Quick: Offseason plans

[Ripcity4life77]

Come on TB -- I mean having a 7 footer who does not box out and an aging Melo who is slow footed and even in his prime was avg or so does not equal good defense --- who would have thought that would be a recipe for disaster ...... oh yeah almost every Blazer fan with a brain but not NeO so makes me wonder what he does in the office. I wonder if he is trying to get back into acting and memorizing lines for Young or Gen. Hospital or something cause it sure as HECK is not using common basketball IQ and such.

 

[Scalma]

The Kanter issue was only magnified because of Collins setback. Last time he was here those two played well together. Hindsight is 20/20.

 

[TBpup]

The Kanter issue was only magnified because of Collins setback. Last time he was here those two played well together. Hindsight is 20/20.

Nope....it was pretty much current eyesight.....every single game. It was brutal. Defending those two on defense...SMH, then....

 

[cheesehoff]

As for if Portland were to get the #3, this Draft is being talked about as the best since the LeBron James, Melo, Wade, Bosh Draft of 2003. So help could be available immediately and could go a long way towards helping Dame for years to come and transitioning to the next Blazer era.

Agree...100%. I don't know if it's been accepted here for so long that fans have forgotten, but rookies can be pretty productive. Especially a top 10 pick. Maybe not offensively as much as defense and rebounding. Under Stotts it was expected that rookies wouldn't get enough minutes to contribute. But it's crazy to think Suggs or Mobley couldn't contribute on a championship team. Not a huge role, but a bench contribution is easy to expect.
Plus, trading away our 1st round picks has contributed to the current situation and means we would be in this same position next year. And the key tool we have as a non-fa destination is the draft. Yet people talk about tossing in picks like they are tokens for a video game.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

I mean Stotts was just following through on the promise to protect Melo's legacy... oh and Stotts is already fired supposedly because there were no problems with the roster, it was all Terry's fault.

Really? What about Tolliver before that? Did someone want to protect his legacy too? And, I have less of a problem with Melo's time than I do Kanter's. Stotts has had defensive players this whole time but he showed his priorities. He just wanted shooters. Tolliver took time from Little last season too. Can you hold two thoughts in your head at the same time? The roster IS flawed AND it was better than the Nuggets in the playoffs. Any competent coach would have beaten the injured Nuggets.

 

[crandc]

hahaha, excuse me

I will drive up from Oakland right now to Portland and personally drag McCollum's ass to Cleveland if that is the case.

Didn't know you live in Oakland, neighbor!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Well, we could have had Collins + someone on the latter 5, if you love Collins so much.

Anunoby is the one that got away. A ton of people here wanted him, and he kept falling because of injury/project concerns, but then they took an project anyways. Ugh.

Hell, we probably could have had Collins at 15 and still got two more good players.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

For the first time since he’s been here, it seems like the team has realized McCollum is not good enough to be the teams second best player. That’s a significant first step that hasn’t been acknowledged until now. Now we gotta find a trade partner. If Philly doesn’t think he’s worth Simmons, there’s not much Olshey can do except move on and find someone else.

I think on the low-end we end up with a guy like Tobias Harris. I wouldn't be excited but he's a better fit. But, I don't think we're going to get low-end. I think we'll do significantly better.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

thankfully you’re not the GM. That’s one of the worst contracts in the league.

His contract is one year shorter than CJ's and it falls by $3 million in it's last year while CJ's increase by $3 million that year and then another $2 million in the last year. So in 2022-23 Cj will get 33 million and Love 28 million. And we get the third pick in the draft and get to keep Powell.

 

[blazerkor]

Really? What about Tolliver before that? Did someone want to protect his legacy too? And, I have less of a problem with Melo's time than I do Kanter's. Stotts has had defensive players this whole time but he showed his priorities. He just wanted shooters. Tolliver took time from Little last season too. Can you hold two thoughts in your head at the same time? The roster IS flawed AND it was better than the Nuggets in the playoffs. Any competent coach would have beaten the injured Nuggets.

That's cool, I totally wanted Stotts fired and hated who he chose to play, who he played them with and a lot of times when he chose to play them. That being said the roster was poorly constructed and neither Stotts or Olshey seemed to care if we could defend our opponents.

 

[calvin natt]

Jesus can we pump the brakes like anyone knows if any of this is even true, like Neil factually rejected the 4th pick for CJ. First of all that doesn’t even work. It doesn’t make sense.

 

[Natebishop3]

Jesus can we pump the brakes like anyone knows if any of this is even true, like Neil factually rejected the 4th pick for CJ. First of all that doesn’t even work. It doesn’t make sense.

It works. CJ for Love and pick.

 

[LayneStaley]

3way with Phil and Cle

Love/Simmons to PDX
CJ/Thybulle to Cle
Sexton/Nance/#3 to Philly

Those are the key pieces, scrubs with salary added to make the money work. I don’t want Love but…

Dame
Powell
RoCo
Love
Simmons

I’m assuming Nurk needs to be in the deal somewhere with something else coming back. I don’t like it actually.

 

[Natebishop3]

3way with Phil and Cle

Love/Simmons to PDX
CJ/Thybulle to Cle
Sexton/Nance/#3 to Philly

Those are the key pieces, scrubs with salary added to make the money work. I don’t want Love but…

Dame
Powell
RoCo
Love
Simmons

I’m assuming Nurk needs to be in the deal somewhere with something else coming back. I don’t like it actually.

Love is terrible dude. Legit awful now.

 

[Scalma]

His contract is one year shorter than CJ's and it falls by $3 million in it's last year while CJ's increase by $3 million that year and then another $2 million in the last year. So in 2022-23 Cj will get 33 million and Love 28 million. And we get the third pick in the draft and get to keep Powell.

CJ is a lot more valuable than Love. A lot.

 

[Sheldon Shape]

neither Stotts or Olshey seemed to care if we could defend our opponents.

Really? That's why he went out and got Covington and Jones who are among the best in defensive metrics the season before? That's not true. You could say Olshey didn't do enough to mitigate it and that would certainly be up for debate but he seriously addressed the defense with those two moves in addition to acquiring Powell.

I'm willing to roast and ask Olshey to be fired if he doesn't do what's necessary to giving this team the best shot but I'm hopeful he'll do a good job. Cross your fingers and stay hopeful.

 

[blazerkor]

Really? That's why he went out and got Covington and Jones who are among the best in defensive metrics the season before? That's not true. You could say Olshey didn't do enough to mitigate it and that would certainly be up for debate but he seriously addressed the defense with those two moves in addition to acquiring Powell.

I'm willing to roast and ask Olshey to be fired if he doesn't do what's necessary to giving this team the best shot but I'm hopeful he'll do a good job. Cross your fingers and stay hopeful.

And then stacked the bench with guys that can't guard anyone, left our back court with two bad defenders... yep I'd say that Olshey doesn't put nearly enough value on defense in the moves he makes. It makes sense though, it's like the fact that he can't seem to wrap his head around Dame and CJ being less than the sum of their parts on offense... they're two great offensive players but they aren't complementary. Why would Olshey understand this stuff though? He just gets talent and expects the rest to work itself out, the guy never gives a shit about continuity, balancing the roster or fit.

It's because he's not a basketball guy, he's a salesman. The guy didn't start his career in basketball until he was 37 and he's 56. He didn't do shit with basketball in college. So he spent half of his adult life doing something other than basketball and then tried to pick it up. He's not a basketball guy, he's a salesman and it shows.

 

[blazerkor]

CJ is a lot more valuable than Love. A lot.

Yeah, I believe strongly that CJ has positive value at 30M per season and Love definitely has negative value at that salary. That being said without taking on the negative value of Love, is CJ worth the 3rd pick in this draft? He's not.

It's all a moot point though because I don't think the third pick in the draft and love taking up all of that cap space for the next two seasons is going to communicate urgency for a championship to Dame. If we were scrapping the whole roster and rebuilding it would definitely be something to consider though.

 

[James lamphear]

I will wait and see what olshey does because I just don't see to much he can do to make this team better. If he runs it back you still 2 guards are not good defender it's doesn't matter who the coach is. Yes they could come different schemes but I still don't much better maybe 18 to 20 for team defense and that's not good enough to win a championship.

 

[South East]

If Minnesota would consider a big haul for Kat making it a 3 team trade with a guaranteed top 3 pick would look very attractive. This would set them up to build off a Edwards.

Portland
Out - CJ, Nurk, 22 1st, 24 1st
In - KAT, Love

Minn
Out - KAT
In - Nurk, 3rd pick, 22 1st, 24 1st

Clev
Out - Love, 3rd pick
In - CJ

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Jesus can we pump the brakes like anyone knows if any of this is even true, like Neil factually rejected the 4th pick for CJ. First of all that doesn’t even work. It doesn’t make sense.

We're waiting for you to find out if it's true or not!

 

[MickZagger]

my main takeaway from Quicks reporting is that the team is finally open to trading McCollum, so I don’t really understand what your gripe is. Olshey can’t force teams to trade. I’m sure he’ll try though, if what Quick is saying is true. “Running it back” might just become a necessity. They also shouldn’t trade CJ just to trade him.

The problem is he realized this 4 seasons too late. Olshey is a dipshit. Let’s wait til now to act aggressive when his hands are tied because of the stupid decisions HE has made. It’s an institutional problem within the organization for letting both Olshey and Stotts carry on for as long as they did.

 

[tykendo]

As for if Portland were to get the #3, this Draft is being talked about as the best since the LeBron James, Melo, Wade, Bosh Draft of 2003. So help could be available immediately and could go a long way towards helping Dame for years to come and transitioning to the next Blazer era.

With our luck, we'd get the equivalent of Darko.

 

[calvin natt]

We're waiting for you to find out if it's true or not!

I’m trying Ukraine

 

[illmatic99]

If Minnesota would consider a big haul for Kat making it a 3 team trade with a guaranteed top 3 pick would look very attractive. This would set them up to build off a Edwards.

Portland
Out - CJ, Nurk, 22 1st, 24 1st
In - KAT, Love

Minn
Out - KAT
In - Nurk, 3rd pick, 22 1st, 24 1st

Clev
Out - Love, 3rd pick
In - CJ

KAT was my first thought when reading this idea of CJ for a pick.

 

[blazerkor]

If Minnesota would consider a big haul for Kat making it a 3 team trade with a guaranteed top 3 pick would look very attractive. This would set them up to build off a Edwards.

Portland
Out - CJ, Nurk, 22 1st, 24 1st
In - KAT, Love

Minn
Out - KAT
In - Nurk, 3rd pick, 22 1st, 24 1st

Clev
Out - Love, 3rd pick
In - CJ

Love the idea but the trade doesn't work. We take on too much money. If we talked to DJ and he opted in then we could throw him to either of the two teams but I'd rather send our 2026 pick to Minny and make them take back KLove... if not I'd want to remove the 2024 first and send DJ to Minny. I think DJ is a positive asset especially under a coach who is talking about off ball player movement, ball movement and defense.

So ideally it would be

Portland
Out - CJ, Nurk, 22 1st, 24 1st and 26 1st
In - KAT

Minnesota
Out - KAT
In - Nurk, Love, 3rd pick, 22 1st, 24 1st and 26 1st

Cleveland
Out - Love, 3rd pick
In - CJ

 

[James lamphear]

Why would Minnesota trade kat to anybody when he not asking to get out. A lot of these trade don't make sense. I not saying it will never happen but I give it 5 percent chance that we get kat and skiam I probably spell it wrong. These teams not going give up there best players for CJ that's not going to happen. Now us getting Love now that a big possibility due they need get rid of Love one way another due all crap he did last year. Now if someone going give us top 4 pick and fillers and if them fillers can help us then that's probably as going get for CJ. Olshey need think really hard if that rumor is true. I know we look for now or we loose Dame but you also have to look for future that you might draft your next star with a top 4 pick.

 

[South East]

Love the idea but the trade doesn't work. We take on too much money. If we talked to DJ and he opted in then we could throw him to either of the two teams but I'd rather send our 2026 pick to Minny and make them take back KLove... if not I'd want to remove the 2024 first and send DJ to Minny. I think DJ is a positive asset especially under a coach who is talking about off ball player movement, ball movement and defense.

So ideally it would be

Portland
Out - CJ, Nurk, 22 1st, 24 1st and 26 1st
In - KAT

Minnesota
Out - KAT
In - Nurk, Love, 3rd pick, 22 1st, 24 1st and 26 1st

Cleveland
Out - Love, 3rd pick
In - CJ

You are right, forgot to add DJJ

 

[illmatic99]

prolly nothing but some guy on the comments in blazers edge hinting at a 3 way w/ philly, and us ending up with siakam and george hill for CJ + DJ + picks.

I'd like to remind everyone that dame started following Siakam on twitter a few weeks ago, even though Pascal has been inactive for a while now.

 

[Strenuus]

prolly nothing but some guy on the comments in blazers edge hinting at a 3 way w/ philly, and us ending up with siakam and george hill for CJ + DJ + picks.

I'd like to remind everyone that dame started following Siakam on twitter a few weeks ago, even though Pascal has been inactive for a while now.

Him following him on Twitter doesn't really mean anything considering that if it were smoke to that trade fire, Dame wouldn't have made the comments of urgency since he would have already known.