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Interesting that there is such a backlash to that low "handheld" camera angle with the action coming at you. I see that is how a bunch of you guys feel. I can tell you that all directors do this. TNT/ESPN/ABC Even in football when there is a long bomb in the corner or a breakaway run, they go to that camera. I kinda like it, feeling that it makes you feel you are there. You guys just feel you are missing something when they go to that or the "slam cam"?

I can't speak for everyone here, but I also hate the random camera angles on the National broadcasts.

TNT actually lets you (or used to?) watch games for free using TNT overtime. I would never watch it for more than a few minutes because all of the camera angles were pretty much unwatchable.
 
I think it was Fox that used to do what I called the "turn three zoom cam" and it drove me nuts. Every single lap, they'd cut from camera to camera, following a particular car, and every time the car hit turn three, the camera would be super wide and then zoom in tight on the car. It was an interesting effect and made for some pretty cool highlight shots, but it got really fucking old after a couple hundred laps...

I think Fox and NBC both cover Nascar, Fox seems to put more effort and money into the broadcast. It's the same with football, the Fox broadcasts are much better than CBS.
 
TNT actually lets you (or used to?) watch games for free using TNT overtime. I would never watch it for more than a few angles because all of the camera angles were pretty much unwatchable.

That TNT overtime thing is garbage.
 
I will pass it up the ladder, but maybe we could work something out and have some guys every now and then sit in the truck during a broadcast and not just get a tour, but put the headsets on and see all that it takes to get the game broadcast. Might change the perspective. We aren't sitting on a couch with a beer picking camera angles. No promises, but we might be able to work out something.
I know a person or two have shat on the entirety of you and your crew - but I hope you realize that that's not group consensus. You and your crew do a great job. The only issue are the alternate camera angles used during live action. They are fine for replays, but baseline and overhead cameras should never be used during live action. Sitting in the truck with you guys will not change this. If you can get your crew to fix this one issue nobody will ever have anything to complain about with regards to the quality of the broadcasts.
 
Having fancy angles is great for replays, but when the game is live I don't want to see fancy angles. I want to watch from the classic sideline angle so I can see the action. I don't want to watch guys run with a view from behind them. I don't want to feel like I'm sitting on the court when the game is live. I just want to watch the game. I shouldn't have to miss action because you guys get caught with your pants down zooming in on Aminu's dimple.

This has NOTHING to do with what you guys have done with replays. You do great work, and if you have helped get us wins, good on you. Props for everyone. You shall receive a gold star for your services.

What we are talking about is the camera angles during live action. We as fans don't give a rats ass about your beautiful art. We just want to watch the game.

PS - Sly is a company shill.
 
How do I reply to these well thought out, well composed educated posts..........

Broadcasting LIVE action sports is a tricky business. A LOT goes into showing you guys the action. Now covering soccer, golf or baseball is COMPLETELY different. Those sports are very slow and you have time to set shots and other content up. Basketball is probably one of the fastest to work along with Volleyball or LaCrosse or arena football, but who watches those?

That said, I believe Sly mentioned above that there are over 200 trips up and down the court on average during a game and you guys are bitching about a handful of mistakes. Albeit they were key plays, shit happens. If it makes you feel better (I'm sure it won't) but of my basically 12 cameras I had access to last night, only ONE was focussed on Davis during that steal. Every other camera was focussed on what we call a HERO shot of whoever had just made a key play or whoever the MIKES are speaking of.

You see mistakes when we cover the Ducks football games quite a bit actually. There speed and type of play fakes out our camera guys all the time.

Now this Yuyza person on here. Bro I gave you my man's Twitter handle out of respect to you to maybe vent some frustrations or maybe pass along some ideas. But you coming on here putting my people on blast about an industry you know nothing about is a tad ridiculous. Jeff Curtin is our Director of Broadcasting along with being our director of the actual broadcast. This dude knows his shit. For you to call us the "Worst in the business", really?

I don't see threads on here after the 5-10 times a game over the past 12 years I've found that one frame of the ball going off the other teams finger, or a toe on the line that gave the other team a 2 instead of a 3. Or when everybody on twitter is all screaming because they don't know why Dame is limping and I fly back an hour of game action and analyze 12 different camera angles to find where he hurt his arm WHILE THE GOD DAMN GAME IS STILL BEING PLAYED! So then everybody can tweet about it when they see our replays as if they have that INSIDE info. I can actually think of 3 games that our replays from those angles have actually won us a game. And we have been acknowledged about this from the President and head coach.

At the league meetings in New York, every year Blazers Broadcasting is singled out as leading the league in not only interesting ways to get sponsored elements on air (See: Wear in the World, where now about 5 or 6 other teams have straight up ripped that idea off and use now themselves) but also creating graphic packages that nobody can touch. Everywhere we go around the NBA other teams media and or broadcasts teams give us props. BB is pretty damn respected in the broadcast community.

As a reminder we have also won an Emmy for our "Worst" broadcast in the league. We beat out quite a few quality broadcasts for this honor. Mariners/Seahawks/Timbers/Pac12 and others. That may not ring true or not hold much credibility with some on here, but in my industry, that literally is the gold standard.

I never thought about this before I got into this industry, but what a lot of people don't realize or know is that the only reason to broadcast games in the first place is to get our sponsors..... Wells Fargo..... for example message on the air. WITHOUT the sponsors money, we wouldn't be on the air. So the fact that we can get all that promotional info out, please them, AND get a ball game on the air is amazing if you ask me.

Now you can take this "rant" how you want, obviously because you are critiquing ME and MY team, but I think if you look at the 75 games or so we've played and multiply that by the 200 trips a game, I believe we are covering the game quite nicely. I'm biased because I'm part of this, but I think it would be interesting to set a camera up and analyze EVERY move YOU make at work. Breaking down how you pump the gas or wash the windshield. Or how well and fast you change the hotdogs on that thing that rolls them around. Grandma used to tell me when you are pointing a finger at somebody, look down and there are 3 pointing right back at you.

Now I think the proper way to handle your critiques and frustrations of all your expert eyes of Broadcast Television would be to have a sticky thread at the top where you guys can voice your opinion in a polite professional matter. You clowns coming on here blasting everybody and everything about Blazer Broadcasting isn't helping. My man Jeff reads this forum on the regular, and I can promise you if you critiques hold merit he'll see 'em. Whatever you think of me, read what I posted and really think about it.

And one last thing...... I've said this before......do me a favor and mix in some other teams broadcasts and I think you'll see ours in a different light.


tl:dr (says the author of some of the longest posts in forum history)

J/K, I read it and appreciated it, but was going to post this even before I did:

Worst in the business? No way, not even close Typical fan overreaction. I haven't seen the work of every broadcast team in the league, but I've seen enough to know that Blazers Broadcasting is one of the better ones. Perfect? No, but who is? I will say, that I enjoy being able to watch the games and, in general, am very happy with the quality of my viewing experience. So, props to THE HCP and the rest of the Blazer Broadcasting team.

As HCP mentions, basketball is a very fast moving sport. And like most cases, professionals who do it every day make it look much easier than it is (insert obligatory racist landscape maintenance joke here). So, when those professionals fuck up, people notice. Other than a couple overly negative overreactions, nobody is complaining about the quality of the replays, highlight packages, pregame/postgame or general production values. It's one very specific complaint, that should be correctable: the camera angles and shots during live action.

I'm not sure who makes those decisions in real time and don't really care. I just know this, when the action is live, I want to see the action. I don't want to see the players reactions, until there is a dead ball. The rule should be simple: during live action show the action. Save the artsy-farsty, creative stuff for time outs and other breaks in the action. You're right, basketball is a very fast moving sport. So, that means being MORE conservative, NOT more creative on the camera angles during play.

Myself, and several others here have expressed disappointment in not seeing the Crowder 3-pointer as it happen. Missing that key play definitely detracted from my viewing experience. It was a lead changing shot with 1:08 left in a very intense game. I really did not need to see a close up of Aminu's facial expression while the ball was still in play. A very poor decision by whoever makes those decisions. Again, keep it simple. Until the ref blows the whistle to stop play, keep the live camera focused on the action. When discussing the previous night's Blazers game with my co-workers, never once have I heard anyone say, yeah, it was a great win, but I really wish the camera angles would have been more creative.

So, again, thanks to you and your team for your hard work and the quality of the product you produce for my entertainment, but in the future please tell those who make these decisions, that this fan would prefer simple over fancy when it comes to live action. I'd rather see a boring camera angle of an exciting play, than a creative shot that leads to missing one millisecond of live action. As you said, basketball is a fast moving sport. You never know in advance when that critical millisecond will occur. So, show them all and use your creative talents during dead ball situations. There are plenty of those to fill during every NBA game.

BNM
 


ESPN's highlight video uses all Blazers broadcasting.....until they switch to the Celtics broadcast to show Crowder's three. Never seen this happen before.


Thanks for posting that. It's the first time I've actually seen the Crowder 3-pointer. Yep, that's the proper, conservative camera angle for that play.

BNM
 
Having fancy angles is great for replays, but when the game is live I don't want to see fancy angles. I want to watch from the classic sideline angle so I can see the action. I don't want to watch guys run with a view from behind them. I don't want to feel like I'm sitting on the court when the game is live. I just want to watch the game. I shouldn't have to miss action because you guys get caught with your pants down zooming in on Aminu's dimple.

This has NOTHING to do with what you guys have done with replays. You do great work, and if you have helped get us wins, good on you. Props for everyone. You shall receive a gold star for your services.

What we are talking about is the camera angles during live action. We as fans don't give a rats ass about your beautiful art. We just want to watch the game.

PS - Sly is a company shill.

Well said. Made my point for me in far fewer words.

BNM
 
How do I reply to these well thought out, well composed educated posts..........

Broadcasting LIVE action sports is a tricky business. A LOT goes into showing you guys the action. Now covering soccer, golf or baseball is COMPLETELY different. Those sports are very slow and you have time to set shots and other content up. Basketball is probably one of the fastest to work along with Volleyball or LaCrosse or arena football, but who watches those?

That said, I believe Sly mentioned above that there are over 200 trips up and down the court on average during a game and you guys are bitching about a handful of mistakes. Albeit they were key plays, shit happens. If it makes you feel better (I'm sure it won't) but of my basically 12 cameras I had access to last night, only ONE was focussed on Davis during that steal. Every other camera was focussed on what we call a HERO shot of whoever had just made a key play or whoever the MIKES are speaking of.

You see mistakes when we cover the Ducks football games quite a bit actually. There speed and type of play fakes out our camera guys all the time.

Now this Yuyza person on here. Bro I gave you my man's Twitter handle out of respect to you to maybe vent some frustrations or maybe pass along some ideas. But you coming on here putting my people on blast about an industry you know nothing about is a tad ridiculous. Jeff Curtin is our Director of Broadcasting along with being our director of the actual broadcast. This dude knows his shit. For you to call us the "Worst in the business", really?

I don't see threads on here after the 5-10 times a game over the past 12 years I've found that one frame of the ball going off the other teams finger, or a toe on the line that gave the other team a 2 instead of a 3. Or when everybody on twitter is all screaming because they don't know why Dame is limping and I fly back an hour of game action and analyze 12 different camera angles to find where he hurt his arm WHILE THE GOD DAMN GAME IS STILL BEING PLAYED! So then everybody can tweet about it when they see our replays as if they have that INSIDE info. I can actually think of 3 games that our replays from those angles have actually won us a game. And we have been acknowledged about this from the President and head coach.

At the league meetings in New York, every year Blazers Broadcasting is singled out as leading the league in not only interesting ways to get sponsored elements on air (See: Wear in the World, where now about 5 or 6 other teams have straight up ripped that idea off and use now themselves) but also creating graphic packages that nobody can touch. Everywhere we go around the NBA other teams media and or broadcasts teams give us props. BB is pretty damn respected in the broadcast community.

As a reminder we have also won an Emmy for our "Worst" broadcast in the league. We beat out quite a few quality broadcasts for this honor. Mariners/Seahawks/Timbers/Pac12 and others. That may not ring true or not hold much credibility with some on here, but in my industry, that literally is the gold standard.

I never thought about this before I got into this industry, but what a lot of people don't realize or know is that the only reason to broadcast games in the first place is to get our sponsors..... Wells Fargo..... for example message on the air. WITHOUT the sponsors money, we wouldn't be on the air. So the fact that we can get all that promotional info out, please them, AND get a ball game on the air is amazing if you ask me.

Now you can take this "rant" how you want, obviously because you are critiquing ME and MY team, but I think if you look at the 75 games or so we've played and multiply that by the 200 trips a game, I believe we are covering the game quite nicely. I'm biased because I'm part of this, but I think it would be interesting to set a camera up and analyze EVERY move YOU make at work. Breaking down how you pump the gas or wash the windshield. Or how well and fast you change the hotdogs on that thing that rolls them around. Grandma used to tell me when you are pointing a finger at somebody, look down and there are 3 pointing right back at you.

Now I think the proper way to handle your critiques and frustrations of all your expert eyes of Broadcast Television would be to have a sticky thread at the top where you guys can voice your opinion in a polite professional matter. You clowns coming on here blasting everybody and everything about Blazer Broadcasting isn't helping. My man Jeff reads this forum on the regular, and I can promise you if you critiques hold merit he'll see 'em. Whatever you think of me, read what I posted and really think about it.

And one last thing...... I've said this before......do me a favor and mix in some other teams broadcasts and I think you'll see ours in a different light.
I liked the post but I hate it when people leave out the NHL? It's the fastest sport around. What about NASCAR or does that not count as a sport?
 
I think Fox and NBC both cover Nascar, Fox seems to put more effort and money into the broadcast. It's the same with football, the Fox broadcasts are much better than CBS.
It's been a few years since they did the zoom cam thing. I mostly watch races on the NASCAR Race View app on my phone, which is pretty cool if you (like me) don't have a TV.
 
I liked the post but I hate it when people leave out the NHL? It's the fastest sport around. What about NASCAR or does that not count as a sport?

NASCAR is fast, but you always know where they're going in advance (turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, repeat a few hundred times).

BNM
 
How do I reply to these well thought out, well composed educated posts..........

Broadcasting LIVE action sports is a tricky business. A LOT goes into showing you guys the action. Now covering soccer, golf or baseball is COMPLETELY different. Those sports are very slow and you have time to set shots and other content up. Basketball is probably one of the fastest to work along with Volleyball or LaCrosse or arena football, but who watches those?

That said, I believe Sly mentioned above that there are over 200 trips up and down the court on average during a game and you guys are bitching about a handful of mistakes. Albeit they were key plays, shit happens. If it makes you feel better (I'm sure it won't) but of my basically 12 cameras I had access to last night, only ONE was focussed on Davis during that steal. Every other camera was focussed on what we call a HERO shot of whoever had just made a key play or whoever the MIKES are speaking of.

You see mistakes when we cover the Ducks football games quite a bit actually. There speed and type of play fakes out our camera guys all the time.

Now this Yuyza person on here. Bro I gave you my man's Twitter handle out of respect to you to maybe vent some frustrations or maybe pass along some ideas. But you coming on here putting my people on blast about an industry you know nothing about is a tad ridiculous. Jeff Curtin is our Director of Broadcasting along with being our director of the actual broadcast. This dude knows his shit. For you to call us the "Worst in the business", really?

I don't see threads on here after the 5-10 times a game over the past 12 years I've found that one frame of the ball going off the other teams finger, or a toe on the line that gave the other team a 2 instead of a 3. Or when everybody on twitter is all screaming because they don't know why Dame is limping and I fly back an hour of game action and analyze 12 different camera angles to find where he hurt his arm WHILE THE GOD DAMN GAME IS STILL BEING PLAYED! So then everybody can tweet about it when they see our replays as if they have that INSIDE info. I can actually think of 3 games that our replays from those angles have actually won us a game. And we have been acknowledged about this from the President and head coach.

At the league meetings in New York, every year Blazers Broadcasting is singled out as leading the league in not only interesting ways to get sponsored elements on air (See: Wear in the World, where now about 5 or 6 other teams have straight up ripped that idea off and use now themselves) but also creating graphic packages that nobody can touch. Everywhere we go around the NBA other teams media and or broadcasts teams give us props. BB is pretty damn respected in the broadcast community.

As a reminder we have also won an Emmy for our "Worst" broadcast in the league. We beat out quite a few quality broadcasts for this honor. Mariners/Seahawks/Timbers/Pac12 and others. That may not ring true or not hold much credibility with some on here, but in my industry, that literally is the gold standard.

I never thought about this before I got into this industry, but what a lot of people don't realize or know is that the only reason to broadcast games in the first place is to get our sponsors..... Wells Fargo..... for example message on the air. WITHOUT the sponsors money, we wouldn't be on the air. So the fact that we can get all that promotional info out, please them, AND get a ball game on the air is amazing if you ask me.

Now you can take this "rant" how you want, obviously because you are critiquing ME and MY team, but I think if you look at the 75 games or so we've played and multiply that by the 200 trips a game, I believe we are covering the game quite nicely. I'm biased because I'm part of this, but I think it would be interesting to set a camera up and analyze EVERY move YOU make at work. Breaking down how you pump the gas or wash the windshield. Or how well and fast you change the hotdogs on that thing that rolls them around. Grandma used to tell me when you are pointing a finger at somebody, look down and there are 3 pointing right back at you.

Now I think the proper way to handle your critiques and frustrations of all your expert eyes of Broadcast Television would be to have a sticky thread at the top where you guys can voice your opinion in a polite professional matter. You clowns coming on here blasting everybody and everything about Blazer Broadcasting isn't helping. My man Jeff reads this forum on the regular, and I can promise you if you critiques hold merit he'll see 'em. Whatever you think of me, read what I posted and really think about it.

And one last thing...... I've said this before......do me a favor and mix in some other teams broadcasts and I think you'll see ours in a different light.

/thread
 
NASCAR is fast, but you always know where they're going in advance (turn left, turn left, turn left, turn left, repeat a few hundred times).

BNM
You might now where they go in advance but there's always a chance of a good crash happening. As for the NHL, not only is it the fastest, There is no out of bounds and always body contact going on.
 
What's amazing to me is last night late in the game there were a couple of fouls called, Mike and Mike were calling BS, no foul, and with in a few seconds HCP had reviewed and edited the replay and the control room was telling the Mikes it was a foul. Then the replay is shown on TV. Usually before the player steps to the line to shoot free throws.

The "one of the Mike's got it wrong" drinking game is the fastest way in history to get blitzed.
 
You might now where they go in advance but there's always a chance of a good crash happening.

Yep, that's why they set up multiple stationary cameras around the course. That way if they miss a crash during the live feed, they can cut to a replay. Again, having a fixed course with all cars going in the same direction, makes it easier than a sport with random action in multiple directions. Not saying it's easy, but it's all relative.

BNM
 
Yep, that's why they set up multiple stationary cameras around the course. That way if they miss a crash during the live feed, they can cut to a replay. Again, having a fixed course with all cars going in the same direction, makes it easier than a sport with random action in multiple directions. Not saying it's easy, but it's all relative.

BNM

It's not like 99% of the action doesn't happen in the same 90' x 40' area in basketball. Just be confident enough in the excitement of Blazer basketball to say "you know what, the standard camera is good for live action in the fourth quarter."
 
This is why I watch illegal streams.... you ain't gettin my money HCP!
 
It's not like 99% of the action doesn't happen in the same 90' x 40' area in basketball. Just be confident enough in the excitement of Blazer basketball to say "you know what, the standard camera is good for live action in the fourth quarter."

They don't want to do that because that would make their jobs incredibly boring.

Step 1 - set up camera

Step 2 - hit record

Obviously they would have to go to commercials and stuff, but they want drama! They want action! They want to show their skills and their art. Meanwhile, we're just trying to watch basketball.
 
They don't want to do that because that would make their jobs incredibly boring.

Step 1 - set up camera

Step 2 - hit record

Obviously they would have to go to commercials and stuff, but they want drama! They want action! They want to show their skills and their art. Meanwhile, we're just trying to watch basketball.

I don't think it's that; I genuinely think they think it's making the experience better. I disagree with their opinion on the matter, but I think they want to prioritize high quality presentation.

It's little things, mostly: They zoom in a bit too much, which made sense when TV's were 4:3 and small. Now we all have 50" TV's, and can see the action fine. Zoom out a bit so we see the entire half court earlier in the play. The ball handler can be a little bit more to the edges of the 16:9 frame to accommodate this...

They linger too long on reaction shots after makes; the game has sped up in the back court, but they still linger on a reaction shot until the ball handler is at half court. But we have a guy who specifically does a one-man press twice or three times a game. Let's see him do his work!

I have similar nit-picks about everything in life, which is why I don't have any friends.
 
And one last thing...... I've said this before......do me a favor and mix in some other teams broadcasts and I think you'll see ours in a different light.

I do this on a semi-regular basis. I like Mike and Mike, but I also like to tune into national and opponent broadcasts to get a fresh perspective on how others around the league perceive our team and our players. I fucking hate the Clippers and their whining, but respect Ralph Lawler's knowledge of the game. I HATE Houston's whining and flopping on the court, and if it's possible, their announcers are even worse - the worst business (and this time, I mean it). The Kings may suck on the court, but their team of Grant Napear and Jerry Reynolds are first rate. The Knicks also suck on the court, but Mike Breen and Walt Frazier have great chemistry and are very knowledgeable. Both UTA and MIN also have good on air talent. I can't remember all the names, but both teams are credible and very listenable for a fan of the opposing team.

But, that's just the announcers, I don't really tune into other broadcasts to evaluate their camera angles - unless they miss a key play.

BNM
 
I don't think it's that; I genuinely think they think it's making the experience better. I disagree with their opinion on the matter, but I think they want to prioritize high quality presentation.

It's little things, mostly: They zoom in a bit too much, which made sense when TV's were 4:3 and small. Now we all have 50" TV's, and can see the action fine. Zoom out a bit so we see the entire half court earlier in the play. The ball handler can be a little bit more to the edges of the 16:9 frame to accommodate this...

They linger too long on reaction shots after makes; the game has sped up in the back court, but they still linger on a reaction shot until the ball handler is at half court. But we have a guy who specifically does a one-man press twice or three times a game. Let's see him do his work!

I have similar nit-picks about everything in life, which is why I don't have any friends.

The bar is already so low because it's comcast....
 
Interesting that there is such a backlash to that low "handheld" camera angle with the action coming at you. I see that is how a bunch of you guys feel. I can tell you that all directors do this. TNT/ESPN/ABC Even in football when there is a long bomb in the corner or a breakaway run, they go to that camera. I kinda like it, feeling that it makes you feel you are there. You guys just feel you are missing something when they go to that or the "slam cam"?

Again, use those camera angles for the instant replay during a stoppage in the action. Getting too creative during live action leads to missing key plays, like Crowder's lead-changing 3-pointer last night. Sure, show me the emotion on Aminu's face during the next dead ball. During live action, I'd rather see that actual play 100 times out of 100.

BNM
 
I got the opportunity to sit in the truck with HCP a couple years ago and it was awesome! It's controlled chaos. My head would explode if I had to juggle everything they do and do it on the fly.
 
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Well said.
 

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