Politics Psychedelic mushroom legalization effort in Oregon gets ballot language approval

[SlyPokerDog]

PORTLAND — Oregon’s attorney general has approved language for a ballot measure to make psychedelic mushrooms legal.

Oregon Public Broadcasting reports that the measure would reduce criminal penalties for the manufacture, delivery and possession of psilocybin — the hallucinogen contained in psychedelic mushrooms.

The Oregon Psilocybin Society plans this month to start gathering the 140,000 signatures necessary to get the measure onto the ballot in 2020.

The number of signatures required is nearly equal to the population of Salem.

The federal government controlled use of mushrooms in the 1970s.

A spokeswoman for Oregon's top prosecutor, Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum, tells OPB the agency doesn't typically comment on ballot measures.

A similar effort to legalize in California failed recently.

--The Associated Press

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Best to let some other state try it first.

 

[oldmangrouch]

Reducing penalties is not the same as legalization.

 

[MarAzul]

A spokeswoman for Oregon's top prosecutor, Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum, tells OPB the agency doesn't typically comment on ballot measures.

What is the statement from the Oregon AG all about?

 

[riverman]

I don't even want to think about how many ways this could backfire....I think they'll destroy your liver and would hate to think what idiot drivers would use them on the roads I drive on. I don't think they should be any different than any other toxic mushroom in the woods because in the end, that's what they are...mild poison.

 

[Chris Craig]

Whats next? LSD?

 

[donkiez]

You guys are funny. Magic mushroom are great and actually safer than any other drug out there... Look it up. They also are very effective in treating depression, anxiety and PTSD. They don't destroy your liver and like any substance you shouldn't drive while using them.

 

[donkiez]

Whats next? LSD?

Sure why not? Seriously. Drug use should not be illegal. It should be regulated and treated like a social issue not a criminal one.

 

[stampedehero]

I don't even want to think about how many ways this could backfire....I think they'll destroy your liver and would hate to think what idiot drivers would use them on the roads I drive on. I don't think they should be any different than any other toxic mushroom in the woods because in the end, that's what they are...mild poison.

Riv...Right on target. Schrums are not for reality. Years and years ago I went to a hockey game with my friend who was also the driver. That guy freaked me out and I was already freaked from the entertaining game with seats on the blue line. I see the value of Schrums for people in hospice.

 

[stampedehero]

Whats next? LSD?

They could add a new energy drink to the Monster line with this fungi.

 

[Lanny]

There used to be a Catholic Nunnery on Kruse way in what's now Lake Oswego. They raised cows which dumped a lot of shit on the pasture. Mushrooms grew like crazy, especially psychedelic mushrooms. Hippies would go there to pick psychedelic mushrooms which drove the Nuns nuts.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Reducing penalties is not the same as legalization.

True. The article is actually inaccurate (or at least incomplete) in its characterization of the measure. Per the actual measure text, it would establish a program that would license people to manufacture, sell, and possess psilocybin.

 

[riverman]

Magic mushroom are great and actually safer than any other drug out there..

Couldn't disagree more.....I'm a mushroom hunter and have been told by many mycologists that the hallucinations from mushrooms is actually the body freaking out from trying to process it. I've been told it's similar to the effect rat poison has on a dying rat that's ingested it only it's not lethal after about 8 hours and the body eventually accepts it. The liver however I'm told suffers trying to deal with the toxins and if too large a dose is ingested it can contribute to recurring panic attacks ...like many things it's a matter of knowing your doses but as a medicinal drug...it needs to be supervised and like fentanyl and other designer drugs...this one in my view will not be used responsibly for the most part as in visionary spiritual experiences...

 

[donkiez]

Couldn't disagree more.....I'm a mushroom hunter and have been told by many mycologists that the hallucinations from mushrooms is actually the body freaking out from trying to process it. I've been told it's similar to the effect rat poison has on a dying rat that's ingested it only it's not lethal after about 8 hours and the body eventually accepts it. The liver however I'm told suffers trying to deal with the toxins and if too large a dose is ingested it can contribute to recurring panic attacks ...like many things it's a matter of knowing your doses but as a medicinal drug...it needs to be supervised and like fentanyl and other designer drugs...this one in my view will not be used responsibly for the most part as in visionary spiritual experiences...

Im sorry but your not basing your opinion on any facts at all. The only thing you said that is true is that you can have a panic attack from taking too much, but that also has been proven in studies to need less medical treatment than even cannabis panic attacks and those panic attacks are not reoccurring. Psilocybin has no relation to rat poison, I think your confusing that with some misconceptions about the LSD manufacturing process. I suggest you do some reading and not relying on your buddies opinion on this subject, because your buddies are just plain wrong and you are wayyyy off base. The only risk to your liver is mistaking them for a poison variety.

 

[riverman]

Psilocybin has no relation to rat poison, I think your confusing that with some misconceptions about the LSD manufacturing process.

I've not stated this at all..I think you're sort of going off track as to my comparison...rat poison is a chemical and mushroom problems occur from mold and mildew that is not present in the laboratory...in tribal rituals they are also supervised by a shaman ...my point is they are not just this "fun" drug that's harmless. I'm no chemist or scientist but I personally have never felt that mushroom hallucinations did anything of benefit to my physical health ...Leary talked of using them and LSD to treat psychosis...I cannot speak to those trials...currently I know they are legal in Austria....you're welcome to put your faith in them, as I will still caution the curious amongst us to avoid ingesting them. According to mycologists....they are a toxic mushroom ..the body naturally tries to reject them by vomiting...and yes...all of my posts here are opinion and experience based...my ex coworkers brother was a regular mushroom user and was hospitalized from a large dose....he never recovered...he's withdrawn and unable to cope with simple social contact..has been for decades...there's a truth for you...

 

[riverman]

The mushrooms containing psilocybin are known as magic mushrooms.

Psilocybin is a schedule-I controlled substance, meaning that it has a high potential for abuse and serves no legitimate medical purpose.

Individuals use psilocybin as a recreational drug. It provides feelings of euphoria and sensory distortion that are common to hallucinogenic drugs, such as LSD.

Although it is not considered an addictive substance, users can experience disturbing hallucinations, anxiety, and panic from using psilocybin.

Fast facts on psilocybin

• Psilocybin has both positive and negative physical and psychological effects.
• Psilocybin is not naturally addictive.
• The drug can trigger psychotic episodes.
• Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness face an increased risk of an adverse psychiatric reaction to psilocybin.

 

[donkiez]

I've not stated this at all..I think you're sort of going off track as to my comparison...rat poison is a chemical and mushroom problems occur from mold and mildew that is not present in the laboratory...in tribal rituals they are also supervised by a shaman ...my point is they are not just this "fun" drug that's harmless. I'm no chemist or scientist but I personally have never felt that mushroom hallucinations did anything of benefit to my physical health ...Leary talked of using them and LSD to treat psychosis...I cannot speak to those trials...currently I know they are legal in Austria....you're welcome to put your faith in them, as I will still caution the curious amongst us to avoid ingesting them. According to mycologists....they are a toxic mushroom

Fair enough on the mildew associated with mushrooms, but that has nothing to do with the mushroom itself and most mushrooms consumed are actually grown by people rather than picked. Really that is the same as saying marijuana is a terrible drug because some people use pesticides on it. One of the main problems with any illegal drug is that the manufacturing process is not regulated and the drug is not tested so dosage and impurities are unknown. No drug is completely harmless, but we currently have legal drugs that are considered much more harmfull than mushrooms. Not every trip has to be a voyage into the unknown, micro dosing is a popular thing these days. A dosage of about a half gram has similar effects to getting stoned and is often used by veryintelligent people to increase creativity.

The mushrooms containing psilocybin are known as magic mushrooms.

Psilocybin is a schedule-I controlled substance, meaning that it has a high potential for abuse and serves no legitimate medical purpose.

Individuals use psilocybin as a recreational drug. It provides feelings of euphoria and sensory distortion that are common to hallucinogenic drugs, such as LSD.

Although it is not considered an addictive substance, users can experience disturbing hallucinations, anxiety, and panic from using psilocybin.

Fast facts on psilocybin

• Psilocybin has both positive and negative physical and psychological effects.
• Psilocybin is not naturally addictive.
• The drug can trigger psychotic episodes.
• Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness face an increased risk of an adverse psychiatric reaction to psilocybin.

Everything you said here could also be said for marijuana. Schizophrenics are not recommend either drug and marijuana can induce psychotic episodes also. Marijuana is also currently a schedule 1 controlled substance with no known medical purpose according to the federal government.

I think we would both agree that this is not true for marijuana, which should make you suspicious about your information on psilocybin. Besides PTSD, anxiety and depression have you ever heard of cluster headaches?

 

[Hoopguru]

The mushrooms containing psilocybin are known as magic mushrooms.

Psilocybin is a schedule-I controlled substance, meaning that it has a high potential for abuse and serves no legitimate medical purpose.

Individuals use psilocybin as a recreational drug. It provides feelings of euphoria and sensory distortion that are common to hallucinogenic drugs, such as LSD.

Although it is not considered an addictive substance, users can experience disturbing hallucinations, anxiety, and panic from using psilocybin.

Fast facts on psilocybin

• Psilocybin has both positive and negative physical and psychological effects.
• Psilocybin is not naturally addictive.
• The drug can trigger psychotic episodes.
• Individuals with a family history of schizophrenia or early onset mental illness face an increased risk of an adverse psychiatric reaction to psilocybin.

I agree with your caution with these.
All you have to do is look at all the mentally handicapped people there are and no a % is from using to many drugs, or the wrong drug.

 

[donkiez]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...afest-recreational-drug-study-says/341691001/

Are magic mushrooms safe?

A new survey found that when it comes to recreational drug use, magic mushrooms appear to be the safest drug.

Only .2% of almost 10,000 people who reported taking psilocybin hallucinogenic mushrooms in 2016 reported that they needed emergency medical treatment, according to the annual Global Drug Survey. The survey, of more than 120,000 participants in 50 countries, found that the rates of emergency medical treatment for MDMA, LSD, alcohol and cocaine were almost five times higher.

Magic mushrooms can be risky and cause panic attacks or confusion, Adam Winstock, a consultant addiction psychiatrist and founder of the Global Drug Survey told the Guardian.

“Combined use with alcohol and use within risky or unfamiliar settings increase the risks of harm most commonly accidental injury, panic and short-lived confusion, disorientation, and fears of losing one’s mind,” Winstock told the Guardian.

Just weeks ago, a tourist died after jumping from a fifth-floor balcony after consuming orange juice laced with magic mushrooms, the Tribun Bali reported.



But while there have been unfortunate incidents involving mushrooms, there have been studies that have shown psilocybin mushrooms could help treat severe depression and anxiety.

The report found that LSD users were more than five times as likely as medical mushroom users to seek emergency medical treatment, possibly because of “great difficulties” in accurately identifying how much to take of the drug.

The report found that people in Colombia, New Zealand, Norway and Mexico were most likely to find and pick magic mushrooms themselves.

 

[riverman]

Fair enough on the mildew associated with mushrooms, but that has nothing to do with the mushroom itself and most mushrooms consumed are actually grown by people rather than picked. Really that is the same as saying marijuana is a terrible drug because some people use pesticides on it. One of the main problems with any illegal drug is that the manufacturing process is not regulated and the drug is not tested so dosage and impurities are unknown. No drug is completely harmless, but we currently have legal drugs that are considered much more harmfull than mushrooms. Not every trip has to be a voyage into the unknown, micro dosing is a popular thing these days. A dosage of about a half gram has similar effects to getting stoned and is often used by veryintelligent people to increase creativity.



Everything you said here could also be said for marijuana. Schizophrenics are not recommend either drug and marijuana can induce psychotic episodes also. Marijuana is also currently a schedule 1 controlled substance with no known medical purpose according to the federal government.

I think we would both agree that this is not true for marijuana, which should make you suspicious about your information on psilocybin. Besides PTSD, anxiety and depression have you ever heard of cluster headaches?

yes I've heard of them..cluster headaches....and I've experimented with two varieties of magic mushrooms ..for the euphoria they can offer...I contend the body is drained and weakened from ingesting them. Recovering from them is a less than creative experience in my view....your view of them is one I used to have...that they can be used in proper dosage for creative or spiritual experiences.....my point is much like alcohol they have a price in the end to physical well being and doctors know they can trigger mental illness...I gave up alcohol the same way I gave up shrooms....for health reasons. I'm a cannabis user and have experienced no ill effects from using it in moderation..my inner traffic light of truth says...the caution light is flashing..

 

[donkiez]

yes I've heard of them..cluster headaches....and I've experimented with two varieties of magic mushrooms ..for the euphoria they can offer...I contend the body is drained and weakened from ingesting them. Recovering from them is a less than creative experience in my view....your view of them is one I used to have...that they can be used in proper dosage for creative or spiritual experiences.....my point is much like alcohol they have a price in the end to physical well being and doctors know they can trigger mental illness...I gave up alcohol the same way I gave up shrooms....for health reasons. I'm a cannabis user and have experienced no ill effects from using it in moderation..my inner traffic light of truth says...the caution light is flashing..

I dont recommend the use of any drug, but I feel as a nation and a society we benefit from an honest realistic discussion on the subject. Drug use in itself should not be illegal, behavior to maintain a habit should though. Our country's drug policy incarcerates millions, has created a unhealthy environment for anyone who uses, and fuels our immigrant and gang issues as well as our police state. Realistically there is a medical use for almost every drug, there are people who will abuse every drug, and people who will responsibly use every drug. The war on drugs is a massive failure, drugs won.

 

[Chris Craig]

Sure why not? Seriously. Drug use should not be illegal. It should be regulated and treated like a social issue not a criminal one.

So cocaine and heroin should be legal?

 

[riverman]

So cocaine and heroin should be legal?

I'm not sure on this issue...decriminalized is probably the answer..works in Holland and addicts don't live with the desperation because they have access. I'm sort of leaning towards the opinion that anything that adds or could add to the mental illness problems we're facing today or the health care burden should be kept in check.

 

[donkiez]

So cocaine and heroin should be legal?

Within reason yes, at the very least decriminalized. Doing cocaine or heroine only harms the user and should not require punishment. The illegal activities required to maintain a habit are the real social problem. By decriminalizing these drugs, addict related crimes would drop dramatically, funding for gang/cartels would be undercut and the money we spend incarcerating our population and funding the DEA could go to education and rehabilitation. Drug use would also become much safer, one of the biggest problems with drug use is that its dangerous taking drugs that have no dosage controls and are full of impurities or other things like stronger drugs such as fentanyl, not to mention increase communicable diseases like hepatitis and HIV.

Drugs are a fact of society and will not go away. Its about mitigating the damage and helping people who need it. Other drugs like mushrooms, LSD and MDMA are not big issues either, with virtually no long term affects to a casual careful user.

Look at what Portugal is doing.

https://www.theguardian.com/news/20...licy-is-working-why-hasnt-the-world-copied-it

 

[ehizzy3]

I really want to try shrooms

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm not sure on this issue...decriminalized is probably the answer..works in Holland and addicts don't live with the desperation because they have access. I'm sort of leaning towards the opinion that anything that adds or could add to the mental illness problems we're facing today or the health care burden should be kept in check.

What's the difference between decriminalized and legal?

 

[stampedehero]

There used to be a Catholic Nunnery on Kruse way in what's now Lake Oswego. They raised cows which dumped a lot of shit on the pasture. Mushrooms grew like crazy, especially psychedelic mushrooms. Hippies would go there to pick psychedelic mushrooms which drove the Nuns nuts.

I would assume you may be the hippie ring leader. hahaha

 

[stampedehero]

What's the difference between decriminalized and legal?

I think Authorities still have the means to fuck you up if you act in a non conforming manner.

 

[dviss1]

I'd vote for decriminalization of EVERY single drug.

When has prohibition EVER worked. It NEVER has.

 

[donkiez]

What's the difference between decriminalized and legal?

Decriminalized means you lessen or remove penalties for use or possession. Usually making it a misdemeanor offense if anything. No more felony possession charges.

Legalized if a full legitimate market opening up, taxed and regulated.

Medical marijuana was decriminalized. Recreational is legalized.