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I think this was diversionary for QE3 discussion. :MARIS61:
 
Denny Crane said:
This will keep Romney's tax returns off the front page and MSNBC for a while.
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Unfortunately for him it is highlighting his and especially Ryan's vitriolic un-American and self-serving attacks on the President, our military leaders, and our allies, which only serves to aid our enemies. Good thing he lives in America as many governments would have him executed for treason. :sigh:
 
Lie of the moment, that the Marines were prohibited from having ammo.

Proven false.

Still repeated.
 
PapaG said:
I haven't been in a church for years, and it's fairly well-known here that I'm agnostic in terms of any religious or spiritual views.
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Your posts about religion are always a vehement defense of christians or calls to nuke muslims. Strange approach for an "agnostic".
 
MARIS61 said:
Unfortunately for him it is highlighting his and especially Ryan's vitriolic un-American and self-serving attacks on the President, our military leaders, and our allies, which only serves to aid our enemies. Good thing he lives in America as many governments would have him executed for treason. :sigh:
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You write the most off the wall things most of the time. This one is a laugher.
 
maxiep said:
Are you familiar with the saying, "All it takes for evil to triumph is for good people to do nothing"? That's how we allowed the Arab Spring: We sent the message to those people we wouldn't stand in the way of a regime change and sent the message to those governments that we wouldn't support them repressing their people to stay in power (as we had done before).

Ironically, we sent the opposite message to the brave insurgents in Iran, but who are we to question our Dear Leader? Finally, when it came to Libya, we played an active role in the overthrow of that regime.

Again, the problem comes with our foreign policy. Like a lawyer who doesn't ask a question of a witness to which he or she doesn't already know the answer, it's a cardinal rule of governments that you don't assist in the overthrow of a government without knowing exactly what will replace it.
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What we did was what you claim to be for, the Libertarian view of foreign policy, which is stay the fuck out of it and let other countries determine their own future without our meddling.
 
maxiep said:
He shouldn't have been outed. Like it or not, our government's first responsibility is to protect its people. It failed in Libya, but hopefully this filmmaker won't be killed.
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Neither the filmmaker nor the financiers of this deliberate and successful attempt to start a war are deserving of protection by our government.

The film was financed by the cowardly EGYPTIAN coptic christian sect, who now have a front row seat to the murders of innocent Americans they have deliberately incited by their hateful and libelious attack on their "rival" religion. Hopefully, someone spreads this knowledge to the rioters so they can at least murder the proper targets of their childish rage rather than innocents who have no stake in this disgraceful power play between 2 self-serving groups of no redeeming value to this earth.

The filmmaker is a convicted methmaker, 2-time convicted felon, who will now face numerous lawsuits from the actors he deceived into making this POS "film".

http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/1...optic-christian-crook-nakoula-bassely-nakoula
 
maxiep said:
To be fair, it appears as if they hate Hardee's more. I blame the chain's support of NASCAR. The KFC was just collateral damage.
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Another big laugher for maxiep.

You would've busted a gut over the holocaust had you been alive (and far waya, safe in America).
 
PapaG said:
Some obscure movie from some nobody incites the entire Muslim world?
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Not some nobody. It was financed by your heroes, the Egyptian coptic christian sect.

You sure know how to pick 'em.
 
Now it's time to see if The Patriot Act was ever actually intended to defend us from terrorism or not.

So, let's put the pieces together:

15 people from the Middle East worked with an Egyptian convicted felon and a Christian paramilitary militia leader on a coordinated project.

They used false names and kept even those who worked with them in the dark about their goals.

Although the main players were Christian and residents of the United States, they attempted to cast blame on Jews and Israel for their work.

They lied about where their money came from and, in at least one case, stole.

They knew as they worked on this project that the likely outcome would be violence, including violence against Americans, and including violence in the home countries of many of the key players.

After completing their work, the main player immediately went into hiding, lied about his age, lied about his nationality, and asked for police protection. Meanwhile, his deputies covered his trail and assisted in his lies.

What about this is not terrorism?


The PATRIOT Act was sold to America as legislation that would give Homeland Security officials the broad authority they needed to capture and punish those who seek to influence American policy by creating chaos, violence, disorder, and destruction. It includes specific provisions to punish those who finance terrorism and those who incite others to commit terrorism. In fact, broader latitude to punish incitement to terrorism was one of the key--and one of the most controversial--facets of the legislation that we were told we needed, without which we were told terrorists could cause the deaths of Americans and walk free.

Nakoula Bassely Nakoula, if he has done all that he is alleged to have done, is a terrorist who knowingly took premeditated action to incite violence against Americans and Christians. Further, he attempted to endanger the lives of Jews and Israelis as well by implicating them in a project that does not appear to have had the involvement of a single Israeli or Jew. Thirdly, he endangered the lives of his own cast and crew by editing his film and dubbing over its audio to make ordinary actors appear to be saying inflammatory and hateful things. This heartless felon and convicted fraudster was willing not only to put at risk his own life (albeit not without a plan to obscure his identity and blame others) but the lives of people who didn't even know what they were working on.

Sounds like someone we all remember--someone who, like Nakoula, was safely in hiding in another country while his own countrymen died for his hateful and ignorant beliefs. Someone who, like Nakoula, did not hesitate to put others in harms way to protect himself. Someone who, like Nakoula, with premeditation and intent, caused the deaths of Americans. Someone who, thank God, is no longer a threat to the United States or to his own people, having been killed by US Navy Seals.

Homeland Security authorities know where Nakoula is, as he has reportedly requested police protection. One can only hope that the police are also "protecting" this terrorist from fleeing the country before someone reads the USA-PATRIOT Act, notices that he meets every qualification for incitement to terrorism in it, and places him under arrest.

http://www.coloradopols.com/diary/1...optic-christian-crook-nakoula-bassely-nakoula
 
Some commentary on this that I think all can agree upon.

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These are people who were born and raised in dictatorships. They are accustomed to thinking that a government controls its citizens -- that a film or documentary cannot be produced without government approval. For decades, this has been the reality of their lives, and they strongly believe that the Western world and its citizens have a similarly controlling relationship between individuals and government.
In light of this assumption, they hold the U.S. government responsible for the tacky and distasteful film produced by a right-wing Muslimphobe.
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The freedom to proselytize also guarantees the right to apostatize. Heresy and blasphemy are essential parts of free and democratic societies. Arab activists cannot seek to emulate the West's political and social achievements by looking at the United States and Europe today, but must observe and learn from the religious battles of 17th-century Europe, the smashing of the tyranny of the Roman Catholic Church, the ending of burning witches and the forbidding of hanging heretics.
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MARIS61 said:
What we did was what you claim to be for, the Libertarian view of foreign policy, which is stay the fuck out of it and let other countries determine their own future without our meddling.
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Wow. I knew you often post unseriously and outrageously on this board simply to elicit a reaction, but I never thought you needed help with your reading comprehension. I have stated several times that what keeps me from being a Libertarian completely is the Party's foreign policy and drugs. Okay, then. Carry on with your idiocy.
 
MARIS61 said:
Another big laugher for maxiep.

You would've busted a gut over the holocaust had you been alive (and far waya, safe in America).
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MARIS, if I would have been alive during the Holocaust, I would have likely parished with the rest of my grandfather's family, buried in a mass grave outside of Minsk. At least they didn't have to endure a concentration camp; they were each just shot in the head.
 
westnob said:
Some commentary on this that I think all can agree upon.

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Good point. Repped. However, that doesn't absolve their governments from blame. It was all the more reason that we needed a strong defense from our President and State Department espousing our values. Explain how our country is different and never apologize for it. And the governments of Egypt and Libya should have been on notice that if any of our embassies or consulates were touched, our response would be swift and severe. Instead, we give an apology for offending them. Fuck that. Frankly, I'M offended by my embassies and consulates are being invaded and my fellow citizens are being slaughtered because some people are throwing a hissy fit.
 
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Well, looks like that chart is outdated, as there are protests in Tunisia and Morocco, etc. So, maybe 0.02% instead?
 
You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to hoojacks again.
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In other words, this video was just the latest excuse to protest and be violent toward the West. I also get your point that it is a small minority, as well.
 
maxiep said:
Good point. Repped. However, that doesn't absolve their governments from blame. It was all the more reason that we needed a strong defense from our President and State Department espousing our values. Explain how our country is different and never apologize for it. And the governments of Egypt and Libya should have been on notice that if any of our embassies or consulates were touched, our response would be swift and severe. Instead, we give an apology for offending them. Fuck that. Frankly, I'M offended by my embassies and consulates are being invaded and my fellow citizens are being slaughtered because some people are throwing a hissy fit.
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I think I agree with everything you said here. Although I want to be slightly apologetic, but perhaps there isn't an appropriately complex way to do so.

e:something along the lines of "I'm sorry some jerk said these things about your religious icon, but just like he, the jerk, has the freedom to say rude things you have the freedom to call him an infidel. That does not excuse you to act in anger, only speak in anger."
 
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maxiep said:
In other words, this video was just the latest excuse to protest and be violent toward the West. I also get your point that it is a small minority, as well.
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Some people (~0.02%) will take any excuse to protest and be violent.
 
maxiep said:
MARIS, if I would have been alive during the Holocaust, I would have likely parished with the rest of my grandfather's family, buried in a mass grave outside of Minsk. At least they didn't have to endure a concentration camp; they were each just shot in the head.
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Hopefully, no one would have found humor in your death, as you so obviously do in the death of others.
 
maxiep said:
Wow. I knew you often post unseriously and outrageously on this board simply to elicit a reaction, but I never thought you needed help with your reading comprehension. I have stated several times that what keeps me from being a Libertarian completely is the Party's foreign policy and drugs. Okay, then. Carry on with your idiocy.
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Since those are the major differences between the Libertarian and Republican Parties we can now lay to rest your denial that you are somehow not a Republican? :dunno:
 
maxiep said:
In other words, this video was just the latest excuse to protest and be violent toward the West. I also get your point that it is a small minority, as well.
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To be more transparent, this video was just the latest deliberate terrorist act by christians intended to provoke violence toward the West in order to force an escalation of war against muslims.
 
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