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<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Even if the deal does go down, that's only one good team in the East amongst 14 other mediocre squads. Nobody else from the East can beat the Spurs, Mavs, Suns, Jazz, Rockets, etc. when the title series rolls around.</div>
I agree, the top contenders are still in the West. But we won't see an Eastern team taking a ridiculously easy path to the NBA finals, like this season's Cavaliers. And I think there'll be a playoff race worth paying attention to this time, as well.

What's surprising is the number of terrible Eastern Conference GM's that have suddenly started making sense this summer. Danny Ainge has always made terrible trades, but he's on the verge of making two great blockbuster deals. Billy Knight's draft picks never make sense, but he came out with the best player available at #3 and filled a need with his other lottery pick. Charlotte finally dished out money to fill out their starting lineup with a veteran leader. Can you imagine if Kobe gets traded to the East eventually?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I agree, the top contenders are still in the West. But we won't see an Eastern team taking a ridiculously easy path to the NBA finals, like this season's Cavaliers. And I think there'll be a playoff race worth paying attention to this time, as well.

What's surprising is the number of terrible Eastern Conference GM's that have suddenly started making sense this summer. Danny Ainge has always made terrible trades, but he's on the verge of making two great blockbuster deals. Billy Knight's draft picks never make sense, but he came out with the best player available at #3 and filled a need with his other lottery pick. Charlotte finally dished out money to fill out their starting lineup with a veteran leader. Can you imagine if Kobe gets traded to the East eventually?</div>

I actually think Billy Knight usually makes sense with his draft picks. He's the one who is responsible for drafting Pau Gasol #3 when nobody knew who he was. He's also the one who is responsible for drafting Shane Battier #6 when everyone was hung up on the fact that he was 22 years old. I remember everyone around town was pushing for Rodney White or Kendrick Brown at the time. The Marvin Williams and Shelden Williams picks didn't make sense, but they're really the only blemishes on his resume.

I actually think they should have taken Wright or Conley anyway. Horford doesn't have the same long-term potential Wright does, whereas adding Conley to the roster would have balanced out their roster and made them a legitimate playoff contender out East. Conley/Johnson/Smith/M.Williams/Wright is a better lineup than
Law IV/Johnson/Smith/Horford/Wright, imo at least. It's more balanced.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I seriously feel like choking the **** out of someone right now....</div>

Why? Two minutes ago you were going on a rant in the Lakers forum about Andrew Bynum... did that piss you off that bad?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">I actually think Billy Knight usually makes sense with his draft picks. He's the one who is responsible for drafting Pau Gasol #3 when nobody knew who he was. He's also the one who is responsible for drafting Shane Battier #6 when everyone was hung up on the fact that he was 22 years old. I remember everyone around town was pushing for Rodney White or Kendrick Brown at the time. The Marvin Williams and Shelden Williams picks didn't make sense, but they're really the only blemishes on his resume.

I actually think they should have taken Wright or Conley anyway. Horford doesn't have the same long-term potential Wright does, whereas adding Conley to the roster would have balanced out their roster and made them a legitimate playoff contender out East. Conley/Johnson/Smith/M.Williams/Wright is a better lineup than Law IV/Johnson/Smith/Horford/Wright.</div>
He was a solid GM in Vancouver, which makes his failure in Atlanta all the more surprising. I didn't like the Josh Childress, Marvin Williams, or Shelden Williams picks and, while Boris Diaw was a good selection, he didn't fit in with that team at all. This year, it just seemed that he came in with a solid plan and executed it very well.

btw, why is everyone so high on Mike Conley, Jr.? I'm not saying he's not going to be good (and admittedly I haven't seen him as much as I would've liked to), but teams were looking at him as destined to be an All-Star PG at some point in his career. I thought he benefited from a weak PG class, though, and he reminds me of TJ Ford a lot.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting Voodoo Child:</div><div class="quote_post">Why? Two minutes ago you were going on a rant in the Lakers forum about Andrew Bynum... did that piss you off that bad?</div>
Delusional Lakers fans are so funny. The news of a Celtics-Timberwolves trade has them so distraught and it's like they honestly thought they had a chance at KG for the past couple years. I also found it funny how they suddenly expected Kupchack to pull off a busy and productive offseason, when he's been incapable of doing that for the past 3 years.
 
Actually, Knight pulled those moves in Memphis. Moot point though, just saying.

I'm not so high on Conley, Jr. as an individual as much as I am high on the fit he would have been for the Hawks. I actually don't think he's a good fit in Memphis. They already have Kyle Lowry and Damon Stoudamire - why do they need another point guard in the mix, especially one with the same game as Lowry?

Conley, Jr. is still refreshing though in the sense that he's a throwback. He's a floor general and a distributer first, a scoring option second. He's quick as hell with the ball too, ala Ford (that comparison's not too far off, except I don't think Conley, Jr. will ever be throwing up 12+ attempts per game).
 
I never saw the Lakers getting KG from the get go. I mean they always came up with these trades that didn't benefit the TWolves. At least Boston gives up Al Jefferson.
 
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I'm just happy KG is not going to Phonix or Golden State. I didn't want to see Ellis leave.
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<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
Why? Two minutes ago you were going on a rant in the Lakers forum about Andrew Bynum... did that piss you off that bad?</div>

It's because Kevin Garnett is going to Boston, not because of Andrew Bynum
 
The thing that annoys me about some Laker fans is that they think they can land pretty much any player that's available with what else....a Odom + Bynum + Kwame deal. Yeah, because everyone wants a guy who can't even catch the damn ball and is pretty weak mentally, a 19 year old who's greatest highlight thus far has been trying to **** around with Shaq and living to tell about it, and an inconsistent forward.

The Lakers are stuck with that roster; if Mitch were really thinking from a franchise point of view, he would trade Kobe and get the you/up-coming players needed to make the Lakers competitive again. But no, Mitch, taking the approach of another horrible GM (Mchale), is going to wait it out, make Kobe suffer numerous losing seasons (before 2009 of course) and watch as he opts out. I won't say Kobe didn't put himself in the position, he should have known when he signed that contract that there's no way he'd be competing for a title with the likes of Atkins, Butler, Odom and Grant. To be frank, I'm sad that the best player in the league is going to either miss the playoffs next year, or get eliminated in the 1st round once again (hopefully not at the hands of Phoenix).
 
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
The Lakers are stuck with that roster; if Mitch were really thinking from a franchise point of view, he would trade Kobe and get the you/up-coming players needed to make the Lakers competitive again. But no, Mitch, taking the approach of another horrible GM (Mchale), is going to wait it out, make Kobe suffer numerous losing seasons (before 2009 of course) and watch as he opts out. I won't say Kobe didn't put himself in the position, he should have known when he signed that contract that there's no way he'd be competing for a title with the likes of Atkins, Butler, Odom and Grant. To be frank, I'm sad that the best player in the league is going to either miss the playoffs next year, or get eliminated in the 1st round once again (hopefully not at the hands of Phoenix).</div>

That's exactly what I'm hoping for. This offseason was supposed to detirmine the future of this franchise. We were primed for a big splash, the front office promised us changes. All they did is add another no defense point guard in Derek Fisher. If we're not going to make a big move, like you said, I don't understand why they just won't blow this thing up. Trade Kobe away for young talent, and build for the future, or trade for an impact player, and build to win a championship. It's not that hard. We have a solid group of young guys, and it seems like the front office is more excited about Andrew Bynum's "potential" rather than the actual product of Kobe Bryant, who is 100xs the player Bynum will ever become
 
yeah trading Kobe makes the most sense for the lakers right now.........they should make it happen.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Which one do you have? Some won't play music.</div>

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I have that one, Motorola HS810.
 
<div class="quote_poster">MrJ Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">I think you need a special type of bluetooth made specifically for music.

I tried doing the same thing with my brother's, but it wouldn't work.

I really hope KG doesn't go to Boston.</div>

<div class="quote_poster">Sasha Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Which one do you have? Some won't play music.</div>

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I have that one, Motorola HS810.
 
Kobe's one of the most marketable players in the league. I think it boils down to ownership...and in this case, the owners care more about "Kobe The Scoring Phenom" selling out seats and getting TV contracts (although barely making the playoffs every year) than trying to put a better ball team on the court.

What they fail to realize is that if you start winning games, the fans will obviously come. I wish every GM in the league was like Colangelo; GM's should take calculated risks once in a while instead of holding on to something they see "potential" in. What the hell is potential in the NBA? Unless you're a can't miss prospect, potential comes and goes. There's plenty of guys who have "potential" every year. ****, even guys like Darius Miles were labeled to have "potential". The funny thing is, I bet you anything if Miles had been hypothetically drafted at #10 by the Lakers in 2005 and he was Bynum's age, he would have been labeled the next big thing as well in L.A because they saw so much "potential" oozing out of him. Bynum's potential is apperently so gigantic that it was not worth getting a future hall-of-famer in Jason Kidd for him. Kidd is STILL at the top of his game and would have helped the Lakers 5987409874509834759347593487 times than Bynum EVER will.

Honestly, good luck with the Bynum project. I'm still going to be pissed about keeping Bynum, even if he moves up his stats every year. I don't see him being anything more than a bench player or someone like Jamaal Magloire (at best). He doesn't have that "superstar" factor to him, atleast in my opinion.

Oh and the Lakers are NOT making the playoffs next year. Maybe an 8th seed (and even that seems farfetched with the increase in strength of the other Western teams), but what the hell is that gonna do? That team is just weak and getting weaker every year.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Yeah, well I went and saw the dermatologist, and he perscribed it for me.

I have had a acne since I was like 14 years old (so about 6 years now), it was worse back then, but I only had it on my face, now over the last year or so, I've started getting it on my back and chest now too. It's not bad on my face, these days I only get like 1-2 pimples flare up then and again, but it's still there, it just wont leave, so I'm guessing that is why he perscribed it for me.
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Haha, I started getting it around 14 too. My face is pretty clear nowadays, but I remember my first day in highschool (I started getting them over the summer of when I was 14), it was a mess because I had no clue how to take care of my skin. ****, I used to be so ignorant towards the whole cleanliness thing that I would run around playing basketball for a couple of hours and not even really wash my face afterwards. Man, if there's anything more frustrating than having to have dealt with consistent acne, I'd like to know what it is.

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">I've tried everything else under the sun to cure acne, clearasil, proactiv, disinfectant, every single line of face wash you can imagine, benzal peroxide, eating nothing but healthy food etc. etc. none of it has worked, so this has sort of fallen as a last resort I guess, which my doctor told me, if the last batch of antibiotics he perscribed wernt doing the job, then to book me into to see the dermatologist to get me put on roaccutane. </div>

I know it's too late now, but you should try an antibiotic mixed with benzoyl peroxide. It works because topical antibiotics clear up almost everyone but eventually you get immune to them. However, when the antibiotic is mixed with the BP, this doesn't happen.

Either way, best of luck to you once again.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Karma Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">Kobe's one of the most marketable players in the league. I think it boils down to ownership...and in this case, the owners care more about "Kobe The Scoring Phenom" selling out seats and getting TV contracts (although barely making the playoffs every year) than trying to put a better ball team on the court.

What they fail to realize is that if you start winning games, the fans will obviously come. I wish every GM in the league was like Colangelo; GM's should take calculated risks once in a while instead of holding on to something they see "potential" in. What the hell is potential in the NBA? Unless you're a can't miss prospect, potential comes and goes. There's plenty of guys who have "potential" every year. ****, even guys like Darius Miles were labeled to have "potential". The funny thing is, I bet you anything if Miles had been hypothetically drafted at #10 by the Lakers in 2005 and he was Bynum's age, he would have been labeled the next big thing as well in L.A because they saw so much "potential" oozing out of him. Bynum's potential is apperently so gigantic that it was not worth getting a future hall-of-famer in Jason Kidd for him. Kidd is STILL at the top of his game and would have helped the Lakers 5987409874509834759347593487 times than Bynum EVER will.

Honestly, good luck with the Bynum project. I'm still going to be pissed about keeping Bynum, even if he moves up his stats every year. I don't see him being anything more than a bench player or someone like Jamaal Magloire (at best). He doesn't have that "superstar" factor to him, atleast in my opinion.

Oh and the Lakers are NOT making the playoffs next year. Maybe an 8th seed (and even that seems farfetched with the increase in strength of the other Western teams), but what the hell is that gonna do? That team is just weak and getting weaker every year.</div>

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Remind me of this post if I ever lump you in with the rest of the Laker fans on this board.
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Anyway, Brian, I replied to your post in the Lakers forum.

I hate going into the Lakers forum, because you can't say things that the rest of the league holds as obvious truths without getting into an argument about them.

By that I mean, you make your normal length post, except somewhere within it you make the statement that Bynum is a role player. In most team forums, that'd be accepted as the truth, agreed upon, and nobody would want to get into a big debate about it. In the Lakers forum though, be prepared to take that one side comment and waste more than an hour of your day arguing about it, even though it's something that all non-Laker fans see as blatantly obvious.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
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Remind me of this post if I ever lump you in with the rest of the Laker fans on this board.
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Anyway, Brian, I replied to your post in the Lakers forum.

I hate going into the Lakers forum, because you can't say things that the rest of the league holds as obvious truths without getting into an argument about them.

By that I mean, you make your normal length post, except somewhere within it you make the statement that Bynum is a role player. In most team forums, that'd be accepted as the truth, agreed upon, and nobody would want to get into a big debate about it. In the Lakers forum though, be prepared to take that one side comment and waste more than an hour of your day arguing about it, even though it's something that all non-Laker fans see as blatantly obvious.</div>
Voodoo, sorry if I took offense and started a big arguement out of nothing
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I just didn't like how you compared Andrew Bynum to Amir Johnson, who basically sat on the bench the entire season. As for Gerald Green, I never knew he went on such a scoring binge at the end of the season. I just looked up Green's stats and he averaged about 10 points, 2 rebounds, and 1 assist last season. Then I looked up Bynum's stats last season, and he averaged about 8 points, 7 boards, and 1 assist last season, to go along with 1.5 blocks per game. So naturally, based just on stats, Bynum had a better season, since the only category Green beat him in was scoring, and it was only a 2 point difference.

Anyways, I'm planning on seeing the Simpsons movie tonight or tomorrow night, so that should be pretty cool
 
'sall good.

Amir Johnson got like a 3 year $11 million dollar deal from not playing though, so someone sees something in him. (I don't get it personally.)

Simpsons movie is great, but it's probably not as good as it could have been. The TV show is great.

It's hot as hell down here. I went outside for about 15 minutes (actually like an hour now that I see the time... time flies...) to just play some horse with my bro and I had to come in because I couldn't take the heat.
 
<div class="quote_poster">THE DREAM Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">*dream runs to laker forum to call Bynum a role player*</div>

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Wait for people like kobe4life or The Legend to attack you.
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Just kidding Legend.
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<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
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Wait for people like kobe4life or The Legend to attack you.
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Just kidding Legend.
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lmao I'm waiting for Rock4life to tell us how he knew Garnett would go to Boston
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<div class="quote_poster">Master Shake Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">lmao I'm waiting for Rock4life to tell us how he knew Garnett would go to Boston
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That Rockets dude?
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I need to get a new bike. I'm thinking of Scott, Ridley or BMC with SRAM components. Nothing too fancy, just something that has good quality.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Legacy Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">That Rockets dude?
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You won't be seeing him for a while.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Kidd Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">You won't be seeing him for a while.</div>

What happend?
 
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
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Remind me of this post if I ever lump you in with the rest of the Laker fans on this board.
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Anyway, Brian, I replied to your post in the Lakers forum.

I hate going into the Lakers forum, because you can't say things that the rest of the league holds as obvious truths without getting into an argument about them.

By that I mean, you make your normal length post, except somewhere within it you make the statement that Bynum is a role player. In most team forums, that'd be accepted as the truth, agreed upon, and nobody would want to get into a big debate about it. In the Lakers forum though, be prepared to take that one side comment and waste more than an hour of your day arguing about it, even though it's something that all non-Laker fans see as blatantly obvious.</div>

VC please don't be shy around the Laker Forums, most of your ideas make sense or are understandable. Don't dwell on what a couple of naive/dedicated fans might think.

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
The PETA thing is disappointing, but slightly forgiveable. Most people are ignorant of their b.s. (including me, until about a week ago). Also, there are certain PETA initiatives that I do support, even though I find the organization, as a whole, ridiculous.

The Duke lacrosse thing annoys the hell out of me, though. Those kids got crucified from the start for no good reason. Common just jumped on the Jesse Jackson/Al Sharpton bandwagon.</div>

Yeah you're right about the PETA thing, but the Duke comments annoy me to death.

<div class="quote_poster">Chutney Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simpsons_movie#Production

Man, that would've been amazing.</div>

Wow that would have been cool.
 
<div class="quote_poster">Voodoo Child Wrote</div><div class="quote_post">
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Trust me, if there's one thing I find annoying about these forums, it's those Laker fans who think they can get land a major superstar with thier current roster (while NOT trading for Kobe), or the fans that completely ignore what everyone else says and see something in thier own team that no other fan of the NBA sees. I love how that one guy called this season's Lakers team "scary".

Yes, with the addition of Derek Fisher, the Lakers will be champions. In fact, maybe he's the last peice needed to make a Garnett trade. Who wouldn't want a Fisher + Bynum + Kwame deal?

I think the only thing that's scary in all this is that one of the greatest players of today's generation is having his prime wasted.
 
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A reader points us in the direction of the touchy Fox Sports.com sensors: in a recent summer basketball recap, the website opted to BLEEP out the last name of former Connecticut star Rudy Gay, who currently plays for the Memphis Grizzlies (and he?s about to blow up next season!). Click <font color="#669999">here for the screengrab.</font>
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What the hell is wrong with Fox?
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