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MarAzul said:
disagreement with the electorate totally on a partisan basis
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Trump is not being impeached for winning the election...he's being impeached for blackmailing a foreign leader with a pay for play scam and trying to influence ongoing investigations whether you like the investigations or not...they have evidence of impeachable conduct and they haven't even gotten to the perjury parts. Obstruction of justice and witness tampering are not matters of the electoral college. Influencing domestic politics with foreign aid money is illegal for a president to do period....You know this or you're just choosing to ignore it at this point. Case is closed if justice is served...Trump would do well to resign with a plea deal and resume his private life. The only answer for what you seem to want for Trump would be for him to grab total power and eliminate the state representatives which is what it looks like he's trying to do...ruin the republic with his paranoid obstinance. Telling your staff to refuse to follow the law and respect the rule of government checks and balances is not patriotic..it's a power grab. Presidents are elected to serve the country not their own self interests.
 
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MarAzul said:
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Yes, Dumbass identified.

I just reread #84 again, and yes, it is Hamilton as Hamilton, jacking on as if he were about to get there.

But! Just think, how much your S2 companions would appreciate if he had prevailed.
No 2nd amendment!

And for that fail, I thank Mr. Madison.
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The dumbass comment was purely about his lack of judgment in entering a duel in the first place. He was obviously intelligent. I just disagree with a majority of his opinions. He also argued passionately for the Potus to be a lifelong elected Monarch. Luckily, the more liberal minded founders won out.

*liberal meant in the literal sense of the word and not with the connotations it now has.
 
riverman said:
Trump is not being impeached for winning the election...he's being impeached for blackmailing a foreign leader with a pay for play scam and trying to influence ongoing investigations whether you like the investigations or not...they have evidence of impeachable conduct and they haven't even gotten to the perjury parts. Obstruction of justice and witness tampering are not matters of the electoral college. Influencing domestic politics with foreign aid money is illegal for a president to do period....You know this or you're just choosing to ignore it at this point. Case is closed if justice is served...Trump would do well to resign with a plea deal and resume his private life. The only answer for what you seem to want for Trump would be for him to grab total power and eliminate the state representatives which is what it looks like he's trying to do...ruin the republic with his paranoid obstinance.
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Easy, my friend. I don't want to hear, you blew a tube that carries the vitals.
We shall see. Don't let it disturb you, but my view is quite different.
 
If I was a president with nothing to hide, Id welcome the investigations, Id be transparent as heck and if they continued to come at me Id trust the American people would see the opposition for what they are.

Now yes, Id defend myself, Id hire people more in tune with the law than I am, But personally Id like my opposition paint me whatever colors they would like and just be honest, straight forward and let the people decide. If they impeached me for purely partisan reasons, eventually the people will speak and none of them will hold their office. Or if the people approve than I wasnt a good leader in the first place and they, the people should get a leader that unites them.
 
theprunetang said:
just disagree with a majority of his opinions
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Yes I come down on the same side as you. His arguments with Jefferson come to mind. I sort of look at Jefferson as the mind behind the founding and it was carried out by Madison writing the Constitutions and supporting the Bill of rights including putting forth
the 2nd.

It seem those two got it done in spite of players such as Hamilton and Adams. But then while saying this, it would not be as good without them and the others. Thus the #65 has merit.
 
MarAzul said:
Yes I come down on the same side as you. His arguments with Jefferson come to mind. I sort of look at Jefferson as the mind behind the founding and it was carried out by Madison writing the Constitutions and supporting the Bill of rights including putting forth
the 2nd.

It seem those two got it done in spite of players such as Hamilton and Adams. But then while saying this, it would not be as good without them and the others. Thus the #65 has merit.
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For once, we are in almost full agreement here.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I wasnt a good leader in the first place and they, the people should get a leader that unites them.
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We get to choose between the leaders we have at the time. That is the choice we get. We have to accept the winner as the leader until another becomes available.

Impeachment is rather a heavy hammer to alter this natural process. It may please a few, but it is illogical to expect it to be good.
 
MarAzul said:
We get to choose between the leaders we have at the time. That is the choice we get. We have to accept the winner as the leader until another becomes available.

Impeachment is rather a heavy hammer to alter this natural process. It may please a few, but it is illogical to expect it to be good.
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But going through an election 3 years ago does not make someone immune from being questioned, or their actions from being investigated.

My wife married me 7 years ago if I cheat on her tonight does that mean she cant divorce me for my actions now?

A president is similar in this, he went through the process like it or not he won. He is our president, but he is still held to a standard he still has an oath to act in the best interest of the country and to uphold the laws. His accusers I will admit have been trying every angle they could to get rid of him his entire presidency, but it is part of the checks and balances of this country to investigate and corral the branches of our government.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
But going through an election 3 years ago does not make someone immune from being questioned, or their actions from being investigated.
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>>>:dry: We have an election every four years.

TorturedBlazerFan said:
My wife married me 7 years ago if I cheat on her tonight does that mean she cant divorce me for my actions now?
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>>>We have and election every four years. Your wife does not get the chance to re up or not, every four years

TorturedBlazerFan said:
A president is similar in this
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Not the same at all is it? No until death do us part. Four and out, or maybe one more four.
 
MarAzul said:
>>>:dry: We have an election every four years.


>>>We have and election every four years. Your wife does not get the chance to re up or not, every four years



Not the same at all is it? No until death do us part. Four and out, or maybe one more four.
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The American Presidency. The Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of Presidentof the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Dont see a time limit on it.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Lanny, I have an idea. I'll hold the bet for both you and maris...How 'bout if you and he agree on the amount you wish to wager and you can both deposit the funds into my paypal account...and I'll forward the winnings to the winner.
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Sounds great. I agree and I'll abide just as soon as Maris sends in his bet.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
From your link this is the direct qoute.
Pro-Life/Pro-Choice Division Remains Steady

and
The current breakdown of 49% identifying as pro-life and 46% as pro-choice falls within this range.
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Quote without comment:
"Majority in U.S. Still Want Abortion Legal, With Limits"
 
MarAzul said:
Nixon!
I never voted for that guy, never liked the guy.
He did indeed deserve to be impeached. He cheated us of that win by quitting.
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But if every Republican in the house was against impeaching him, Nixon would not have deserved to be impeached, right? That's your argument about partisanship.

No matter what the crimes, if the President's party sticks with him, his crimes are not impeachable.

barfo
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
If you’re ever in Portland Id love to hang out, I enjoy your posts even when we disagree, you come off as respectful, and like you’d be enjoyable to be around.
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I get carried away from time to time as well, but try to keep things civil. If I'm ever back in Portland, I'll take you up on that.
 
barfo said:
But if every Republican in the house was against impeaching him, Nixon would not have deserved to be impeached, right? That's your argument about partisanship.

No matter what the crimes, if the President's party sticks with him, his crimes are not impeachable.

barfo
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I take it you have a different version of history than I do.
I hear he resigned because the word was, he was going down and I mean, impeached. Non partisan like.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
The American Presidency. The Oath of Office: I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of Presidentof the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.

Dont see a time limit on it.
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"Article. II.

Section. 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He
shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years..."
 
MARIS61 said:
Duh. :beatinto:
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It wasn't Democrats who turned impeachments into a political issue, it was Republicans with the Clinton Impeachment hearings and the conviction hearings.

The Trump impeachment hearings are totally focused on a bribery issue and now a witness tampering issue. Clearly guilty (so what's new).
 
barfo said:
But if every Republican in the house was against impeaching him, Nixon would not have deserved to be impeached, right? That's your argument about partisanship.

No matter what the crimes, if the President's party sticks with him, his crimes are not impeachable.

barfo
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You're looking for logic where there's only emotion.
 
MarAzul said:
"Article. II.

Section. 1. The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He
shall hold his Office during the Term of four Years..."
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Yeah so he has 4 years to uphold his oath and when he doesnt...

It is not a guarantee that he gets to do it for four years even he doesnt fulfill his oath.
 
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