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[blazerkor]

Revisionist history right there. NBA {David Stern}rejected the original trade that paired chris paul with kobe bryant in fakerland. neil's clippers trade wasn't originally the trade that the acting GM Demps took for paul. david sterns rejected the trade and accepted the clips' trade.
As per multiple reports at that time, here's a look at the players involved (excluding future draft picks) in the full deal between the Lakers, New Orleans Hornets and the Houston Rockets.
Los Angeles Lakers: PG Chris Paul (from Hornets)

New Orleans Hornets: F Lamar Odom (from Lakers), SG Kevin Martin (from Rockets), PF Luis Scola (from Rockets), PG Goran Dragic (from Rockets)

Houston Rockets: PF Pau Gasol (from Lakers)

finalized deal:

The Clippers will send guard Eric Gordon, center Chris Kaman, forward Al-Farouq Aminu and Minnesota's unprotected 2012 first-round pick to the Hornets for Paul. The Clippers will also receive two future second-round picks

We don't know exactly how it went down...


You're probably right but I still got hope.

 

[lawai'a]

We don't know exactly how it went down...


You're probably right but I still got hope.

there are quotes out there of david stern interviews about his over ruling Demps and accepting the clips' offer.
EDIT: the nba at the time was itself part owner of the new orleans franchise.
Former NBA commissioner David Stern explained on Thursday why he vetoed the original Chris Paul trade that involved the New Orleans Hornets, the Los Angeles Lakers and the Houston Rockets five years ago.

“I'm going to correct your language: What 'cancelation'? The GM [Dell Demps] was not authorized to make that trade,” Stern told Brian Berger on the Sports Business Radio Road Show. “And acting on behalf of owners, we decided not to make it. I was an owner rep. There was nothing to 'void.' It just never got made."

“When you're the commissioner and you have two teams that are ticked off at you, as in the Lakers and Houston, and the GMs without wanting to be attributed, spend their time trashing you, the wrong impression can be granted. It was one of the few times I decided to just go radio silent and let it play out, and I got killed. So, the answer is: there was never a trade. It was never approved by me as the owner rep.”
https://www.si.com/nba/2016/12/08/chris-paul-lakers-rockets-trade-david-stern-explains

 

[wizenheimer]

WHAT THE FUCK. Has anyone heard this before?

Ramona Shelburne says in 2011 when Olshey was with the Clippers, he had the Chris Paul trade at the 5 foot line for about a week. Reason was the Hornets at the time kept asking for one more asset (like a future 1st) and Olshey held out. Eventually got the deal done without that extra asset. I do not remember the details at the time, but could Olshey be holding out until someone panics for McCollum?

looks like revisionist history as lawai'a said

the NBA (David Stern) vetoed a Chris Paul trade to the Lakers. IIRC it was a three team deal and all teams had agreed. 5 days later CP3 was traded to the Clippers. The Hornets had to trade CP3 after their preferred trade was vetoed. The Clippers were the fall-back. I don't think it had as much to do with Olshey as it did to do with Hornet desperation and very limited options. They had been shopping Paul for weeks

 

[Labinot41]

cmon Olshey do your damn job

 

[B-Roy]

looks like revisionist history as lawai'a said

the NBA (David Stern) vetoed a Chris Paul trade to the Lakers. IIRC it was a three team deal and all teams had agreed. 5 days later CP3 was traded to the Clippers. The Hornets had to trade CP3 after their preferred trade was vetoed. The Clippers were the fall-back. I don't think it had as much to do with Olshey as it did to do with Hornet desperation and very limited options. They had been shopping Paul for weeks

I know what happened. I didn't know about the part about him holding out.

 

[James lamphear]

I disagree with the woman on here you don't have all summer you got 2 months before training camp.

 

[wizenheimer]

I know what happened. I didn't know about the part about him holding out.

he didn't 'hold out' but you can't really trade a guy, have the trade vetoed, and then just reintegrate him into the flow of things. He was already unhappy in New Orleans

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

WHAT THE FUCK. Has anyone heard this before?

Ramona Shelburne says in 2011 when Olshey was with the Clippers, he had the Chris Paul trade at the 5 foot line for about a week. Reason was the Hornets at the time kept asking for one more asset (like a future 1st) and Olshey held out. Eventually got the deal done without that extra asset. I do not remember the details at the time, but could Olshey be holding out until someone panics for McCollum?

I think this is one of his problems; he always wants to make a lopsided trade like the one for Paul, and so misses on some deals he should have made. This time everyone knows he is desperate so he will probably have to overpay.

 

[Hoopguru]

The only way to get a possible needle mover player at 3-5 is to package CJ/Nurk/ a youngster/ and picks

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think this is one of his problems; he always wants to make a lopsided trade like the one for Paul, and so misses on some deals he should have made. This time everyone knows he is desperate so he will probably have to overpay.

I don't know if it was as much of trying to make a lopsided trade as it was swinging for the fences. I think in his mind adding a 3rd player (i.e Paul George) to compliment Dame and CJ was the best way to win it all. Swapping one for the other might have made us a little better but would we have won it all? Doubtful so why do it and then lose that player a year later in FA? He may have been wrong but I think you can make a case for either strategy.

 

[James lamphear]

Beal might be asking for a trade.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Beal might be asking for a trade.

You think Beal would be good for this team? I wouldn’t want to see another three guard lineup.

 

[Natebishop3]

You think Beal would be good for this team? I wouldn’t want to see another three guard lineup.

I think Beal would just be a better CJ.

 

[Mr. Robot]

I think Beal would just be a better CJ.

beal is much better than cj

that being said, hes a poor fit, as we need forward upgrade

but hey, if you cant get forward, ill take beal and im sure dame would be happy with it

but i dont know why would wizards take cj

 

[e_blazer]

He’s tanned, he’s rested, he’s anti-Semitic.

 

[Natebishop3]

beal is much better than cj

Yes, at offense, but the problem with Dame/CJ was their shitty defense. Beal would still be an undersized shooting guard who doesn't play good defense.

 

[SlyPokerCat]

I don't know if it was as much of trying to make a lopsided trade as it was swinging for the fences. I think in his mind adding a 3rd player (i.e Paul George) to compliment Dame and CJ was the best way to win it all. Swapping one for the other might have made us a little better but would we have won it all? Doubtful so why do it and then lose that player a year later in FA? He may have been wrong but I think you can make a case for either strategy.

He had multiple opportunities to trade for Jimmy Butler who would have been perfect for our team. Probably one of the guys in the league that cares as much as dame. Holdup still probably would have been CJ like you said though. I'd have to think the year we had three firsts we could have figured out something

 

[julius]

He had multiple opportunities to trade for Jimmy Butler who would have been perfect for our team. Probably one of the guys in the league that cares as much as dame. Holdup still probably would have been CJ like you said though. I'd have to think the year we had three firsts we could have figured out something

So how'd trading for Butler go for the Twolves and 76ers?

 

[SlyPokerCat]

So how'd trading for Butler go for the Twolves and 76ers?

Didn't work out there. I know one of the reasons it didn't in Minny is because he felt the other players were soft and didn't care. That problem likely would not have been there with Dame.

It would have been a worthwhile risk especially at his cost around that time. Butler is so much better than any sidekick dame has had since aldridge.

Hindsight tells you those three picks amounted to nothing for us too. If we could have got him for those picks and someone other than cj......

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

 

[wizenheimer]

He had multiple opportunities to trade for Jimmy Butler who would have been perfect for our team. Probably one of the guys in the league that cares as much as dame. Holdup still probably would have been CJ like you said though. I'd have to think the year we had three firsts we could have figured out something

Olshey mad an offer for PG13 that year, but it was a stupid offer

reports (substantial) were that Olshey offered all three 1st round picks plus any combo of Blazers EXCEPT for Dame, Nurkic, and CJ. That was not a serious offer. And if Olshey was unwilling to make CJ 'touchable in the PG13 trade, it's likely he was the same when Butler and Kawhi were available. And maybe Harden as well

https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/...l-george-trail-blazers-offer-2017-draft-picks

and LOL at Quick saying it was a "better offer" than OKC. I'd guess, considering his terrible player evaluations he'd think an offer of Meyers + Harkless + three non-lottery picks in the same draft was a great offer. Dumb

 

[Hoopguru]

Olshey mad an offer for PG13 that year, but it was a stupid offer

reports (substantial) were that Olshey offered all three 1st round picks plus any combo of Blazers EXCEPT for Dame, Nurkic, and CJ. That was not a serious offer. And if Olshey was unwilling to make CJ 'touchable in the PG13 trade, it's likely he was the same when Butler and Kawhi were available. And maybe Harden as well

https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/...l-george-trail-blazers-offer-2017-draft-picks

and LOL at Quick saying it was a "better offer" than OKC. I'd guess, considering his terrible player evaluations he'd think an offer of Meyers + Harkless + three non-lottery picks in the same draft was a great offer. Dumb

Pritchard wouldn’t have traded PG to Portland even if CJ was included. Pritchslap

 

[wizenheimer]

Pritchard wouldn’t have traded PG to Portland even if CJ was included. Pritchslap

LOL...I do not believe that for a second

sounds like something Olshey would say to justify inaction and a weak offer

 

[tester551]

Beal might be asking for a trade.

If so, that is a great Ben Simmons trade.

Portland will be sitting on the sideline yet again.

 

[Hoopguru]

LOL...I do not believe that for a second

sounds like something Olshey would say to justify inaction and a weak offer

Yeah right! So you think Pritchard would deal w/Portland at that time? I don't unless Dame was involved. Thats just my opinion.

 

[tester551]

Yeah right! So you think Pritchard would deal w/Portland at that time? I don't unless Dame was involved. Thats just my opinion.

If it were clearly the best deal on the table? Most definitely.

The issue is determining what the 'best deal' actually is. If the deals are roughly equivalant, Pritchard likely picks the other one for spite.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Pritchard wouldn’t have traded PG to Portland even if CJ was included. Pritchslap

Agreed. It would have had to of been really lopsided in Indiana's favor. If Pritchard thought he could have stuck it to the Blazers then yes, but help the Blazers in any way.........I don't see it.

 

[BonesJones]

Olshey mad an offer for PG13 that year, but it was a stupid offer

reports (substantial) were that Olshey offered all three 1st round picks plus any combo of Blazers EXCEPT for Dame, Nurkic, and CJ. That was not a serious offer. And if Olshey was unwilling to make CJ 'touchable in the PG13 trade, it's likely he was the same when Butler and Kawhi were available. And maybe Harden as well

https://www.blazersedge.com/2017/7/...l-george-trail-blazers-offer-2017-draft-picks

and LOL at Quick saying it was a "better offer" than OKC. I'd guess, considering his terrible player evaluations he'd think an offer of Meyers + Harkless + three non-lottery picks in the same draft was a great offer. Dumb

There was no way to make trading for Harden work without trading C.J.

 

[Natebishop3]

I wanted to trade LMA for Harden back when he was still on the Thunder

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

This kind of supports that assertion:
“I’m not sure how Olshey is going to get that done,” a former Western Conference executive said. “Everyone in the NBA knows [the Blazers] are up against it. No one is going to help Olshey solve the Lillard crisis.”

“Any team dealing with the Blazers are going to put the screws to them,” the former executive said. “Unless they blow the whole thing up, they’re going to have a hard time.”