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[calvin natt]

Do you seriously believe the the GOP has any "credibility"?

yes he does.

 

[MarAzul]

Save your “intellect” bullshit for someone else

No problem. Your empty basket has no room.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yes. This is the basis of holding elections.

Hmmm, did/does that also apply to the other 3 "impeachees"?

Sorry, but your boy is forever tainted with the stain of impeachment.

 

[yankeesince59]

yes I know. But it’s strange that there isn’t one. Because if there was one, and all the people who claim to be independent were really independent, he/she might have a chance. How can there be so many independents but not a single independent leader?

Yeah, it still pisses me off that our only options in 2016 were Trump and Clinton...that's like choosing between a gun to the head or a knife in the back.

 

[yankeesince59]

No problem. Your empty basket has no room.

Your room has an empty basket.

 

[MarAzul]

Geez Marz, stop being a freaking hypocrite.

Do you seriously believe the the GOP has any "credibility"?

Yep, they have been stepping it up quite well lately. The shear ignorance of the dems is goading them to come to work. I appreciate the help.

I was really depressed with the messages going to China. Just hold out until the the dems hold sway. Now it looks like they see the trend, make the deal. We will have to deal with Tump after all.
The inept GOP stepped up just enough to get the right message out.

 

[MarAzul]

Your room has an empty basket.

Not the same is it.

 

[yankeesince59]

Yep, they have been stepping it up quite well lately. The shear ignorance of the dems is goading them to come to work. I appreciate the help.

I was really depressed with the messages going to China. Just hold out until the the dems hold sway. Now it looks like they see the trend, make the deal. We will have to deal with Tump after all.
The inept GOP stepped up just enough to get the right message out.

I'm done with your BS du jour.

 

[MarAzul]

I'm done with your BS du jour.

Good evening.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

yes I know. But it’s strange that there isn’t one. Because if there was one, and all the people who claim to be independent were really independent, he/she might have a chance. How can there be so many independents but not a single independent leader?

I agree with much of what you're getting at, I think one of the issues of being "independent" is that there's A LOT of room to cover in the independent sector, there's a lot of people who don't necessarily align with the DNC or GOP, but the spectrum is wide from Right to Left find an independent who "ticks" enough boxes of all those people is pretty hard. Being without party affiliation does not necessarily mean you're a moderate if that makes sense.

 

[MarAzul]

Being without party affiliation does not necessarily mean you're a moderate if that makes sense.

I see what you mean.
But it may mean you tend to dither.

 

[barfo]

People overstate the importance, and the negatives, of the parties.

Look at Trump getting elected and what he has done to the Republican party - they don't believe in most of the stuff they did just 5 years ago. Electing an 'independent' would have been much less of a change.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

People overstate the importance, and the negatives, of the parties.

Look at Trump getting elected and what he has done to the Republican party - they don't believe in most of the stuff they did just 5 years ago. Electing an 'independent' would have been much less of a change.

barfo

You have no way of proving that.

 

[ABM]

You have no way of proving that.

He often states stuff independently.

 

[barfo]

You have no way of proving that.

You have no way of proving that.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

You have no way of proving that.

He's got eyes and ears.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He's got eyes and ears.

Which he can use to make subjective claims, but he stated quite a lot there that is simply nothing but his opinion and heck i respect his opinion. My opinion is different.
I think in general people dont condemn the two party system (at least what its become enough, maybe they do in the s2 bubble), I would say the negative effects it has had are greater than people realize.

He claimed Republicans dont believe now what they did 5 years ago, again thats his opinion. My opinion is many of them didnt change what they believe rather when its their “guy” they’re willing to cast a blind eye to it.

He claimed an independent president wouldve caused less change? Would love to see him prove that. Cause Im gonna use that to make us all rich.

Again no problem with him having those opinions, I cant prove he’s wrong but he stated it pretty factually.

 

[Lanny]

Which he can use to make subjective claims, but he stated quite a lot there that is simply nothing but his opinion and heck i respect his opinion. My opinion is different.
I think in general people dont condemn the two party system (at least what its become enough, maybe they do in the s2 bubble), I would say the negative effects it has had are greater than people realize.

He claimed Republicans dont believe now what they did 5 years ago, again thats his opinion. My opinion is many of them didnt change what they believe rather when its their “guy” they’re willing to cast a blind eye to it.

He claimed an independent president wouldve caused less change? Would love to see him prove that. Cause Im gonna use that to make us all rich.

Again no problem with him having those opinions, I cant prove he’s wrong but he stated it pretty factually.

Nothing subjective about it. Let's take a look at three rather salient examples.
1. The annual deficit and national debt - Trump shot that to shit and back and not even a whimper for the new Republican party also known as the Trump cult;
2. Obama Care must be disintigrated - Now, Republicans don't dare touch Obama Care. If their Supreme court ruling goes their way and Obama Care gets eliminated, Republicans will suffer the wrath of the public and Republicans know it;
3. Morality is very important especially the President's morality - Trump has shot this to shit, who could argue that?

There are more such as the conduct during an impeachment and the Senate trial.

The only two that I can think of off the top of my head where Republicans are still in agreement is spending astronomical sums on the military and unlimited contributions favoring a candidate.

Also, there is a no. 4 above, redistricting. The Republicans used to be against it and now they have gone hog wild supporting it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Nothing subjective about it. Let's take a look at three rather salient examples.
1. The annual deficit and national debt - Trump shot that to shit and back and not even a whimper for the new Republican party also known as the Trump cult;
2. Obama Care must be disintigrated - Now, Republicans don't dare touch Obama Care. If their Supreme court ruling goes their way and Obama Care gets eliminated, Republicans will suffer the wrath of the public and Republicans know it;
3. Morality is very important especially the President's morality - Trump has shot this to shit, who could argue that?

There are more such as the conduct during an impeachment and the Senate trial.

The only two that I can think of off the top of my head where Republicans are still in agreement is spending astronomical sums on the military and unlimited contributions favoring a candidate.

Also, there is a no. 4 above, redistricting. The Republicans used to be against it and now they have gone hog wild supporting it.

None of that proves their beliefs changed, it could just be that in the pursuit of power and money they chose the power and money over their beliefs.

 

[Lanny]

None of that proves their beliefs changed, it could just be that in the pursuit of power and money they chose the power and money over their beliefs.

It changed their beliefs, no doubt about that.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

It changed their beliefs, no doubt about that.

I actually disagree, but this isnt going to go anywhere. My opinion as stated is it just showed what their priorities really are. I dont think well be changing each other minds, so consider the topic dropped on my end. Hope you have a good evening, and maybe we’ll see each other on a different thread.

 

[MARIS61]

People overstate the importance, and the negatives, of the parties.

Look at Trump getting elected and what he has done to the Republican party - they don't believe in most of the stuff they did just 5 years ago. Electing an 'independent' would have been much less of a change.

barfo

Trump is now and has always been a socially liberal, fiscally agressive, Constitutionally conservative Independent.

 

[barfo]

Trump is now and has always been a socially liberal, fiscally agressive, Constitutionally conservative Independent.

Trump is surely whatever you believe him to be, Maris.

We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz...

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Trump is surely whatever you believe him to be, Maris.

We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful Wizard of Oz...

barfo

Is there a pirate character in the wizard of oz? I always pictured our conversations more like Im adventuring to neverland and your captain hook!

 

[barfo]

Is there a pirate character in the wizard of oz? I always pictured our conversations more like Im adventuring to neverland and your captain hook!

I guess the Tin Man, cause he's got no heart.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

Trump is now and has always been a socially liberal, fiscally agressive, Constitutionally conservative Independent.

Socially liberal enough to do the right thing for Dreamers or enough to make it reasonable for minorities to register to vote?
Fiscally aggressive enough to not bust the bank and accelerate the national debt growth and not create an annual deficit of near record proportions during a time of growing national economy?
Constitutionally Conservative enough to not lose nearly all of his federal court battles?

 

[ABM]

I guess the Tin Man, cause he's got no heart.

barfo

No HEART?!!!

Geez, you may as well buy the t-shirt...

 

[stampedehero]

I’m still holding out hope that he gets Impeached and then on the way out hit by a bus. Keeping the faith.

I'll carry your parade flag.

 

[MARIS61]

Nunes tells Schiff he needs 'rehabilitation' after IG report: 'Admit you have a problem'
By Ronn Blitzer | Fox News

Rep. Devin Nunes: We need to know what the FISA court is really doing

California Congressman Devin Nunes, Republican ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee demands Schiff to call on IG Horowitz to testify before House Intelligence Committee.

House Intelligence Committee ranking member Rep. Devin Nunes, R-Calif., told committee chairman Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., that he is "in need of rehabilitation" after a Justice Department Inspector General report on the FBI's Russia investigation and its use of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) contradicted Schiff's past assertions.

In a 2018 memo, Schiff dismissed Nunes' concerns about the FBI's use of a FISA warrant to monitor former Trump campaign adviser Carter Page. The IG report confirmed that the FBI's warrant applications included 17 "significant errors and omissions," including a doctored email and reliance on unverified information from British ex-spy Christopher Steele.

"After publishing false conclusions of such enormity on a topic directly within this committee's oversight responsibilities, it is clear you are in need of rehabilitation, and I hope this letter will serve as the first step in that vital process," Nunes said in a Sunday letter.

Schiff's memo downplayed Steele's role and denied FBI wrongdoing, saying, "FBI and DOJ officials did not 'abuse' the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) process, omit material information, or subvert this vital tool to spy on the Trump campaign." Schiff also claimed at the time that the DOJ "made only narrow use of information from Steele's sources" for the Page warrant.

Nunes listed these statements and others, such as how the FBI conducted a "rigorous process" when vetting Steele's information, noting that "[t]he IG report exposed all these declarations as false."

IG Michael Horowitz's report indicated that Steele's information was not properly vetted, yet was key in convincing attorneys to give the go-ahead to the FISA warrant application, which was previously deemed a "close call."

Nunes recognized Schiff's acknowledgment of the "issues and errors" described in Horowitz's report, but said that his opposition to concerns raised by Attorney General Bill Barr and Connecticut U.S. Attorney John Durham -- who is conducting a broader probe of the Russia investigation's origins -- "makes it clear your rehabilitation will be a long, arduous process."

Nunes cited Schiff's failure to use his committee to conduct proper oversight while using it "as a launching pad to impeach the president for issues that have no intelligence component at all." He accused him of "hijacking" the committee, claiming, "As part of your rehabilitation, it's crucial that you admit you have a problem."

Schiff's office did not immediately respond to Fox News' request for comment about the letter, but in an interview with "Fox News Sunday," Schiff acknowledged the FBI's issues as described in Horowitz's report, and claimed he "would have called out the FBI" had he known of them.

The GOP ranking member called on the Democratic chairman to call Horowitz before their committee "at the nearest opportunity." Horowitz has already appeared before the Senate Judiciary Committee, and is scheduled for another hearing before the Senate Homeland Security Committee.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nu...s-in-scathing-letter-admit-you-have-a-problem

 

[yankeesince59]

Nunez, of all people, is in no position to be giving anyone career advise.