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We need what we have needed FOR WEEKS as I have said over and over again...we must add another legit top 6 forward or we have no shot to do anything. It is not complicating.

From there I will leave it to you guys to bash the D as we score 0 goals against a team that had been lit up recently, and was 29th in the NHL in GAPG. And now 6 of the last 7 games we have scored 2 or fewer goals in regulation. But please bash the D...who allowed 2 goals today.
 
And I know chuck, "we're in 2nd place." But is the goal to be in 2nd place or to win a Cup? This team SHOULD be a Cup contender, instead with how they're playing as of late, they're looking like an easy target in the first round. They MUST make moves. Cannot stand pat. Need to trade Stepan, need to trade Yandle if you're unable to get Girardi or Staal to take a trade. Just NEED to move some "core" guys to make this team realize that NO ONE is immune to getting moved. Too many guys on this team are too comfortable.
 
I don't. You have a PP...trust it to score. I don't like the decision.

Anyway...get it going guys. I'll start for you. The O doesn't score again and the D let's up 2 goals...DAMN IT OUR D IS AWFUL.

And go...LOL.
 
We are not a player for the cup unless we add another legit top 6 scorer. Agree 100% 94 and have said that for weeks.
 
chuckd3534 said:
We need what we have needed FOR WEEKS as I have said over and over again...we must add another legit top 6 forward or we have no shot to do anything. It is not complicating.

From there I will leave it to you guys to bash the D as we score 0 goals against a team that had been lit up recently, and was 29th in the NHL in GAPG. And now 6 of the last 7 games we have scored 2 or fewer goals in regulation. But please bash the D...who allowed 2 goals today.
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We also still haven't shut out ANYONE since November. This is more than just a bad offense. It's a bad TEAM effort. The offense is very bad, yes. But we are 16th last time I looked at GAA, which also means our defense is pretty shabby too chuck. The ENTIRE team effort, in the ozone, neutral zone, and dzone has been beyond underwhelming this season.
 
The D still gives up way too many open looks, and i don't see that magically changing. Only 2 goals yeah but tons of shots.
 
Okay...I am not sure you need to shutout teams to win...but I do know that when you score 2 goals or less game after game it is darn hard to win consistently.

Look, and I will be a broken record here again, the D is far from perfect. They have a couple of lapses a game that are unacceptable. BUT we have ZERO margin for error with this O, and with that said there is zero doubt in my mind that the downfall of this team will lie 100% on the shoulders of the O...as it ALWAYS does with the Rangers and has for 4 years now.

That's all I can say.
 
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This roster needs a lot more than one player ! If AV is going to the battle with "his guys" this team doesn't make the playoffs. No way Mcd belongs on the PP ahead of Yandle...no way. Mcd is so ridiculously overrated offensively..and it's showing glaringly. That said, management made a concious decision to go with this roster coming into this year because they banked on the D to be big parts of the overall offensive attack of this team. I dont agree with the decision to go with this crap group of forwards but that's what mgt did. They expected Mcd and Yandle to be a huge part of the offense. Mcd has showed what he is... a good, not great dman who is challenged offensively and makes way too many bad reads !
 
At some point you have to admit it is funny that we continue to have this same debate game after game as the O doesn't score and the other team scores 2 or less at even strength (we all know the PK has been terrible). Tells me something at least.

It seems interesting to me that we score ZERO goals against the 29th rated D in the NHL, only allow 2, and the D dominates the conversation. Again...very interesting to me.
 
And that's where we disagree 94, and frankly I disagree with about 98% of the posters on this board so I'm on an island pretty much.

I think we add a legit top 6 forward that can score goals and we'll be a very tough out. My opinion. Again the clear minority opinion on this board.

Anyway, you guys go on with the D bashing...:).

I'm going to watch football. Hope we can end the 1st half with a W against Buffalo tomorrow night.
 
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Okay...I am not sure you need to shutout teams to win...but I do know that when you score 2 goals or less game after game it is darn hard to win consistently.

Look, and I will be a broken record here again, the D is far from perfect. They have a couple of lapses a game that are unacceptable. BUT with that said there is zero doubt in my mind that the downfall of this team will lie 100% on the shoulders of the O...as it ALWAYS does with the Rangers and has for 4 years now.

That's all I can say.
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An occasional shutout would be nice. The only teams with longer non-shutout streaks than us are Columbus, Montreal and Vancouver. And for a team that has always been built on defense first, not having a shutout for that long says that something is amiss on this team, regardless of how bad the offense has been. Think of when was the last time you could remember Hank going over 2 months without a shutout. Bizarre.
 
Okay...and we still have zero margin for error on D due to the terrible O, and we still have 2 or fewer regulation goals in 6 of 7 games, and we still got shutout by the 29th rated D in the NHL today...and only allowed 2 goals.

Is what it is.
 
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Okay...and we still have zero margin for error on D due to the terrible O, and we still have 2 or fewer regulation goals in 6 of 7 games, and we still got shutout by the 29th rated D in the NHL today...and only allowed 2 goals.

Is what it is.
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The offense has SUCKED for years chuck. But we usually win games 2-1 and 3-1 and 1-0. We can't do that this season because, defensively, we aren't as sound. We are JUST AS BAD OFFENSIVELY as we have been for the past half decade but now we can't rely on the defense and Hank to bail us out. That is the difference between this team and teams of the past. Same putrid offense, but now with a putrid defense as well.
 
And that's why we grind to everything and why we have lost when we have lost in the playoffs. Score some f'ing goals.

I think the clear issue is the O. We don't score. You guys, and not just you 94, think the issue is the D, to the point where even when we lose 2-0 to an awful defensive team, most of the posts are about the D. So I disagree with you guys, not just you 94. All good.

6 of 7 games 2 or fewer in regulation. I think the bigger issue is by far the O. Most of you guys think it is the D. Good debate...what makes message boards fun.
 
Most of this falls on the mgmt of this organization. It's been run by incompetent morons for years. Now we have another moron GM. Never ends. Thats why this organization does not win any cups.
 
Said it all year. As far as this team being a cup contender. It sucks. Until Gorton grows balls and shows this coach it's his team, and dumps Glass for starters to send a message, nothing will change.
 
Only got to see the first half of the game and it was ugly. No worries, though. We're in second place :biglaugh:
 
Yeah! We are in second place! C R A P. That is this teams chances of winning a cup.
 
Correct, our window to win is not very big and we can't just sit here and say "hey, with a little tweak we're legit contenders". We need Gorton to get off his ass and send a shock through the team with a big trade.

I want players to be uncomfortable. To think "shit, Gorton just traded X and if i don't get my ass in gear i could be next". Right now the team is too complacent, maybe due to the success we've had the past couple of season, don't know, but it needs to change.
 
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The team is old, soft and lacking in high end skill. Not a great combo really.
 
Well, Yandle is going but that is not enough. For some reason, Hayes just doesn't seem to fit here the more games he plays. Honestly, he's slow as molasses and the playoffs were way too quick for him. I think the Rangers would be wise to to trade him.
 
If they packaged him with Yandle to get Shattenkirk, I'm good with it. They could then move Klein to get a forward.
 
Chuck you need to stop just looking at the scoreboard, seeing a 3-0 score, and saying "welp this falls directly and solely on the O because we didn't score." This isn't the nfl. Offense doesn't just play offense, and defense doesn't just play defense. Girardi and Klein were absolutely AWFUL at moving the puck today. Staal, Boyle and Yandle were not much better. AV's system relies very heavily on the d to get the puck to the forwards who are looking to break out. It isn't as simple as just blaming the offense.

You know I agree with you that we need a top 6 forward. I've been saying that since draft day. But just because we get shut out doesn't mean the blame falls solely on the offense. We need our defense to be quicker and crisper with the puck. They were not good today. Neither was the offense, I agree there, but the d plays a role in that and you can't knock posters who call that out.
 
Yandle literally just got here and with his contract situation no one is going to be surprised by a trade.

Get rid of Kreider, or Stepan, or Nash, (not all, just 1) players that have been here forever and it will send fear through the rest that it doesn't matter how long you've been here or how much you make, that if you don't perform your ass is out.
 
It never ends. We have another dickless GM sitting on his ass and doing nothing. Tanner Glass being still in this organization is a proof.
 
I could live with that, but if you have to give up PB or Skjei even forget it. I don't think STL would do it without giving one of those two.
 
I guess we should close the doors and call off the last 30 + games. We are in playoff position right now, whether you guys like it or not we are, so it isn't like the team is terrible or buried, as some of you all like to portray.

I agree 100% we need a trade to add some O...I have said that for weeks and weeks. No one is arguing that. We need a trade to add a legit scoring top 6 forward. I couldn't agree more. No one is saying a little tweak, I am saying add a legit top 6 scoring forward. That is not a tweak. That is real change. It must happen if we are to have any shot. No arguments from me...and there never were any.

The only difference between me and many of you guys, outside of Mess and Prod I'd say, is I am not going to jump and go crazy after every single loss. We ALL know they need to make a trade, NO ONE DISGAREES with that. Now it is 100% on Gorton to make something happen.
 
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Chuck you need to stop just looking at the scoreboard, seeing a 3-0 score, and saying "welp this falls directly and solely on the O because we didn't score." This isn't the nfl. Offense doesn't just play offense, and defense doesn't just play defense. Girardi and Klein were absolutely AWFUL at moving the puck today. Staal, Boyle and Yandle were not much better. AV's system relies very heavily on the d to get the puck to the forwards who are looking to break out. It isn't as simple as just blaming the offense.

You know I agree with you that we need a top 6 forward. I've been saying that since draft day. But just because we get shut out doesn't mean the blame falls solely on the offense. We need our defense to be quicker and crisper with the puck. They were not good today. Neither was the offense, I agree there, but the d plays a role in that and you can't knock posters who call that out.
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Amen Prod. I actually think I said today the D has had issues also...I couldn't agree more. I am not in anyway shape or form saying the D is awesome and it is all the O...no way. The D is in the spotlight as well.

So I agree with you. BUT to me this is way more on the O than the D. And I'm pretty sure our D combined is one of the highest scoring D's in the NHL, so our D also puts up points. We don't score in big games against good teams and truthfully haven't for years. It has been an issue year after year and why we have to grind every single playoff game, and then get worn down in the later rounds and have injuries and get shutdown. Many times over the past couple of seasons we have all said if this team could score goals Hank would have cups by now.

So I agree the D is far from perfect this year, I will not debate that with you at all Prod. I agree they all need to play better. But where I disagree with most on the board I guess is to me the O is the bigger issue.

Seems most of you guys place more of the blame on the D. Even when we score 0 or 1 or 2 goals you guys get on the D, so have at it.

The way things are going it won't matter anyway, because if we don't start playing consistent hockey soon, D and O, we can all start talking about July.
 
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And BTW I agree with your comment also 31. Deal Hayes or Stepan or Nash or Kreider. Put some fear into these guys and mix it up. I am on board with that 100%. We can certainly use a shakeup on a team that is stale and has been for a while. I won't argue with that.

My only points are to me, and I am in the minority and that is fine, the O is the much bigger issue than the D AND if we added a legit top 6 scoring forward I think we would see the team wake up.

BUT if we dealt one of the guys you/I mentioned 31 I would be on board with that as well, how could anyone not be at this point as all those guys suck it up.
 
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