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These freeloaders can't handle paying for a fraction of their benefits.

Check out the bolded. This Kim Hoffman moron thinks that what amounts to a $205k combined income (7% reduction = $1200 month for her) is an everyday occurrence in the private sector.


Thousands of Union Protesters Storm WI State Capitol; Target Homes of GOP Lawmakers

MADISON, Wis. — As four game wardens awkwardly stood guard, protesters, scores deep, crushed into a corridor leading to the governor’s office here on Wednesday, their screams echoing through the Capitol: “Come out, come out, wherever you are!”

Behind closed doors, Scott Walker, the Republican who has been governor for about six weeks, calmly described his intent to forge ahead with the plans that had set off the uprising: He wants to require public workers to pay more for their health insurance and pensions, effectively cutting the take-home pay of many by around 7 percent.

He also wants to weaken most public-sector unions by sharply curtailing their collective bargaining rights, limiting talks to the subject of basic wages.

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Kim Hoffman, a middle school music teacher, said she and her husband, also a teacher, would lose $1,200 a month under the plan — too deep a cut to manage.

“I love teaching, but I’d have to start looking for another job, period,” she said.



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I guess we'll just have to lose this fine woman's contribution. I'll be interested to see how many of these teachers actually quit once unions and tenure is gone. My position is the same as Chris Christie's: Good riddance.

This struggle is like the Spanish Civil War--just a precursor to a much larger conflict over the same ideas.

My personal position is that all public unions should be outlawed. Too many times those in position to give more benefits are beholden to those people to those on which they can confer favors. Employment is a choice. If people find government work so distasteful, they're free to leave.
 
Public-sector freeloaders, your ride is almost over. Time to "pay" your fair share (even though it is still the private sector providing for you).

Can't wait until this happens in Oregon. :)

http://maciverinstitute.com/2011/02/labor-leaders-living-large/

The MacIver News Service has examined hundreds of pages of public records available through the U.S. Department of Labor and via the online search site Guidestar and found that many of the most prominent union advocates in the state make well in excess of $100,000 a year in salary alone.

For example, Marty Beil, executive director of American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees (AFSCME )Council 24 SEPAC, made $161,847 in 2008 according to the organization’s Form 990. That’s considerably more than the $144,423 a year Scott Walker makes as Wisconsin’s Governor.

Despite this, Beil has repeatedly attempted to portray Walker as a member of some upper class elite. In December, Beil said Walker’s treatment of state employees was like “the plantation owner talking to the slaves.”


“We’ve moved in Walker’s mentality from public service to public servitude,” Beil said.

Beil also blogged on January 7, 2011, “folks attending the inauguration inside were well clad in their minks, sables, and $1000 suits. During the inauguration, the general public was locked out of their Capitol, which was only accessible through invitation or ticket. A fine example for Scott Walker – governor of the ‘people’.”

The heated rhetoric is not sitting well with some lawmakers in Madison.

“I don’t begrudge anyone an honest day’s pay for an honest day’s work, and the market determines your value,” said Rep. Bill Kramer (R-Waukesha). “But it’s pretty hypocritical to whine about being treated like a slave when you pull down well over 100-grand a year.”

Beil is not the only public sector union leader to be making a six-figure salary, the MacIver News Service discovered. Even his assistant director at AFSME 24 SEPAC, Jana Weaver, made $138,553. In fact, all six full time AFSCME 24 SEPAC employees make six-figure salaries.

The AFSCME Wisconsin State Council, which occupies the same building as SEPAC at 8033 Excelsior Drive in Madison, also has a good number of employees with near six-figure salaries. According to the union’s 2009 LM-2, filed with the U.S. Department of Labor, 16 field representatives make more than $90,000 annually.

Richard Abelson, Executive Director of ASCFME Council 48 in Milwaukee, has in the past accused Walker of stopping the ratification of pending state employee contracts in December, even though the then governor-elect had not yet taken the oath of office.

“Walker’s contempt for working people is boundless,” Abelson wrote in his blog, Direct Talk. “In ‘Scott Walker World,’ there is no CEO who makes enough money and no working person who deserves what he/she earns.”

Abelson made $106,122 in salary in 2009, according to the union’s LM-2.

Since the Democratic-controlled State Senate shot down the state employee contracts in December 2010, the public sector unions have been trying to pressure Governor Walker to reopen negotiations.

Union leaders suspect state employees will be adversely affected by the soon-to-be-introduced budget repair bill, by which Walker will address the state’s $145 million deficit.

“Public employee unions are a creature of state law and there might be consideration of changing that state law to empower the taxpayers of the Wisconsin,” Walker said in December. “We are exploring every option out there.”

The union leaders are pressing for details.

“It’s time for Gov. Walker to discuss shared sacrifice with the dedicated public employees who will make those sacrifices,” said Bryan Kennedy President of AFT-WI, a state government employee union that is a part of the AFL-CIO.

Kennedy wrote a letter to Walker in December in which he said, “No one goes into public service in this state to get rich; rather, we are committed to the public we serve.”

Walker Administration officials have said that requiring state employees to contribute five percent to their pensions and pay twelve percent of their health insurance premiums would save the state tens of millions in the remaining months of the current budget alone. The Governor is expected to unveil his stop-gap budget repair bill within days.

“Our upcoming budget is built on the premise that we must right size our government,” Walker in his State of the State address earlier this month. “That means reforming public employee benefits — as well as reforming entitlement programs and reforming the state’s relationships with local governments.”

In responding to that speech Kennedy said, “Public employees will continue to sacrifice to help with budget woes, but our sacrifices have already been considerable – we are now doing more with less than any time in recent history.”

Kennedy drew a salary of $129,402 in 2008, according to the organization’s tax documents.

To be sure, the labor union wages are not reflective of all state employees. In fact, more than ninety seven percent of state employees (excluding the UW system) make less than $100,000.

The union bosses’ salaries do put them head and shoulders above the average Wisconsinite and the rank and file workers whose plights they regularly bemoan, however.

According to the U.S. Census Bureau, the state’s median individual income for 2009 was $39,718, meanwhile the median wage for state employees was $45,599 according to an analysis of data provided by the Department of Administration.

When benefits are included, the Wisconsin Taxpayers Alliance reports the average state employee total compensation in 2008 was valued at $71,000
; still only around half of what some labor leaders make in salary alone.

Selected Salaries of Labor Union Leaders Source: U.S. Department of Labor and Guidestar 2008, 2009



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Did anyone else see that the Madison School District shut down yesterday because 40% of the teachers called in sick to demonstrate?

Ann Althouse is all over this story: http://althouse.blogspot.com/
 
Did anyone else see that the Madison School District shut down yesterday because 40% of the teachers called in sick to demonstrate?

Ann Althouse is all over this story: http://althouse.blogspot.com/

Most of them are at the capitol today protesting what amounts to a 7% reduction in pay. I doubt that the private citizens facing 100% reductions in pay will have much sympathy for these selfish freeloaders.
 
It should also be pointed out that the fire and police unions are not a part of this bill, which I agree with. They serve an irreplaceable public duty, and should keep all negotiating leverage.
 
Most of them are at the capitol today protesting what amounts to a 7% reduction in pay. I doubt that the private citizens facing 100% reductions in pay will have much sympathy for these selfish freeloaders.

The cartoon you posted said it all. My mother's friend is a teacher in the PPSS who was making $55K a year. She "retired" (locking in her $55K salary as a retirement benefit) and made a "wink-wink" arrangement with her principal where she was then hired back as a "permanent substitute". That job pays her a little over $60K. So for the same job, she more than doubled her salary, and she's still ensured that nice minimum 8% return in her retirement thanks to the "negotiation" with the State. And all I do is hear her bitch about her job. It makes we want to scream.
 
The cartoon you posted said it all. My mother's friend is a teacher in the PPSS who was making $55K a year. She "retired" (locking in her $55K salary as a retirement benefit) and made a "wink-wink" arrangement with her principal where she was then hired back as a "permanent substitute". That job pays her a little over $60K. So for the same job, she more than doubled her salary, and she's still ensured that nice minimum 8% return in her retirement thanks to the "negotiation" with the State. And all I do is hear her bitch about her job. It makes we want to scream.

WI Senate Dems fled the Capitol so the GOP couldn't hold a vote and are rumored to be heading out of state. They need 20 senators for a quorum; there are only 19 GOP members.
 
Seems like an organic, spur-of-the-moment gathering!

http://media.jsonline.com/images/650*433/mjs-hearing_-nws_-sears_-8.jpg

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Also, Obama has taken sides, as Carney said today that this is "an assault on unions". Yes, how dare the WI taxpayers want to try and limit how much of our money these freeloaders can take from them.

Update - now even Obama's own "Organizing for America" website is trying to bus people to Madison.

http://ht.ly/3YtKS

This could be our own Egypt, except the unions will be busted, and not the taxpayers.
 
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where are the pro-union folks in this thread?

Regardless of political preference, is it not considered a dereliction of your duty as a public servant to not show up at a vote?

And if the President/gov't is involved, why isn't it to say "get your ass back there and do your job"?
 
According to the Twitter account of Democrat State Senator Chris Larson from Bay View, "For those looking for us, we are right here, standing with the people of Wisconsin."

In Illinois...
 
the same thing is happening with teachers unions here in CA right now. They don't want to pay for 25% of their benefits so they're going to threaten layoffs to gather public sympathy.
 
the same thing is happening with teachers unions here in CA right now. They don't want to pay for 25% of their benefits so they're going to threaten layoffs to gather public sympathy.

It won't work. Those days are over. People that can't even put money into their own retirements are made to pay for these leeches' pensions? It's not like it's the leeches money, anyhow. They just can't steal as much from the taxpayers, so a little bit of it will have to be recycled into their pensions they aren't paying for in the first place.

I'm glad this is happening. I hope once Oregon goes tits up, if it hasn't already, something can be done about the PERS scam that is bankrupting all of us.
 
I'm not a big fan of the education unions, but I have to admit to cringing when I hear the teacher for my 6 year old next year referred to as a "leech." Seems like there's got to be a way to respectfully disagree with somebody who really does serve an important purpose in our society without demonizing them.

People are talking about this strictly from the "pro-union" and "anti-union" perspective. I wish we could get beyond that and get into the "pro-making our kids smarter than those Finland know-it-alls."

There was a time where we actually used to strive for bigger national objectives. Not everything was simply pro/anti, be it immigration, teaching or whatever.

I personally think we should focus on paying teachers $95k+/year. Make the class sizes 35-40 students each. Do away with tenure. Teachers making that kind of money won't want to pay for unions. Make them meet the highest certifications possible. Put cameras in the classroom that monitor teacher performance. Have a review board comprised of teachers and PTA members review random samplings plus other data every few years and do an up or down vote on whether the teacher continues on. Pay the bare minimum for support staff (principles, administration, district staff, etc) so that they are no longer "prestige" jobs.

But I'm open to other ideas.

It just feels like we're going to kill all the unions and then pat ourselves on the back for a job well done in saving money. When that really isn't the point. The point is to spend our money in the smartest way possible to produce the smartest kids that our society can afford.
 
Teachers are far from underpaid. They work less hours and less number of days and have way better job security than the general populace.
 
If teachers worked the number of days/hours of an average worker, it would be close to the equivalent of 100k a year. I did the math on another board.

Average number of school days: *http://ask.yahoo.com/20050509.html

180 days. Lets assume 10 more days (2 weeks) for teacher's inservice, setting up before school year, etc (that is being generous) so 190 days total.


versus the number of work days.

260 days vacations =14 days holidays=10 days vacation.
260-14-10=236 so on average 236 days.


So...per year, a teacher making 60k per year would be equivalent of another working $74,500 per year if based on time actually "worked".

Furthermore, since they only "work" 6 hours per day, the "real" equivalent for work performed is about $100k per year.
 
You can debate class size---I don't have all the details and what I do know is generally anecdotal from my sister-in-law (a 1st-grade teacher).

But my dad went to private school in the 60's where one nun taught 50-60 kids.
Most of my schooling up to high school was in DoD schools where 30 kids was a small class.

we both turned out ok. :dunno:
 
I'm not a big fan of the education unions, but I have to admit to cringing when I hear the teacher for my 6 year old next year referred to as a "leech." Seems like there's got to be a way to respectfully disagree with somebody who really does serve an important purpose in our society without demonizing them.

People are talking about this strictly from the "pro-union" and "anti-union" perspective. I wish we could get beyond that and get into the "pro-making our kids smarter than those Finland know-it-alls."

There was a time where we actually used to strive for bigger national objectives. Not everything was simply pro/anti, be it immigration, teaching or whatever.

I personally think we should focus on paying teachers $95k+/year. Make the class sizes 35-40 students each. Do away with tenure. Teachers making that kind of money won't want to pay for unions. Make them meet the highest certifications possible. Put cameras in the classroom that monitor teacher performance. Have a review board comprised of teachers and PTA members review random samplings plus other data every few years and do an up or down vote on whether the teacher continues on. Pay the bare minimum for support staff (principles, administration, district staff, etc) so that they are no longer "prestige" jobs.

But I'm open to other ideas.

It just feels like we're going to kill all the unions and then pat ourselves on the back for a job well done in saving money. When that really isn't the point. The point is to spend our money in the smartest way possible to produce the smartest kids that our society can afford.

IMO, the biggest problem with this line of thinking is that the teachers are only a small part of what determines how well a child learns. The parents are far and away a more important influence than the teacher, and in this country we have become lazy, ignorant and won't take responsibility for ourselves. We have started to pass that on to our kids, we don't hold our own kids accountable, everybody is a winner, and then we blame the teachers when the kids are idiots, etc, etc.

Paying teachers more money won't help these problems.
 
I'm not a big fan of the education unions, but I have to admit to cringing when I hear the teacher for my 6 year old next year referred to as a "leech." Seems like there's got to be a way to respectfully disagree with somebody who really does serve an important purpose in our society without demonizing them.

People are talking about this strictly from the "pro-union" and "anti-union" perspective. I wish we could get beyond that and get into the "pro-making our kids smarter than those Finland know-it-alls."

There was a time where we actually used to strive for bigger national objectives. Not everything was simply pro/anti, be it immigration, teaching or whatever.

I personally think we should focus on paying teachers $95k+/year. Make the class sizes 35-40 students each. Do away with tenure. Teachers making that kind of money won't want to pay for unions. Make them meet the highest certifications possible. Put cameras in the classroom that monitor teacher performance. Have a review board comprised of teachers and PTA members review random samplings plus other data every few years and do an up or down vote on whether the teacher continues on. Pay the bare minimum for support staff (principles, administration, district staff, etc) so that they are no longer "prestige" jobs.

But I'm open to other ideas.

It just feels like we're going to kill all the unions and then pat ourselves on the back for a job well done in saving money. When that really isn't the point. The point is to spend our money in the smartest way possible to produce the smartest kids that our society can afford.

The teachers' union in Wisconsin are acting like leeches. Why shouldn't they put exactly the same amount of money into their health insurance premiums, for example, than those in the private sector. Also, is asking them to put a mere 5.8% of their taxpayer-funded salary into their guaranteed public pension that outrageous of an idea? It's not like the governor or the GOP is trying to shut down public unions completely, although if the Dems keep acting this way, that may become public sentiment.

I know and respect my kids' teachers for being teachers, I volunteer at the school, but that doesn't mean they should have ridiculous lifetime advantages over the people paying for them, does it? Based on the stunt Organizing for America helped pull today, it's clear to me that when Obama called for us all to sacrifice, he wasn't including public service workers in his call to action.
 
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If teachers worked the number of days/hours of an average worker, it would be close to the equivalent of 100k a year. I did the math on another board.

Average number of school days: *http://ask.yahoo.com/20050509.html

180 days. Lets assume 10 more days (2 weeks) for teacher's inservice, setting up before school year, etc (that is being generous) so 190 days total.


versus the number of work days.

260 days vacations =14 days holidays=10 days vacation.
260-14-10=236 so on average 236 days.


So...per year, a teacher making 60k per year would be equivalent of another working $74,500 per year if based on time actually "worked".

Furthermore, since they only "work" 6 hours per day, the "real" equivalent for work performed is about $100k per year.

You really think teachers only work 6 hours per day? The school day itself is longer than that and teachers don't clock out as soon as that bell rings. Plus, you need to factor in out of pocket expenses that the teachers incur. My fiance's dad probably spends at least $1000 per year on various school projects. He's far from the norm, but I'm sure he's not the only one out there like that.
 
You really think teachers only work 6 hours per day? The school day itself is longer than that and teachers don't clock out as soon as that bell rings. Plus, you need to factor in out of pocket expenses that the teachers incur. My fiance's dad probably spends at least $1000 per year on various school projects. He's far from the norm, but I'm sure he's not the only one out there like that.

That is optional. You can teach w/o school "projects". I have to buy a briefcase for work, maybe I should make that an "out of pocket expense".

also once the first few years of teaching, it becomes automatic. you do the same lesson plans and have a system...everything is rather repetative.
 
I am a teacher, I work hard and I didn't negotiate my contract or pay. My pay is on a set scale and determined by the amount of education I have and my years of service. I applied for a job and got it, and attached to that job were certain promises. I worked in the "private" sector for several years before teaching, and the same thing was the case. I applied for jobs and got them, and attached to those jobs were certain promises. In either situation if those promises were not kept I am sure that I would be angry. Regardless if you are a public or "private" sector employee, I think you should feel secure in what you have been promised. That is why you have a contract, so that both sides honor it. My PERS situation can change, but as it stands now I pay in and my district matches. That is the same situation I had at every private sector job. Just like the private sector jobs, I am earning my retirement benefits based on years of service and how much I contribute.

I am not sure where I have leeched, taken advantage, or stolen from anyone. I work an honest days work, and live up to my professional responsibilities. I don't break the law, I am a upstanding member of my community, and I serve the government of my state and country. I work with other peoples children to make them better individuals, and often find that several adults have not done a very good job of parenting. I have broken up fights, stayed late to make sure kids had transportation, counseled students living in terrible situations, and done my best to demonstrate compassion and humanity. Then I come read statements like many made in this thread and I am disgusted at the ugliness of some people and their views of what my profession. The hatred some have for the government in this country is simply unhealthy, and as a result it turns into politics rather than government. I don't appreciate the insults from some of you posting in this thread, I am an honest person working hard to take care of my family.
 
The best part of the story is the Democrats walked out of the state house. If Democrats and Republicans walked out of the states' houses for like, 365 days a year, we'd be in much better shape.
 
That is optional. You can teach w/o school "projects". I have to buy a briefcase for work, maybe I should make that an "out of pocket expense".

also once the first few years of teaching, it becomes automatic. you do the same lesson plans and have a system...everything is rather repetative.

Well, if the materials offered aren't good enough or sufficient to teach with then no, they aren't optional. Plus, if I'm at work and need something (if reasonable) I can expense it. For teachers, that isn't an option.

You may get more efficient over time, but you're never going to eliminated all non class time work. You still need to prep, you'll always have to deal with parents and/or students and you'll always have to grade papers, homework and tests.
 
I am a teacher, I work hard and I didn't negotiate my contract or pay. My pay is on a set scale and determined by the amount of education I have and my years of service. I applied for a job and got it, and attached to that job were certain promises. I worked in the "private" sector for several years before teaching, and the same thing was the case. I applied for jobs and got them, and attached to those jobs were certain promises. In either situation if those promises were not kept I am sure that I would be angry. Regardless if you are a public or "private" sector employee, I think you should feel secure in what you have been promised. That is why you have a contract, so that both sides honor it. My PERS situation can change, but as it stands now I pay in and my district matches. That is the same situation I had at every private sector job. Just like the private sector jobs, I am earning my retirement benefits based on years of service and how much I contribute.


What are some examples of promises made for your job in the private sector that were taken away? Every job I know of or have had has an at-will clause in which case either side can terminate their employment at anytime.

I am not sure where I have leeched, taken advantage, or stolen from anyone. I work an honest days work, and live up to my professional responsibilities. I don't break the law, I am a upstanding member of my community, and I serve the government of my state and country. I work with other peoples children to make them better individuals, and often find that several adults have not done a very good job of parenting. I have broken up fights, stayed late to make sure kids had transportation, counseled students living in terrible situations, and done my best to demonstrate compassion and humanity. Then I come read statements like many made in this thread and I am disgusted at the ugliness of some people and their views of what my profession. The hatred some have for the government in this country is simply unhealthy, and as a result it turns into politics rather than government. I don't appreciate the insults from some of you posting in this thread, I am an honest person working hard to take care of my family.

Did somebody force you into being a teacher, or did you choose that line of work?
 
I am a teacher, I work hard and I didn't negotiate my contract or pay. My pay is on a set scale and determined by the amount of education I have and my years of service. I applied for a job and got it, and attached to that job were certain promises. I worked in the "private" sector for several years before teaching, and the same thing was the case. I applied for jobs and got them, and attached to those jobs were certain promises. In either situation if those promises were not kept I am sure that I would be angry. Regardless if you are a public or "private" sector employee, I think you should feel secure in what you have been promised. That is why you have a contract, so that both sides honor it. My PERS situation can change, but as it stands now I pay in and my district matches. That is the same situation I had at every private sector job. Just like the private sector jobs, I am earning my retirement benefits based on years of service and how much I contribute.

I am not sure where I have leeched, taken advantage, or stolen from anyone. I work an honest days work, and live up to my professional responsibilities. I don't break the law, I am a upstanding member of my community, and I serve the government of my state and country. I work with other peoples children to make them better individuals, and often find that several adults have not done a very good job of parenting. I have broken up fights, stayed late to make sure kids had transportation, counseled students living in terrible situations, and done my best to demonstrate compassion and humanity. Then I come read statements like many made in this thread and I am disgusted at the ugliness of some people and their views of what my profession. The hatred some have for the government in this country is simply unhealthy, and as a result it turns into politics rather than government. I don't appreciate the insults from some of you posting in this thread, I am an honest person working hard to take care of my family.

Didn't you get the memo? You only need to work 6/hours a day.
 
Well, if the materials offered aren't good enough or sufficient to teach with then no, they aren't optional. Plus, if I'm at work and need something (if reasonable) I can expense it. For teachers, that isn't an option.

You may get more efficient over time, but you're never going to eliminated all non class time work. You still need to prep, you'll always have to deal with parents and/or students and you'll always have to grade papers, homework and tests.

Are you paid by the hour?

Many salaried employees in the private sector work outside of the "normal" working hours. To suggest that teachers are the only ones that do so is ridiculous.
 
Well, if the materials offered aren't good enough or sufficient to teach with then no, they aren't optional. Plus, if I'm at work and need something (if reasonable) I can expense it. For teachers, that isn't an option.

You may get more efficient over time, but you're never going to eliminated all non class time work. You still need to prep, you'll always have to deal with parents and/or students and you'll always have to grade papers, homework and tests.

Its all optional. I was a teacher for a year and I did have to go out and buy my own things (chemistry teacher). It sucked and I was getting shit pay. But it was a private school with little benefits and no experience really needed.

But teachers salaries are pretty middle class for the most part. People don't go into teaching to become rich. Its a decent salary and a decent life style. The thing is if you want to make money, you go into professions with risk or which are just shitty for the most part. Teaching has a high intrsinsic value while at the same time not being underpaid for the work performed.
 
I am a teacher, I work hard and I didn't negotiate my contract or pay. My pay is on a set scale and determined by the amount of education I have and my years of service. I applied for a job and got it, and attached to that job were certain promises. I worked in the "private" sector for several years before teaching, and the same thing was the case. I applied for jobs and got them, and attached to those jobs were certain promises. In either situation if those promises were not kept I am sure that I would be angry. Regardless if you are a public or "private" sector employee, I think you should feel secure in what you have been promised. That is why you have a contract, so that both sides honor it. My PERS situation can change, but as it stands now I pay in and my district matches. That is the same situation I had at every private sector job. Just like the private sector jobs, I am earning my retirement benefits based on years of service and how much I contribute.

I am not sure where I have leeched, taken advantage, or stolen from anyone. I work an honest days work, and live up to my professional responsibilities. I don't break the law, I am a upstanding member of my community, and I serve the government of my state and country. I work with other peoples children to make them better individuals, and often find that several adults have not done a very good job of parenting. I have broken up fights, stayed late to make sure kids had transportation, counseled students living in terrible situations, and done my best to demonstrate compassion and humanity. Then I come read statements like many made in this thread and I am disgusted at the ugliness of some people and their views of what my profession. The hatred some have for the government in this country is simply unhealthy, and as a result it turns into politics rather than government. I don't appreciate the insults from some of you posting in this thread, I am an honest person working hard to take care of my family.

I don't appreciate teachers like you being unwilling to renegotiate your exhorbitant pensions to try and keep some of your students who have parents in the private sector from losing their homes.

In the real world, people don't "earn" their retirement by service, they contribute to it with their own money. People like you are bankrupting states, and if somebody even suggests a tiny bit of sacrifice from you and your union, we get what is happening right now in Wisconsin.

Since I'm paying for your salary and your retirement, perhaps you should stop posting lengthy posts whining about how bad you have it, and instead come up with a lesson plan tonight that actually educates kids. All around the country, your bosses (yes, I am your boss, since without my money, you don't make a cent) are waking up to the scam your unions are running. Now that people in the private sector are starting to struggle, or have struggled for an extended period of time, the obvious questions on why you public leeches shouldn't also sacrifice are starting to bubble to the surface.

Have a great day.
 
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Are you paid by the hour?

Many salaried employees in the private sector work outside of the "normal" working hours. To suggest that teachers are the only ones that do so is ridiculous.

Many people work through lunch even though it violates the law. On call on your blackberry at nights and weekends. Overnight trips. Its not like working beyond the call is unique to teachers. Shit, I had a dinner meeting last night that went until 9:00pm. Missed a great blazers game.
 
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