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Joel is a warrior! Hope he doesn't come back to soon.
 
One thing we know for sure is that whatever happened, happened on his mother's sofa.
 
Fez Hammersticks said:
Joel's injury was a lot worse. I don't get this either. Joel is nearing a return and Greg could be out until November/December.
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in thread after thread you keep saying the same thing, but you're still not a doctor and you definitely weren't privy to the details of the injuries or rehabs of either... right? Reading Quick's tweets doesn't change that. Things may not make sense, but if you can keep in mind that you don't know shit then everything that happens falls into context. This is true for me and most everyone else here as well... we just have to take serious injuries/rehab as an unknown that happens outside of our scope

I'm happy that Joel seems to be making it back sooner then initially guessed and am not worried about Greg's tendinitis being a long term condition because thats the history of the injury. Hopefully neither suffers another setback... I'm anxious to see them on the court and see what they can provide

STOMP
 
Enzo Aix said:
Joel is the man! Maybe this will light a fire under Gregs ass and he will man up!
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What you have to understand is that the current problem with Gregs knee is inflammation of the muscle DUE TO OVERWORK.
 
STOMP said:
in thread after thread you keep saying the same thing, but you're still not a doctor and you definitely weren't privy to the details of the injuries or rehabs of either... right? Reading Quick's tweets doesn't change that. Things may not make sense, but if you can keep in mind that you don't know shit then everything that happens falls into context. This is true for me and most everyone else here as well... we just have to take serious injuries/rehab as an unknown that happens outside of our scope

I'm happy that Joel seems to be making it back sooner then initially guessed and am not worried about Greg's tendinitis being a long term condition because thats the history of the injury. Hopefully neither suffers another setback... I'm anxious to see them on the court and see what they can provide

STOMP
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Torn patellar tendon (X2) > broken kneecap, unless it was broken kneecap and a mystery injury that was pretty severe.
 
they probably did a microfracture on his megafracture and didn't tell him (or us). So he's actually 3 months ahead of schedule, right?
 
Nikolokolus said:
Torn patellar tendon (X2) > broken kneecap, unless it was broken kneecap and a mystery injury that was pretty severe.
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thanx doc... but why why why haven't you figured out a cure for cancer yet?

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
thanx doc... but why why why haven't you figured out a cure for cancer yet?

STOMP
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...because finding a cure for cancer is similar to identifying whether a knee injury is worse than another.

okay.
 
MickZagger said:
...because finding a cure for cancer is similar to identifying whether a knee injury is worse than another.

okay.
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sorry you didn't appreciate me joking around but my original point stands. Posters talking out their ass offering their blind medical opinion is just stupid, especially when they're repeating it again and again as if they're on to something.

STOMP
 
Actually, that was a good comparison...curing cancer vs. curing Oden.

In our lifetimes?
 
STOMP said:
sorry you didn't appreciate me joking around but my original point stands. Posters talking out their ass offering their blind medical opinion is just stupid, especially when they're repeating it again and again as if they're on to something.

STOMP
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I don't claim to be a doctor but I was a paramedic for 5 years, so I kind of understand A&P, and injury processes ... three knee surgeries on the other hand have given me an intimate appreciation for the rehab process and the toll those injuries can take.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I don't claim to be a doctor but I was a paramedic for 5 years, so I kind of understand A&P, and injury processes ... three knee surgeries on the other hand have given me an intimate appreciation for the rehab process and the toll those injuries can take.
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I've spent literally years of my life barely leaving my house while rehabbing injuries following car two accidents... I've a pretty intimate appreciation with the rehab process and the toll that can take too. I've also a heavy science/medical background and two actual Docs in my immediate family who happen to be Blazer fans. According to them, they don't know enough about Greg's situation to offer a decent guess as to whats what. They claim there are plenty of normal variables that can extend the process... like tendonitis. Of course in GO's case his broken kneecap (the actual injury) is supposed to be healed right?

STOMP
 
I don't have any kind of medical background or any background really on knee injuries. However, I do know that Pryzbilla ruptured his patella tendon. 3 months later he re-injured that same knee slipping in the shower, requiring more surgery.

Oden broke his kneecap. Not nearly as serious as ruptured tendons.

I'm not a Oden hater like a lot around here, either. I just think there's something fishy when our 31 year old center who suffered a worse injury (according to everywhere that I've read) than Oden who is 22 and much further behind in rehab. Something just doesn't seem right with that picture.
 
While Przybilla was being optimistic, he also sprinkled in a bit of caution. Przybilla admitted that he has a long ways to go before his conditioning would be “basketball ready” and he acknowledged that he has to overcome some mental hurdles surrounding the durability of his knee.

Przybilla said he played cautiously, if not tentatively, at times Sunday as he pushed his knee. When he found himself roaming inside the paint, a part of him worried that a teammate might tumble into his leg.
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We need to keep this in mind.

I'd sit him all of November and then see where he is at, especially if the team is playing well. Even then, no need to rush back.
 
People keep saying, "No need to rush back."

We have 2 substitutes over 6 foot 6 (Cunningham and Babbitt) with 1 year of experience between them. "No need" to understate how big of a coaching problem McMillan has.

Unless a big man is signed, there is an extremely strong "need" for Przybilla to come back. That doesn't mean that he should if he'll just get reinjured. But I don't get the denial of how much we "need" him in our current situation.
 
jlprk said:
People keep saying, "No need to rush back."

We have 2 substitutes over 6 foot 6 (Cunningham and Babbitt) with 1 year of experience between them. "No need" to understate how big of a coaching problem McMillan has.

Unless a big man is signed, there is an extremely strong "need" for Przybilla to come back. That doesn't mean that he should if he'll just get reinjured. But I don't get the denial of how much we "need" him in our current situation.
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McMillan and the Blazers did just fine without Przy and Oden last year once Batum was back and Camby was the starter. They can do the same again.

Try not to make the problem worse in your head than it really is.
 
" Originally Posted by MIXUM "

greg should be ashamed.... but then again you can tell he has no heart



ABM said:
Based upon...........???
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Based on what the the Cowardly lion and the Scarecrow told Dorothy.
 
I agree with the general consensus that we're all pulling for Greg.

Go Greg...
I'm just one small and mostly insignificant Blazer fan who is getting increasingly more sick and tired of all the setbacks and additional injuries.
 
Targus said:
I agree with the general consensus that we're all pulling for Greg.

Go Greg...
I'm just one small and mostly insignificant Blazer fan who is getting increasingly more sick and tired of all the setbacks and additional injuries.
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I can understand that, but wasn't he doing full court, full speed drills the other day with Joel? And I'm only aware of one setback, inflammation of the knee. And the season opener is still a few weeks away. He'll be back, and personally I don't think he'll miss much of the beginning of the regular season (maybe around 10). If he does, then we'll just need a little more patience and we should focus on the guys who are there. All accounts say Greg has done everything he can to get back and he's working hard. I doubt any of us are as frustrated/impatient as Greg is.
 
MickZagger said:
I don't have any kind of medical background or any background really on knee injuries. However, I do know that Pryzbilla ruptured his patella tendon. 3 months later he re-injured that same knee slipping in the shower, requiring more surgery.

Oden broke his kneecap. Not nearly as serious as ruptured tendons.

I'm not a Oden hater like a lot around here, either. I just think there's something fishy when our 31 year old center who suffered a worse injury (according to everywhere that I've read) than Oden who is 22 and much further behind in rehab. Something just doesn't seem right with that picture.
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People often say the Joel injury was worse, but they don't give a definition of what "worse" means in this context. Worse can mean longer to rehab, in which case it would be amazing that he is back prior to Greg. Or, "worse" can have nothing to do with a time-line for recovery, but have to do with ability to fully heal from the injury, or likelihood of full recovery.

For example jumping ability, range of motion, etc.. I know that breaking a kneecap can take a long time to heal, and is often split into two parts, the first part includes screws so that the kneecap can fully heal. But often there is a lot of pain after healing which is not caused by the injury, but caused by the screws, so the second part, often a year later, includes removing the screws. From what I gather, Oden's injury can take a long time to recover from, but once recovery has been complete, there should be no lingering issues. Joel on the other hand may be back earlier but have a lesser range of motion or ongoing issues.
 
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STOMP said:
I've spent literally years of my life barely leaving my house while rehabbing injuries following car two accidents... I've a pretty intimate appreciation with the rehab process and the toll that can take too. I've also a heavy science/medical background and two actual Docs in my immediate family who happen to be Blazer fans. According to them, they don't know enough about Greg's situation to offer a decent guess as to whats what. They claim there are plenty of normal variables that can extend the process... like tendonitis. Of course in GO's case his broken kneecap (the actual injury) is supposed to be healed right?

STOMP
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The only thing I said is that a twice torn patellar tendon is a more serious injury than a broken bone, nothing more, nothing less and you lay down an extra heaping of snark.
 
GOD said:
People often say the Joel injury was worse, but they don't give a definition of what "worse" means in this context. Worse can mean longer to rehab, in which case it would be amazing that he is back prior to Greg. Or, "worse" can have nothing to do with a time-line for recovery, but have to do with ability to fully heal from the injury, or likelihood of full recovery.

For example jumping ability, range of motion, etc.. I know that breaking a kneecap can take a long time to heal, and is often split into two parts, the first part includes screws so that the kneecap can fully heal. But often there is a lot of pain after healing which is not caused by the injury, but caused by the screws, so the second part, often a year later, includes removing the screws. From what I gather, Oden's injury can take a long time to recover from, but once recovery has been complete, there should be no lingering issues. Joel on the other hand may be back earlier but have a lesser range of motion or ongoing issues.
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"Worse," as in: takes longer to heal/rehab, diminished range of motion, explosiveness lost, etc. Assuming there was no ligament or tendon damage to Greg's knee when he broke the patella then it's not a stretch to say that Joel experienced a more severe injury with more questions (at the time) about when/if he'd ever be able to return to a full activity level.

I'm not even sure how a thread with the general theme of "Wow, Joel might be ready for opening night, that's amazing." Turned into, "Damn that slacker/slow healer Greg Oden." But I suppose it was inevitable.
 
RoyToy said:
McMillan and the Blazers did just fine without Przy and Oden last year once Batum was back and Camby was the starter. They can do the same again.

Try not to make the problem worse in your head than it really is.
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Of course, last year we had Howard and Pendergraph (in addition to Cunningham)to provide some backup minutes at PF & C. This year we have...Babbitt? Let's not pretend the situations are identical.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Of course, last year we had Howard and Pendergraph (in addition to Cunningham)to provide some backup minutes at PF & C. This year we have...Babbitt? Let's not pretend the situations are identical.
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I've really been scratching my head at the way the team (KP?) went about their business in the draft in June. I don't have a problem with the players we picked up per se, but did we really need two more combo guards in one of the deepest big-men drafts in years? I guess they figured Pendergraph would make some big leap at 23 and be able to provide steady, reliable play at the 4 (or 5 in a pinch).

I'm curious to see what Cho will/can do to balance this roster out. He's moved slower than I thought he would.
 
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