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Re: Heres your trade imo

MIXUM said:
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Butler, Sangila, and a wiz throw in FOR outalw, sergio, raef

Blake/Bayless/Wiz scrub
Roy/Rudy
Butler/Webster/Batum
LA/Sangila/Frye
Oden/Pryz

Only thing about outlaw...is hes very valuable at PF for us
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I dont remember specifically, but did Quick hint at the positions? I just remember him saying that it would push us into contender category. But for some reason I assumed it was for a PG and SF.
 
he did...and we would be getting a SF and a pg

butler is our guy, rice has hinted at it so many times.
 
Butler, Sangila, and a wiz throw in FOR outalw, sergio, raef
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That would be an unbelievable trade from our view, but its highly doubtful they would accept it. I would pull the trigger in a heartbeat and add a 1st rounder.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Awesome trade, but still leaves us with a lot of clutter at the PG and SF positions (especially with Marty coming back in a few months).
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Not that much clutter; Blake has a team option at season's end so can be released or traded, and I think Jerryd would be well served to play behind Hinrich (who would be 29 next year) as a backup, getting maybe 15-20 minutes a night for next couple of seasons ... because as much as I love Jerryd's potential I recognize that he's still pretty raw being asked to run an offense full-time -- still he'd be a helluva microwave guy off the bench, essentially replacing Travis in that role.

As for Martell coming back in March, I don't see much of a logjam at all, he's going to be super rusty, and not nearly in any kind of basketball shape with us entering a stretch run; frankly I think Nate would have a hard time justifying putting him into the rotation at such a critical juncture. Down the line it might be something of an issue, but he's cheap enough (and still has enough upside) to move in a trade over the summer and it's likely we'll be in the market for a backup power forward.

I really like the thought of this lineup:

Hinrich/Jerryd/draft pick or Koponen
Brandon/Rudy/Jerryd
Deng/Batum
LMA/TBD or maybe Freeland?
Greg/Przy
 
Re: Heres your trade imo

ironcrotch said:
I dont remember specifically, but did Quick hint at the positions? I just remember him saying that it would push us into contender category. But for some reason I assumed it was for a PG and SF.
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He specifically said the deal with the Eastern team involved a point guard and a small forward and said that it probably pushes us into title contender territory.

There aren't too many Eastern teams I can think of where the small forward and point guard are both really good and available: Bulls, Bucks, Wizards(?), Charlotte (unlikely with Wallace on the shelf and Felton sucks)
 
PapaG said:
Nice. It would certainly shake up the roster, but wouldn't Blake have to be a part of the deal, somehow? Otherwise it looks like an absolute steal for Portland.
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Blake, Frye, Ike, Shavlik, Joe Prunty, Mike Rice, they can have 'em all for that deal.
 
bulls trade would make us make another deal. we would have 3 pgs and not have PT for bayless. ALSO WE HAVE NO BACKUP AT ALL TO LA.

bulls deal is possible but it would make us deal for another PF. I gues sthats not too tough to find if you offer a pick.
 
MIXUM said:
bulls trade would make us make another deal. we would have 3 pgs and not have PT for bayless. ALSO WE HAVE NO BACKUP AT ALL TO LA.
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unless thomas is in there somewhere. oooh the irony.
 
MIXUM said:
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4. Wizards. Seasons over. They wanna clear cap. Butler is teh perfect fit. Im sure the blazers wouldnt mind Lue on the bench for obvious reasons lol.
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Umm, Tyronn Lue is a Milwaukee Buck, not a Wizard.
 
MIXUM said:
bulls trade would make us make another deal. we would have 3 pgs and not have PT for bayless. ALSO WE HAVE NO BACKUP AT ALL TO LA.

bulls deal is possible but it would make us deal for another PF. I gues sthats not too tough to find if you offer a pick.
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Ike, Frye or Shavlik can be pressed into duty for the remainder of the season and I'm sure we can get a least a little productivity out of one of them.
 
sanglia is perfect for us. he actually hits 20 foot jumpers and plays defense
 
funny, according to storytellers website, RLEC would put the bulls right under the salary cap

interesting....
 
None of this is probably going to happen, but do people think Deng and Hinrich would really make us contenders now? I don't.

I can see a much better argument for Butler.
 
Reep said:
None of this is probably going to happen, but do people think Deng and Hinrich would really make us contenders now? I don't.

I can see a much better argument for Butler.
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with all of the other talent this roster has? Sure. The question rises, about what you have to give up.

A starting 5 of Hinrich/Roy/Deng/LMA/Oden is very, very good and it's not like we need Kirk or Deng to be the best players on the roster.
 
Reep said:
None of this is probably going to happen, but do people think Deng and Hinrich would really make us contenders now? I don't.

I can see a much better argument for Butler.
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I agree. Butler would make the "Big 3" become the "Big 4". And that, my friends, is what championships are made of.
 
Nikolokolus said:
with all of the other talent this roster has? Sure. The question rises, about what you have to give up.

A starting 5 of Hinrich/Roy/Deng/LMA/Oden is very, very good and it's not like we need Kirk or Deng to be the best players on the roster.
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My only problem with that is that you start getting into the 2001 Blazers mindset of "STOCKPILE GREAT PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION REGARDLESS OF CHEMISTRY". There's something to be said for role players, and the NBA isn't a fantasy league.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
My only problem with that is that you start getting into the 2001 Blazers mindset of "STOCKPILE GREAT PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION REGARDLESS OF CHEMISTRY". There's something to be said for role players, and the NBA isn't a fantasy league.
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In KP we trust!
 
chris_in_pdx said:
My only problem with that is that you start getting into the 2001 Blazers mindset of "STOCKPILE GREAT PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION REGARDLESS OF CHEMISTRY". There's something to be said for role players, and the NBA isn't a fantasy league.
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I would put Hinrich and Deng in the "good to very good" category, with Deng having the potential to be a near all-star level player (maybe). I agree that you can't have scorers at every position, but players with complimentary skill sets are a different animal. Hinrich is a very good defender, a so-so scorer and good distributor, Roy: brilliant facilitator and scorer and adequate defender, Deng: good mid-range shooter, pretty good defender, good rebounder, LMA: rounding into a great two way player, but still a mediocre rebounder, Greg: already a great rebounder and decent post defender, the rest remains shrouded in mystery.

To me this puts the team on par with the kinds of rosters the early nineties Blazers fielded, not the (mostly) selfish hodgepodge Whitsitt compiled.
 
chris_in_pdx said:
My only problem with that is that you start getting into the 2001 Blazers mindset of "STOCKPILE GREAT PLAYERS AT EVERY POSITION REGARDLESS OF CHEMISTRY". There's something to be said for role players, and the NBA isn't a fantasy league.
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There's no rule that says superior players can't play roles.

In fact, I'd prefer to have a superior player as a role player than a guy who's lucky to be in the NBA or in a rotation.

It's about attitude and it's about coaching. I don't think that Roy or Oden or Aldridge or Hinrich or Deng--or even Butler, for that matter--have exhibited a reluctance to do what's best for the team.

Maybe it's because the Big Three are young, or maybe it's because they understand that's how success is achieved as a team.

Ed O.
 
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chris_in_pdx said:
We all thought Bob Whitsitt was a wheeling-dealing genius, too. The pressures of success destroyed him. I hope the same doesn't happen to KP.
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Whittsitt also revealed some what ruefully that he wasn't a chemistry major ... and it showed. My thought is that if KP has a moderate upgrade to Blake at the 1 and big upgrade to Nicolas' raw game at the 3 as targets, then he's thinking about the chemistry issues that could arise and will act accordingly.

KP may not be a chemistry major, but he's shown himself to be helluva alchemist.
 
I can't imagine the Bulls would trade Deng and Hinrich for that. Deng's playing well now that he's finally healthy, and that'd be a pretty pointless exercise on the Bulls' part.

I don't know if Nocioni is considered an SF (he's just an F), but I'll poop with joy if it were Hinrich+Noc for those three.

For you guys... well, start learning these phrases: toughness, energy, veteran leadership, mopey, missed assignments, streaky, long-term contracts.
 
Not sure why people are in love with Hinrich and Deng, when have they done anything of remembrance?

Butler > Deng and Kirk put together IMO.

Butler single handedly puts us into the playoffs with ease. I dont know if Kirk and Deng would do it for me.
 
free_lafrentz said:
Not sure why people are in love with Hinrich and Deng, when have they done anything of remembrance?

Butler > Deng and Kirk put together IMO.

Butler single handedly puts us into the playoffs with ease. I dont know if Kirk and Deng would do it for me.
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I would rather Butler over a combination of Deng and Henrich, but I think both options are upgrades.
 
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