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Every time I watch Nolan Smith play I am impressed. He clearly is a guy who played four years of college, the right way, at a major basketball powerhouse. His hoops IQ seems high and he is fundamentally sound.
 
BLAZINGGIANTS said:
That really is the only reason I can find as to why we'd play Felton, and I said so a long time ago. You black ball a player, hurt his value.... his agent will not allow his players to come to your team. And the player and agent spread the word amongst other players and agents. "Don't go to Portland - they will fuck over your value." Or "Portland is a shitty organization to deal with." It happens all the time in sports, really.
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Think most can agree that Felton has black balled himself, no blaming the organization. Fact is, Portland has the best fans in the league and a culture that cares about winning, bottom line that's what attracts players here.

Nikolokolus said:
don't half-ass it by continuing to ride Felton when you absolutely know he's not coming back and you have important decisions to make on Smith and Flynn
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You absolutely know it, The Blazers Organization does not. Fact is, Felton's the only one experienced enough of all our guards.
 
Had a few lunches with Paul Allen and Larry Miller have you? Did they give you a scouting report too about some of the players they might be looking at in the draft?
 
HailBlazers said:
Think most can agree that Felton has black balled himself, no blaming the organization. Fact is, Portland has the best fans in the league and a culture that cares about winning, bottom line that's what attracts players here.
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Wish I could agree. While I agree Felton is responsible for the mess surrounding his situation, that sentiment really only stays in Portland. But the fact is, the players and agents have far too much influence and impact. Portland can't afford to damage it's image with potential FA's. Fact is, situations like this have been occurring for years. You screw with a player, whether or not the player deserved it, and the organization that screwed with the player often faces ramifications, such as players avoiding the organization or agents steering their players away.

And the fact is, Portland has long struggled to be a destination for FA's. Brian Grant may be the biggest score for us in modern history. Not bad, not great, though. So, while I agree we have the best fans, our history (or lack there of) of landing FA's tells me that there is a lot more to landing players than the fans.

And I hate to say it, but I think there would be a lot of players who would be unsure of joining an organization in such disarray. Not saying things won't settle before the summer FA period begins, but I'm not holding my breathe, either.
 
HailBlazers said:
You absolutely know it, The Blazers Organization does not. Fact is, Felton's the only one experienced enough of all our guards.
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Our only guard experienced at what? JC, Wes... they both have experience.

If you're just referring to PG's.... This is the time to get our young guys experience and exposure. They aren't going to grow without playing. Sure, we lose some games (which ultimately benefits our draft position). But we're not making the playoffs, anyway, so let's get a better position in the draft AND develop guys who could be here next year, rather than playing some headache who will not be back.
 
Want a scouting report on Smith and Flynn, that's easy . . . niether are starting NBA point guards.

I know the love affair trap that often happens with new players and draft picks, but does Quick really think the Blazers don't know what they have in these "new" players . . . not that hard to figure out why Flynn has been bounced around and why Thabeet can't get any playing time in the NBA. Blazers didn't make the trades for these players and I doubt they are signifcant pieces in any good team going forward.

When the Blazers are mathmatically out of it, then it's time to rest Aldridge and company for the season and let the young guys play lots of minutes in the last 5 or so games.

But unitl then the idea of playing these guys lots of minutes and benching Felton is the same as saying the Blazers are giving up trying to win games. And I think that is a bad idea of a few levels (resigning Nic, attracting FAs, keeping LA happy)

Qucik doesn't think the Blazers owe Felton anything, but he should go on and say they don't owe Flynn or Thabeet anything. To change game plans to get these guys minutes is like the tail wagging the dog.
 
Geart post, very astute. Fuck Quick, he couldent hit a nail with a fuckin Hummer.Just more of his self promoting , self aggrandizing bullshit.
 
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
 
mook said:
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
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Very good point.

We can only hope that those "in charge" are actually that smart... Even after the deadline (which I call an A++), I'm not holding my breath...
 
mook said:
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
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Good points, and worth bringing this perspective up. I have thought about this, but really, sitting guys on the bench for the last 20 or so games of the season to limit their exposure.... If it were me, I'd be thinking that the organization "thinks so little of me that they don't even care to play me and see what I have. And we're not even a playoff team?" The organization then has to play damage control with the players at year-end when trying to re-sign them, which is never a good thing.
 
mook said:
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
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Really solid post. Kinda ends the thread.

Rep'd.
 
mook said:
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
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I thought about that, but he's a UFA. That wouldn't work because I suspect he's going to want to go somewhere this summer that will actually give him PT. If we won't even give him PT in his contract year, why would he want to stay here? Someone is going to offer him a deal. Maybe not a big one, but I think he's going to want a promise of PT over a big contract at this point. He better get some burn or he's going to have a sour taste in his mouth.
 
mook said:
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
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That seems like an awfully big (and risky) scheme for a Johnny Flynn.

Guessing it's a small NBA community where if Flynn was this point guard secret of having potential as shown during practice, the word would spread from both Minny and Houston that he is worth paying if you need a point guard. So seems like a risky move by Blazers if they really are intending to sign him (sign him on a lowball contract because no one else will know much about him).

But interesting theory and hope thatFlynn might be a player that will help the Blazers
 
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Quick chastises Felton for tanking, then chastises the Blazers for not tanking.

Reading his column is like reading the bible.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
That seems like an awfully big (and risky) scheme for a Johnny Flynn.

Guessing it's a small NBA community where if Flynn was this point guard secret of having potential as shown during practice, the word would spread from both Minny and Houston that he is worth paying if you need a point guard. So seems like a risky move by Blazers if they really are intending to sign him (sign him on a lowball contract because no one else will know much about him).

But interesting theory and hope thatFlynn might be a player that will help the Blazers
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You may be right. I don't know. I'm obviously just speculating here, just like everybody else. But Portland has had a bitch of a time finding a decent young point guard since, well, fucking forever. And as we all know, it's not like they haven't tried. With the history of Paul Allen/Vulcan, this theory doesn't seem that far fetched to me. Desperate times call for strange measures.

I suppose this could piss off Flynn and make him even more eager to leave. I guess that's where you have to communicate well with him and sell him on the idea that Portland is just giving Felton his respect, as they will Flynn next year. Assuming Portland likes what they see from Flynn in practice and want him back.
 
mook said:
You may be right. I don't know. I'm obviously just speculating here, just like everybody else. But Portland has had a bitch of a time finding a decent young point guard since, well, fucking forever. And as we all know, it's not like they haven't tried. With the history of Paul Allen/Vulcan, this theory doesn't seem that far fetched to me. Desperate times call for strange measures.

I suppose this could piss off Flynn and make him even more eager to leave. I guess that's where you have to communicate well with him and sell him on the idea that Portland is just giving Felton his respect, as they will Flynn next year. Assuming Portland likes what they see from Flynn in practice and want him back.
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Were getting DWill next year our PG problems will be solved! Were also winning the #1 pick with our seed and getting NJ's 4th pick.

Damnit why did I have to wake up! :(
 
mook said:
One reason that hasn't really been talked about much is the idea that we might be hiding Flynn (and to a lesser extent Thabeet).

We have absolutely no leg up on any other team in signing Flynn to a super cheap contract next year. But his value is way, way down at this point. Rather than try to raise his value, perhaps the Blazers organization prefers to see it languish. There's no upside for Portland in showing off Flynn's skills. It merely makes the price of re-signing him more expensive.

Portland has one advantage no other team has with Flynn. They get to see him in practice against NBA competition. They get to see what he's got while no other team has that opportunity.

Assuming Portland likes what it sees in those practices, they'll be bidding for his services in a very low market they helped create.

Meanwhile, they also get the benefit of being Free Agent Good Guys by not sabotaging Felton's career by benching him for the rest of the year. Kind of a win-win.

I think the lack of Bird Rights makes this a much weirder dynamic than your typical youngster-free-agent-on-a-rebuilding-team scenario. Portland has little control over anything except the flow of information. I personally think they're trying to stifle that flow while they evaluate Flynn's future with the team.

I hope that's the case, at least.
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My first instinct was to laugh at this post, and the prospects of some supersecret plan to hide Jonny Flynn, but then I realized it's the Blazers, and that any screwed up and wacky plan is within the realm of possibility. Continue to play Felton for some reason, and sit the young PGs on the bench, because they might get a chance to prove themselves in the 3 practices left this season.

The more plausible theory is that Canales is coaching to win, and that some in the organization want to tank, while others aren't sure, so veterans like Felton, who destroyed this season, now continue to see the court because they offer the best chance to win.

Clown Town
 
PapaG said:
My first instinct was to laugh at this post, and the prospects of some supersecret plan to hide Jonny Flynn, but then I realized it's the Blazers, and that any screwed up and wacky plan is within the realm of possibility. Continue to play Felton for some reason, and sit the young PGs on the bench, because they might get a chance to prove themselves in the 3 practices left this season.

The more plausible theory is that Canales is coaching to win, and that some in the organization want to tank, while others aren't sure, so veterans like Felton, who destroyed this season, now continue to see the court because they offer the best chance to win.

Clown Town
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Clown town, my friend.... clown town.
 
BlazerBeav said:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I think I've seen enough of Nolan Smith to know that he is not now, nor ever will be, a quality PG in the NBA.
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People are really pining for Flynn & Smith??? I fully realize that reality w/Felton sucks, but the bench options are worse. Posters blaming the coach for not turning water into wine.... smh

tonight will be an eyefull

STOMP
 
STOMP said:
People are really pining for Flynn & Smith??? I fully realize that reality w/Felton sucks, but the bench options are worse. Posters blaming the coach for not turning water into wine.... smh

tonight will be an eyefull

STOMP
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It will be an eyefull no doubt. Westbrook will be a great test fot them. Not that he doesn't light most guards up. I would much rather watch Smith and Flynn struggle guarding him than Crawford or Felton though.

This is one game I will miss "Crash" . Not sure who will guard Durant when Batum is out. This game could be really ugly. Felton "Picked" a good game to miss.
 
I'm not exactly 'pining' for Flynn & Smith. But I'm sick of watching Felton and Crawford, and I hope to god neither has a future with the Blazers. Granted, they are both more bad than good, which is good for those who want more lottery balls. But I would rather the team play and coach the hell out of Flynn, Smith, Babbitt and Thabust for the rest of the year.
 
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