couple seasons ago at the point it’s impossible for nobody to get at least one touch.</div>
The Mavericks are a very good team and many of their losses are mostly due to their competition simply being too much to handle. The Spurs usually beat them, the Suns had the MVP in Nash and another great candidate in Amare so it’s not like the East. Many people also forget in the 02-03 playoffs, Nowitzki was injured in the Conference Finals and they still managed to take it to Game 6. In the playoffs, Nowitzki was putting up 25.3 points 11.5 rebounds on 47.9% shooting and a 44.3% from downtown. If the Mavs had that all series I’m sure they could have advanced to the Finals and might have beaten the Nets there.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">But anyways, if Thomas wants to be successful he would look for the best players that can play best TOGETHER because honestly even with Brown at the helm I just don’t see how Crawford, Marbury, Curry, Houston, James, Rose, Taylor and so on can play up to their potential. I could see Marbury, Crawford, Curry and someone like Battier, Brent Barry or even a Rodney Buford playing well together, but again there are just too many distractions. Your sig says it all GotSkillz92.</div>
That’s fair, but I don’t see it’s being as serious as everyone is making it out to be. If Brown can do what he’s done throughout his whole career and make things work, then you’re looking at a much improved team from last year. There are a lot of ifs, but I guess those ifs will have to be answered when the season starts.
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Culperfect:</div><div class="quote_post">I know, look at what Isaiah has done since retiring as a player: A decent stint with a great Pacers team that featured a still-strong Reggie Miller. A brief period of running the CBA--- into the ground. And, now, under his guidance, the Knicks are garbage (even if you think they'll be good this year, they were last season). I think Isaiah is too used to everything working out for him easily since he is such a natural talent. I don't think he views a separation in being a good basketball player and being a good basketball executive.</div>
He’s also drafted Tracy McGrady, Damon Stoudamire, and traded Dale Davis – a solid 10/10 player – for Jermaine O’Neal. The main reason for the Knicks downfall last year was because of injuries. That is something Thomas cannot control. If the Knicks are all healthy next year, than I’m sure they won’t be garbage as you’re saying.
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Furthermore, I don't think he and Larry Brown are going to agree on the future of this team.</div>
If you and I think alike, then one of us is useless.
