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How does Miller starting confirm that Roy is calling the shots exactly? because he stated he needs to shut up and work on his game, that means it's been him the whole time?

I'm guessing Phil doesn't mind taking some helpful suggestions from his best player on the floor.
 
Natebishop3 said:
And that's when I get my final confirmation that Nate needs to go. Do you think Phil Jackson let's Kobe tell him who to play? When to play them?
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I know Kobe has personally had coaches fired. I think if Kobe fueds with Jackson, it will be Jackson who would leave or be fired.

So yes, I think Kobe can and does control alot with Lakers. But Kobe can play with anyone and I don't see him making a huge issue with Jackson on who he plays with. I know Kobe likes Fisher and it would be interesting to see what Kobe's reaction would be if Jackson started Farmar instead and Farmar took shots away Kobe.
 
RR7 said:
How does Miller starting confirm that Roy is calling the shots exactly? because he stated he needs to shut up and work on his game, that means it's been him the whole time?

I'm guessing Phil doesn't mind taking some helpful suggestions from his best player on the floor.
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Well then maybe it was just a lucky guess that I predicted that after those statements by Roy, Miller will start (and I've never made that prediction after any of Roy's other statements to the press). All the other statements by Roy seemed to confirm the idea that Roy wanted to play with Blake and sure enough Blake starts.

I have no inside knowledge and admit I could be reading way to much into Roy's statements . . . but it is strange taht once Roy stopped talking about who he plays with and actaully he doesn't care anymore (not going to be concerned with it) that all of a sudden Miller starts.

Some will be convinced this is all on Nate, some (minorit yI'm guessing) will see this as being a Roy thing. Probably somewhere in between . . . Nate has the control and job of picking players and minutes but Roy has very much influenced Nate's decisions.
 
Why do you do this to Webster? Honestly. He's been pretty good when starting, and he loses his job for nothing? You know he's going to stink it up on the bench.
 
it's_GO_time said:
I know Kobe has personally had coaches fired. I think if Kobe fueds with Jackson, it will be Jackson who would leave or be fired.

So yes, I think Kobe can and does control alot with Lakers. But Kobe can play with anyone and I don't see him making a huge issue with Jackson on who he plays with. I know Kobe likes Fisher and it would be interesting to see what Kobe's reaction would be if Jackson started Farmar instead and Farmar took shots away Kobe.
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Like who? Del Harris? Kurt Rambis? Jackson has been there for a large portion of his career. Harris was fired because he couldn't win with Shaq and Kobe. Rambis was fired for the same reason. Jax has been there for most of the ups and downs with Kobe.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Like who? Del Harris? Kurt Rambis? Jackson has been there for a large portion of his career. Harris was fired because he couldn't win with Shaq and Kobe. Rambis was fired for the same reason. Jax has been there for most of the ups and downs with Kobe.
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My bad, it was magic Johnson who had a coach fired:

Johnson has some experience in this area. He asked to be traded in November 1981. Almost the entire Lakers team had revolted against then-coach Paul Westhead when Johnson said, "I've got to go ... I haven't been happy all season ... I'm going to talk to the man tomorrow and see if a trade will happen."

That "man" was Buss. Westhead was fired the next day.


But what do you think Nate, if Kobe had a feud with Jackson and said trade me or fire Jackson, what would happen?
 
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it's_GO_time said:
My bad, it was magic Johnson who had a coach fired:

Johnson has some experience in this area. He asked to be traded in November 1981. Almost the entire Lakers team had revolted against then-coach Paul Westhead when Johnson said, "I've got to go ... I haven't been happy all season ... I'm going to talk to the man tomorrow and see if a trade will happen."

That "man" was Buss. Westhead was fired the next day.


But what do you think Nate, if Kobe had a feud with Jackson, what would happen?
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I guess it would depend on how the rest of the team was playing, and how long it had gone on. Phil has won four titles with the Lakers, six with the Bulls. I think he has some clout. Plus, isn't he still banging Jerry Buss' daughter?

Phil isn't the kind of guy you just toss aside. McMillan really hasn't proven anything in this league. Sure, he has taken this team from the cellar to the playoffs, but as some of us have said, that could easily be attributed to the team's talent level since he came on as coach.
 
MIXUM said:
no LA and we have no chance.
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I love how in a generally positive thread, you insist on finding somethign negative to post, even if it is unrelated to the topic of Miller starting.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I guess it would depend on how the rest of the team was playing, and how long it had gone on. Phil has won four titles with the Lakers, six with the Bulls. I think he has some clout. Plus, isn't he still banging Jerry Buss' daughter?

Phil isn't the kind of guy you just toss aside. McMillan really hasn't proven anything in this league. Sure, he has taken this team from the cellar to the playoffs, but as some of us have said, that could easily be attributed to the team's talent level since he came on as coach.
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Again we seem to go back and fourth but guessing we are pretty close to having the same view. I do think Jackson has clout. I don't think he is the kind of coach you just toss aside. And I don't think Nate has come close to proving himself an estblished NBA coach the way Phil has.

But if there was a feud between Kobe and Jackson, I do think it would be Jackson who would go. And I do think that star players have a lot of control in the NBA . . . and while I see the argment that Nate is not doing his job if he let's Roy dictate who starts, I think it is a lot more complex situation than simply saying it's the coaches respoonsibility who starts and it is all on him (as a coach in the public eye it is all on him, but in the lockerroom . .. got to keep your star happy)
 
i dont care who starts at PG... did you see beasly destroy cunningham and howard? the rockets are small athlectic at PF. it will be the exact same game with them killing us inside and out

you know and i know... we need LA to even have a damn chance
 
Greg was walkin' fine last night when I saw him enter Buffalo Wild wings downtown....

place started going nuts when he came in... ;)
 
Well, we're getting closer.

Miller, Roy, Rudy, Aldridge, Oden is better than:

Blake, Miller, Roy, Aldridge, Oden and:

Blake, Roy, Webster, Aldridge and Oden

Should we start a pool to guess that date when Nate finally, by randon chance, hits on the optimal (until Batum returns):

Miller, Roy, Webster, Aldridge, Oden starting line-up?

Normally, I'd pick the Cleveland game next Friday - because neither Roy, nor Rudy can come close to guarding LeBron - but that would make sense, which means it won't happen. So, I'll go with 12/17 against Phoenix.

Seriously, Martell plays SO much better as a starter than coming off the bench. The second unit needs Rudy's scoring and energy. Starting Rudy over Martell hurts both the starting and second units..

BNM
 
Yeah, I'll put a bet on that we'll never see that lineup, unless we're down to five healthy players and those are the only five left. Even then, Nate might go 'Hoosiers' style and go with four men on the floor.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Should we start a pool to guess that date when Nate finally, by randon chance, hits on the optimal (until Batum returns):

Miller, Roy, Webster, Aldridge, Oden starting line-up?

Normally, I'd pick the Cleveland game next Friday - because neither Roy, nor Rudy can come close to guarding LeBron - but that would make sense, which means it won't happen. So, I'll go with 12/17 against Phoenix.
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That's a really good guess. We don't have anyone who can come close to matching LeBron, but Webster is at least not giving up as much height and strength as Roy or Rudy.

My hope is that we go at SF with the matchup of the night. Houston doesn't really have an overpowering SF, so we use Rudy. With Cleveland you go with Webster. New York, Rudy. Indiana, Webster.

Nate has never really switched starting lineups like that based on opponent, though, so who knows.

Guessing who starts at SF four games from now is as much a crapshoot as guessing who starts at PG four games from now.

There's a really, really good chance that Miller doesn't do well in his first stint as a starter so Nate ditches it and we're back to Blake. :(
 
mook said:
There's a really, really good chance that Miller doesn't do well in his first stint as a starter so Nate ditches it and we're back to Blake. :(
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I bet there's a really good chance Miller does do well in his first stint as the solo starting PG, and Nate still ditches it and we're back to "stable" Blake.
 
julius said:
I bet there's a really good chance Miller does do well in his first stint as the solo starting PG, and Nate still ditches it and we're back to "stable" Blake.
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If Oden and LMA are both hurt, I'd say it's a tossup.
 
You know this isn't exactly what I had envisioned, but I will more than happily take it! Such a relief.
 
I am hopeful this helps the team turn the corner. Miller will help get Oden more looks. Rudy will help space the floor better and will move without the ball. Hopefully they put in some plays for Roy to play with Oden.

For the first time in many many years, the Blazer starting offense will have 5 men on the floor who are all a threat to score. 3 are perimeter threats for spacing. I am giddy!:cheers:
 
hasoos said:
I am hopeful this helps the team turn the corner. Miller will help get Oden more looks. Rudy will help space the floor better and will move without the ball. Hopefully they put in some plays for Roy to play with Oden.

For the first time in many many years, the Blazer starting offense will have 5 men on the floor who are all a threat to score. 3 are perimeter threats for spacing. I am giddy!:cheers:
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I'm really hoping it works out with Rudy. I want to see him starting, but I don't see how he is going to defend small forwards.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I'm really hoping it works out with Rudy. I want to see him starting, but I don't see how he is going to defend small forwards.
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He may not be the one defending them. They might switch on defense. I wouldn't be surprised if they put him on the PG and Miller on the SG, and Roy on the SF.
 
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