Prospect update

[kreidertime]

Zborovskiy is off to a nice start. 8 points in 11 games. Always exciting to see a righty defenseman prospect do well since we barely have any in the pipeline. Tambellini scored 2 last night giving him 4 goals, 1 A in 5 AHL games. I didn't think he would do well early on. I'm shocked. I thought it would take him 40 games to adjust. This is a great sign. He had 8 shots on goal last night as well. Graves had 1 G and 1 A. Should hear reports on his defensive game coming in. Fogarty is off to a big start in his senior year. Don't expect much of him as a prospect but it's nice to see him with 6 points in 3 games. Nieves as usual blows. He's a clown. Euro prospects are doing fine. Especially Kovac. Gropp has his head up his ass to start the season.

 

[cagedlion]

I am really interested to see how Tambellini progresses.
Also Brady Skjei and Petr Zamorsky on D.
The farm system has to keep producing so we
will not be seeing anymore Boyles on the Rangers!

 

[kreidertime]

Tambellini has slowed down. Basically, the Pack suck right now. Not unexpected. The Rangers use their AHL team to develop talent. A lot of youth on that squad. Other moron organizations fill those rosters with old bastards which is why they don't produce squat compared to the Rangers with young players from the AHL.

I figure it will take Graves and Tambellini 2 years at the AHL to be NHL ready. Skjei one year. Should be interesting to see what right handed defenseman Andersson and Zamorsky do. Right now Zamorsky appears to suck. I don't have much hope for either but perhaps because they are righties, one can stick around as a 7th defenseman.

Euro prospects are doing fine. Gropp has picked it up a little. He now has 7 goals. Nieves proves game after game he sucks. We can only pray somebody is dumb enough to trade for him. He is a candyass.

 

[Ranger71]

Don't give up on Fogarty, there's potential there.

 

[mrmel29]

Good info dump. Keep it coming.

 

[cagedlion]

Rangers' top farm team, Hartford Whalers, shut out
twice this weekend by Devils and Islanders' squads......
4-0 and 1-0 respectively. There is no one at this time
who can give the Rangers any insurance in case of
injuries. Pray the Rangers stay healthy for
a long long time.

 

[vroppelt]

Rangers' top farm team, Hartford Whalers, shut out
twice this weekend by Devils and Islanders' squads......
4-0 and 1-0 respectively. There is no one at this time
who can give the Rangers any insurance in case of
injuries. Pray the Rangers stay healthy for
a long long time.

Not that they are high quality NHL'ers or anything, but in the event of injuries, don't we have Glass and Megna that would be decent depth forwards (Summers too), and Skjei as a good D call up?

 

[cagedlion]

^^^^^^Skjei is a year away. Do not want Glass back on
the parent club though team mates love the guy........he
cannot score and is a detriment to his line mates.
He is showing negative numbers in Hartford.

There is a prospect who may pay dividends later this year...........
his name is Pavel Buchnevich. He is everything Ranger
fans dream about with his on ice wizardry!

 

[kreidertime]

Kovacs is doing great in the Swed 1 League. He has 9 goals and 14 points in 18 games. I'd like to see the Rangers sign his teammate Malte Stromwall who has 17 goals and 26 points in 20 games who is 21 and is a righty shot. Basically, the Pack suck and have little talent up front. How much of a gamble could it be? I'd prefer they trade Nieves and Forgarty now for picks. To me, Iverson will eventually be a 4th liner for us. He's a great skater for his size. The guy is huge. He's also got a mean streak. He's having a better year in juniors with 14 points in 18 games. Gropp scored his 9th last night. I think he's due to break out big soon. Tambellini scored his 5th for the crappy Pack. That's good. Buchnevich KHL team absolutely sucks. So, hard for him to put up big numbers there. He has 19 points in 26 games which is amazing on that team. Shesterkin in the VHL is has a 1.18 GA average with a .953% and 3 shutouts. To me, he is the goalie of our future.

 

[kreidertime]

Gropp had the natural hat trick last night. Now 13 goals in 18 games. He's really picked it up. Saarela is a guy to watch. He was at one time viewed a potential number 1 pick in the draft. He's got 7 goals right now in what I consider the best league outside the NHL. The KHL IMO is overrated. Rangers potentially it a HR there.

 

[kreidertime]

Our AHL team freakin blowwwwwwwwws. That's what happens when you trade number 1 picks away each year. The only player worth crap on that team right now is Skjei, our last number 1 pick. Graves is doing OK. Tambellini simply has no veteran help. The vets on that team suck.

 

[mrmel29]

I know its second guessing but I'd like a do over on the yandle trade and have Duke, skjei on d and that first round pick back for yandle who from what I've seen so far is vastly over rated

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Unfortunately mel i may have to agree with you, we are not seeing the player that we drooled over for the past 3 or 4 years.
But..at the time it was a move that seemed very good at the time.

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[Ranger71]

Who was drooling over him? Oh. He will still be a big help over the course of the year and is on pace for over 40 points still.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

Foe three years people were talking about him...seems like all the way back to the rosival days people were clamoring to bring in yandel

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[Ranger71]

I know, i was making fun of myself as i was probably leading that brigade.lol

 

[kreidertime]

It's amazing how many morons on HF don't realize that Nieves absolutely freakin sucks as a prospect. They should give him away at this point.

 

[mrmel29]

Ryan Gropp
Left Wing
Born Sep 16 1996 -- Kamloops, BC
Height 6.02 -- Weight 187 -- Shoots L


Selected by New York Rangers round 2 #41 overall 2015 NHL Entry Draft

--- Regular Season --- ---- Playoffs ----
Season Team Lge GP G A Pts PIM GP G A Pts PIM
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2011-12 Penticton Vees BCHL 2 1 0 1 0 -- -- -- -- --
2012-13 Penticton Vees BCHL 50 12 19 31 26 15 4 5 9 4
2013-14 Penticton Vees BCHL 10 3 5 8 2 -- -- -- -- --
2013-14 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 59 18 24 42 22 9 1 3 4 0
2014-15 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 67 30 28 58 44 6 1 7 8 8
2015-16 Seattle Thunderbirds WHL 23 16 9 25 16
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Really like this gropp kid who is the long range benefit from trading hags. Hope he can be here for the 17-18 season

 

[kreidertime]

Saarela with 2 more goals. I believe he has 6 to 8 goals in his last 10 something games in the top Finish league. Looking more and more like the Rangers found themselves another Lindberg. Farm really needed that. That scrub Nieves actually did something last night though it was against Wisconsin who freakin sucks this year. Tambellini scored which was nice for the kid. He hasn't scored forever. The Pack suck.

 

[kreidertime]

What worries me is the organizations stupidity of giving away tons of first rounders and not making any effort to draft right handed shots up front. Islanders have had 5 first round picks the last 3 years. 2 of the 4 forwards are right handed shots, the defenseman is a right handed shot. All have done very well as prospects. Another reason why I feel it's important they deal Yandle for at least a 1st round pick and perhaps a right handed shooting forward with excellent offensive upside.

I was just looking at this. Vrbata is in the last year of his contract. He's having a horrible season after a great season the year before. He's a righty shot. Vancouver is going into the toilet. You might be able to deal them Glass, Boyle and a prospect like Nieves who I know sucks but the rest of the world might not be convinced of that for Vrbata. The money is even. They are using a bunch of kids on defense and up front over there. At this point, they could use some vet help on the back end and free up a top 6 forward spot for one of the kids.

 

[chuckd3534]

I hope they don't deal Yandle for a pick and/or prospect because that would mean we are struggling and not a real SC threat, because no shot they make a deal like that if we are.

 

[chuckd3534]

I hate Boyle...I hate Glass...I hate Nieves...they all suck...hey let's trade them for Vrbata. I'm sure that will be the Canucks best offer and they will jump right on it...LOL.

 

[kreidertime]

Once again, you're a moron who doesn't read, does no research about other teams players and over-values them.

Vrbata is 34. He's a -17 this season with 12 points. In other words, he has sucked beyond belief and the Canucks have lost 4 or 5 in a row and are below .500. While I don't like Nieves, the majority of our stupid fan base still seems to. Vrbata is adding nothing to the Canucks. In fact, I'd say that Boyle despite my criticism of him has been much more valuable to the Rangers than Vrbata has this year to the Canucks.

It's amazing how f'n stupid you are on other teams players sometimes as well as our own. You continue ever year to overrate players on losing teams with their value and think almost all of the Rangers players and prospects are worthless. You continue to think this team is built to win now. Which is hilarious considering every time their is a trade proposal, our players are worth nothing according to you.

You are probably one of the few people in our fan base that thinks this team is a contender. All I heard this week on the FAN was the truth from most of our fans. This is not a cup contender and it's not a team built for the playoffs.

What Vrbata did last year means nothing. Right now Boyle is having a better year than Vrbata. Vrbata not only is giving the Canucks nothing offensively, he's been one of the worst defensive players in all of hockey. In reality, the Rangers would be taking a significant risk here IMO. Adding a bad defensive player to a team struggling defensively. I'd make this deal only on the idea that the rest of this team would improve defensively in order to hide Vrbata's stupidity.

 

[chuckd3534]

And if we are struggling around trade DL time or even through February then we'll make the moves we need to make for the future. I know 27 games in I am not ready to write the team off, but that's what you do every year dump so no surprise that is your position. And good for you bro, I respect your right to have that opinion. Just like last season and the season prior to that you pronounce us dead early, and that is cool.

I am not ready to sell off Yandle for picks/prospects 27 games in though when we are 1 point out of 1st place.

As for Vrbata teams see what you see...a guy struggling this year but was good last year. Pretty sure they can get more than crap, which is what Boyle/Glass/Nieves is, for him.

 

[kreidertime]

It's the same every year with you Chuck. You always want to give up the future to go for it now. Yet, all the players on this team which wins a lot during the regular season, suck value wise when people here are looking to trade a few of them for losing teams players. Just because we don't like Glass or Boyle doesn't mean they aren't upgrades for crap teams like Vancouver. Vancouver's defenseman are laughable rejects. I would say Boyle would be in their top 3 the second he got there. Nieves is not a prospect I like. However, his numbers for college are not horrific. I just don't care for his work ethic expect more offense in college. I guarantee if I put Lindberg in a deal at the beginning of last year for Vrbata you would have said he sucks, Vancouver wouldn't ever trade Vrbata for that garbage prospect. I guarantee it and I know this board would completely agree with that.

 

[Ranger71]

If the Rangers sign Nieves it'll be interesting to see if he takes a step forward outside of Michigan and the NCAA. Fogarty as well.

 

[chuckd3534]

I don't want to do anything except be patient and see where we are in 8 weeks +/-. That's it.

I don't want to deal Yandle for picks/prospects after 27 games. I also don't want to deal youth for older players right now.

And no I don't think the Canucks would deal Vrbata for crap. But as I usually say, I will leave fantasy trades that never EVER EVER happen to you. That's your area of expertise dump...LOL.

 

[BigDaddyAl1973]

1. Why would boyle ok going to Vancouver?
2. Why would vancover want glass when they had a chance to get him doe pennies on the dollar?
3. So basically its give me a third rate prospect and two players you dont want for a player we dont appear to want....


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[Ranger71]

I would offer D.Moore/2nd/b-prospect for Vrbata, if they have an interest in him. Moore is expendable imo.

 

[kreidertime]

Vrbata doesn't have a lot of value. His defense sucks. He's pretty much one dimensional. He's a righty shot. That's it. Every time the Rangers played him he pretty much was invisible. Yet, he's still somebody that fits better than Boyle here. So to me, it's 2 teams dumping players that aren't really working for them.