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Somehow, Some way, we need Danny Granger!

Get er done KP!!
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Thought i would post this in two threads since they both relate. Sorry:

I don't think Quick ever has inside scoop, but if there is any smoke to his trade rumor, I think it is NJ. I think that NJ would do anything to get rid of Carter's contract and get in the LJ sweepstates. I think they would include Harris to get rid of Carter and they would want Bayless in return along with Raef and filler.

That is a lot of money for Paul.
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I think Quick is talking out his ass...but since we're all fantasing...here is the trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...454~2795&teams=22~22~22~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=

We trade,

Jerryd Bayless
Martell Webster
Steve Blake
Raef Lafrentz


We get back,

Devin Harrris
Vince Carter
Yi Jianlian


The key to this trade is not Harris or Carter but Yi Jianlian. With Yi on our team, Paul Allen will make a fortune in new revenue in China and all our starters will be voted to start the All-Star team next year and every year after until the NBA finally changes the way players are chosen for the game.

Ok...that is my fantasy
 
roydezlaw said:
I think Quick is talking out his ass...but since we're all fantasing...here is the trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...454~2795&teams=22~22~22~17~17~17~17&te=&cash=

We trade,

Jerryd Bayless
Martell Webster
Steve Blake
Raef Lafrentz


We get back,

Devin Harrris
Vince Carter
Yi Jianlian


The key to this trade is not Harris or Carter but Yi Jianlian. With Yi on our team, Paul Allen will make a fortune in new revenue in China and all our starters will be voted to start the All-Star team next year and every year after until the NBA finally changes the way players are chosen for the game.

Ok...that is my fantasy
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Oops...I just read Vince Carter thread and most of this was already dreamed about yesterday.
 
I think Quick is talking out his ass...but since we're all fantasing...here is the trade.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/feature...7~17&te=&cash=

We trade,

Jerryd Bayless
Martell Webster
Steve Blake
Raef Lafrentz


We get back,

Devin Harrris
Vince Carter
Yi Jianlian


The key to this trade is not Harris or Carter but Yi Jianlian. With Yi on our team, Paul Allen will make a fortune in new revenue in China and all our starters will be voted to start the All-Star team next year and every year after until the NBA finally changes the way players are chosen for the game.

Ok...that is my fantasy
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At the least it would take a 1st, Bayless, Rudy, Batum, Outlaw and Raef and maybe Joel to even start talking aboutthem giving up Harris, even to get rid of Carter's contract and Yi. But I feel ya that this is a dream scenerio, so i'm right with ya. I'd do it in a second! Only for Harris though, I don't care about anyone else, and Yi wouldn't see time and would be bitching, as would China, lol. But i would def. be willing to part w/ Bayless, Rudy and Raef for someone like Granger or Harris... even Batum which is tougher.

Be prepared to part with Lamarcus, Brandon or Greg then.
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Well we are talkin' dream scenerio's. Those are 2 of the players i'd want the most not named LeBron, Williams or Paul... I'd probably want Stuckey, Rose and Harris as the 3 PGs... and noone more than Granger at SF outside Bron.
 
bigbailes said:
miller likes to run an uptempo offense, then why would he want to resign with us in the off season? nate has the reigns pulled very tightly on this team, no uptempo to be seen in PDX.
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What are you talking about? This team runs plenty. Its not Phoenix, but that's fine. The reins here are not "pulled tightly." Coached well, you bet.
 
Darkwebs said:
I had a dream last night that we got Marvin Williams via trade. Maybe the Eastern team is Atlanta.

What about something like Bibby and Marvin Williams for Raef, Outlaw, and Sergio? This works under the salary cap. http://games.espn.go.com/nba/featur...797~454~2015~3025&teams=22~22~1~1~1&te=&cash=
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I think this is THE trade....

ATL is competing for a playoff spot, but they are a financial mess right now...they just signed Josh Smith and Joe Joe Johnson to big deals and this summer both Mike Bibby AND Marvin Williams are FA....Remember they let Josh Childress walk last year b\c they thought they could re-sign him on the cheap and miscalculated interest (and his interest) from overseas....

I think the chances are VERY good that they lose one if not both players in FA......for nothing.....

So why would they NOT pass up on an opportunity to get some young players, maybe a pick AND keep a majority of that cap space (if they had let Bibby & Marvin walk)?

LaFrentz's deal is basically free this year and a huge expiring...

They could get a young PG...either Sergio or Bayless (likely would have to be Bayless, but who knows?)

They get a young SF in Outlaw (Would POR deal Batum? not likely)...

maybe a filler contract like a Frye...who POR was going to let walk anyhow...to help with thier short bench....

Both Bayless\Sergio and Outlaw would be on very cheap deals...and you can't tell me that in the EC...That a team with Bayless, Johnson, Smith, Horford and Pachulia with Outlaw, Law & Frye coming off the bench wouldn't have a VERY good chance to make the playoffs...b\c they certainly would...

and it fits in with what POR mgmt has repeatedly stated...a player that fits in with thier core...Marvin Williams is 22 years old...and has a lot of room to grow as a player.....I think he would be avery good addition....

and I like the addition of a guy like Bibby a lot.....He instantly makes that starting unit more efffective...He is certainly a major upgrade over Blake, who would move into a b\u role...until Sergio proves himself ready (he is) to assume that spot.....

PG: Bibby, Blake, Sergio (or Bayless)
SG: Roy, Fernandez
SF: M.Williams (could play some b\u PF as well), Webster, Batum
PF: Aldridge, Diogu, Randolph (for now....Freeland, FA pickup or future draft pick down the road?)
C: Oden, Przybilla

I woudln't mind Hinrich\Deng either, or finding some way to get Caron Butler, however unlikely that is to occur...and perhaps G.Wallace and R.Felton could be a likely deal as well...but I am pretty sure that POR has expressed interest in M.Williams before, and Bibby is the best AVAILABLE PG they could hope to get (heck I would recommend they pursue him in FA anyway)...This is the deal they should be working on IMO....
 
Blaze01 said:
I think this is THE trade....

ATL is competing for a playoff spot, but they are a financial mess right now...they just signed Josh Smith and Joe Joe Johnson to big deals and this summer both Mike Bibby AND Marvin Williams are FA....Remember they let Josh Childress walk last year b\c they thought they could re-sign him on the cheap and miscalculated interest (and his interest) from overseas....

I think the chances are VERY good that they lose one if not both players in FA......for nothing.....

So why would they NOT pass up on an opportunity to get some young players, maybe a pick AND keep a majority of that cap space (if they had let Bibby & Marvin walk)?

LaFrentz's deal is basically free this year and a huge expiring...

They could get a young PG...either Sergio or Bayless (likely would have to be Bayless, but who knows?)

They get a young SF in Outlaw (Would POR deal Batum? not likely)...

maybe a filler contract like a Frye...who POR was going to let walk anyhow...to help with thier short bench....

Both Bayless\Sergio and Outlaw would be on very cheap deals...and you can't tell me that in the EC...That a team with Bayless, Johnson, Smith, Horford and Pachulia with Outlaw, Law & Frye coming off the bench wouldn't have a VERY good chance to make the playoffs...b\c they certainly would...

and it fits in with what POR mgmt has repeatedly stated...a player that fits in with thier core...Marvin Williams is 22 years old...and has a lot of room to grow as a player.....I think he would be avery good addition....

and I like the addition of a guy like Bibby a lot.....He instantly makes that starting unit more efffective...He is certainly a major upgrade over Blake, who would move into a b\u role...until Sergio proves himself ready (he is) to assume that spot.....

PG: Bibby, Blake, Sergio (or Bayless)
SG: Roy, Fernandez
SF: M.Williams (could play some b\u PF as well), Webster, Batum
PF: Aldridge, Diogu, Randolph (for now....Freeland, FA pickup or future draft pick down the road?)
C: Oden, Przybilla

I woudln't mind Hinrich\Deng either, or finding some way to get Caron Butler, however unlikely that is to occur...and perhaps G.Wallace and R.Felton could be a likely deal as well...but I am pretty sure that POR has expressed interest in M.Williams before, and Bibby is the best AVAILABLE PG they could hope to get (heck I would recommend they pursue him in FA anyway)...This is the deal they should be working on IMO....
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If it doesn't make ATL any better (which it clearly doesn't), then they won't be interested. As much as cap space looks attractive, a top tier team in the Eastern conference isn't looking for a salary dump with 2 of their best players. We would likely have to give up one of our core to get them, which isn't happening, either.

If you haven't noticed, pretty much every team we've been rumored with lately is a sub-.500 team looking to donate one of their better players for Raef, not a playoff contender (unless you want to call Dallas that).
 
PapaG said:
Expectations as high as Bayless, who gets clobbered on here at times?
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Since I resemble that remark I'd like to clarify.

I do not criticize Bayless as not meeting my expectations. He has performed pretty much like I expected.

I merely criticize other poster's absurdly unrealistic expectations of him, and their unfounded insistence that he has in any way consistently met them so far.
 
MARIS61 said:
Since I resemble that remark I'd like to clarify.

I do not criticize Bayless as not meeting my expectations. He has performed pretty much like I expected.

I merely criticize other poster's absurdly unrealistic expectations of him, and their unfounded insistence that he has in any way consistently met them so far.
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So now you know how most of the rest of us feel when you incessantly pump up Sergio
 
MARIS61 said:
Since I resemble that remark I'd like to clarify.

I do not criticize Bayless as not meeting my expectations. He has performed pretty much like I expected.

I merely criticize other poster's absurdly unrealistic expectations of him, and their unfounded insistence that he has in any way consistently met them so far.
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Hypocrisy is a bitch.
 
Stevenson said:
What are you talking about? This team runs plenty. Its not Phoenix, but that's fine. The reins here are not "pulled tightly." Coached well, you bet.
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Um.

You know what "Pace" is, right?

And you know that the Blazers are last in it, right?

25 Cleveland 91.8
26 San Antonio 90.5
27 Charlotte 90.2
28 Detroit 89.7
29 New Orleans 89.6
30 Portland 88.6

As you can see, it's not even close, with three teams closer to NO than Portland is.

The Blazers do NOT run in comparison to every other NBA team.

Ed O.
 
I think Brandon is more the reason the team doesn't run than Nate. When Sergio/Rudy/Bayless, etc. are moving the ball up, they can go plenty fast and push the break. Passing the ball to Brandon almost instantly kills any break. Very rarely does he push it.

It would be interesting to see what the "pace" is with Bradon in and out of the lineup. My guess is the number of fast breaks triples.
 
Reep said:
I think Brandon is more the reason the team doesn't run than Nate. When Sergio/Rudy/Bayless, etc. are moving the ball up, they can go plenty fast and push the break. Passing the ball to Brandon almost instantly kills any break. Very rarely does he push it.

It would be interesting to see what the "pace" is with Bradon in and out of the lineup. My guess is the number of fast breaks triples.
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Look at Nate's coaching career, though. His teams have, with only one or two exceptions, always been in the bottom third of the NBA, and often in the bottom five.

Ed O.
 
Ed O said:
Um.

You know what "Pace" is, right?

And you know that the Blazers are last in it, right?

25 Cleveland 91.8
26 San Antonio 90.5
27 Charlotte 90.2
28 Detroit 89.7
29 New Orleans 89.6
30 Portland 88.6
As you can see, it's not even close, with three teams closer to NO than Portland is.

The Blazers do NOT run in comparison to every other NBA team.

Ed O.
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Damn those are some good teams.............
 
Ed O said:
Look at Nate's coaching career, though. His teams have, with only one or two exceptions, always been in the bottom third of the NBA, and often in the bottom five.

Ed O.
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No doubt that Nate doesn't emphasis the break. But, I couldn't help noticing recently how many more breaks the team gets when Brandon doesn't touch the ball. The ultimate speed drill appears to be outletting to Rudy on the side. It doesn't sit in his hands very long.
 
Reep said:
No doubt that Nate doesn't emphasis the break. But, I couldn't help noticing recently how many more breaks the team gets when Brandon doesn't touch the ball. The ultimate speed drill appears to be outletting to Rudy on the side. It doesn't sit in his hands very long.
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Brandon likes having the ball in his hands. I noticed during the All-Star game last year, it bothered him that Chris Paul was dominating the ball. Funny though, he played really well with CP3. I think Roy could be a spot up shooter, it's just not his style.
 
Ed O said:
Um.

You know what "Pace" is, right?

And you know that the Blazers are last in it, right?

25 Cleveland 91.8
26 San Antonio 90.5
27 Charlotte 90.2
28 Detroit 89.7
29 New Orleans 89.6
30 Portland 88.6

As you can see, it's not even close, with three teams closer to NO than Portland is.

The Blazers do NOT run in comparison to every other NBA team.

Ed O.
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look at those teams. i like to be categorized with them
 
free_lafrentz said:
If it doesn't make ATL any better (which it clearly doesn't), then they won't be interested. As much as cap space looks attractive, a top tier team in the Eastern conference isn't looking for a salary dump with 2 of their best players. We would likely have to give up one of our core to get them, which isn't happening, either.

If you haven't noticed, pretty much every team we've been rumored with lately is a sub-.500 team looking to donate one of their better players for Raef, not a playoff contender (unless you want to call Dallas that).
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I disagree. I think the ATL trade has serious merit. Assume the trade proposal is Bibby + Williams for Travis + Sergio + Reaf.

Atlanta would be taking back approximately $3-million less in salary. So this would save them roughly $5.5-million this year ($1.5 from the ½ years salary difference + $4 from LaFrentz insurance).

When you have financial issues like the Hawks do, CASH IS KING!

The Hawks and Thrashers have lost $174 million since the 2002-2003 seasons, including more than $50 million in the last two years, according to court documents associated with an ongoing feud between the teams' eight owners.

http://www.ajc.com/hawks/content/sports/stories/2009/01/28/hawks_thrashers.html
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There is NO WAY the Hawks would resign Bibby. So the trade really boils down to Williams for Travis + Sergio. That is close to being a fair trade IMO. When you consider that Atlanta would have two productive young talents under contract for next year for only $5-million (when it would cost $8-10 million to resign Williams), the trade quickly becomes fair.
 
Bibby wouldn't be bad... but would Marvin Williams really be the kind of small forward that we want? I haven't been able to watch much of him over the past couple years, but I've never been under the impression that he's a solid defender or passer, am I wrong?
 
Natebishop3 said:
Bibby wouldn't be bad... but would Marvin Williams really be the kind of small forward that we want? I haven't been able to watch much of him over the past couple years, but I've never been under the impression that he's a solid defender or passer, am I wrong?
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he is averaging 13.7 PPG and 6.3 RPG and shooting 38.8% from three. His PER is 15.96, TS is .579. His rebounding, PER and TS have improved each season he has been starting

His d has been improving and I would say he's an average defender right now and he gets about 1 steal a game.

He's definitely better than the SF's we have right now, and he doesn't mind not being the #1, #2 or #3 guy.

Although I do hope Batum will become better, and I think it's very possible
 
At this point, I would rather have an older Vince Carter who is playing All-Star caliber basketball, than a young Marvin Williams. I think the goal at this point should be to find a stop-gap, so Batum can be allowed to develop. I think Batum is the future. We've all seen the flashes. He's going to be a good player. If a Vince Carter can come in for 3-4 years and play at a high level, than leave or step back, that would be ideal.
 
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