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There are tons of ways to rank, so this is how important you think they are to the future of the Blazers.

With all these players coming back, and possible trades coming, I just wanted to get a snapshot of the value fans place on our players.

My ranking

Tier One
1)Roy (obvious)
2)Oden (I hope he can stay healthy, cause I think he is the key to champoinships)

Tier Two
3) Aldridge
4) Batum

Tier 3
5) Miller
6) Bayless
7) Rudy

Tier 4
8) Przybilla (he would be in the tier above if I believed he would fully recover)
9) Cunningham
10) Webster
11) Pendergraph
12) Outlaw

Tier 5)
13) Blake
14) Mills
15) Howard (he would be higher if not so old)

Prospect ranking
1) Freeland
2) Claver
3) Koponen
 
There are tons of ways to rank, so this is how important you think they are to the future of the Blazers.

With all these players coming back, and possible trades coming, I just wanted to get a snapshot of the value fans place on our players.

My ranking

Tier One
1)Roy (obvious)
2)Oden (I hope he can stay healthy, cause I think he is the key to champoinships)
3) Aldridge LA will be great when Greg's back.
4) Batum Nic's a stud.

Tier Two
5) Miller
6) Bayless
7) Rudy
8) Przybilla (He will recover)

Tier 3
9) Webster
10) Outlaw
11) Cunningham
12) Pendergraph

Tier 4
13) Blake
14) Mills
15) Howard (he would be higher if not so old)

Prospect ranking
1) Freeland
2) Claver
3) Koponen

Go Blazers
 
STOP WITH ODEN!!!! This guy should never be listed in TIER 1 till he plays 1 full season. THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN. Durant would be ahead of roy. So fucking sad. Anyway heres mine...

Tier 1 is Roy.

Tier 2 is LA, Miller, *Oden if he plays*

Tier 3 is Batum, Rudy, Pryz,

Tier 4 is Bayless, Webster, Blake, Howard, Outlaw (maybe a tier higher when he plays)

Tier 5 Pendergraph, Cuningham, Mills
 
My ranking

Tier One
1)Roy
2)Oden
3) Aldridge
4) Batum

Tier Two
5) Rudy.
6) Przybilla
7) Miller
8) Bayless


Tier 3
9) Webster
10) Cunningham
11) Pendergraph
12) Outlaw

Tier 4
13) Blake
14) Mills
15) Howard (he would be higher if not so old)

Prospect ranking
1) Freeland
2) Claver
3) Koponen
 
Tier One (Players who drive success)
Roy
Oden

Tier Two (Players who are extremely important to success)
Aldridge
Batum
Miller

Tier 3 (Vital complementary players)
Bayless
Fernandez

Tier 4 (Valuable reserves)
Outlaw
Przybilla (he would be in the tier above if I believed he would fully recover)

Tier 5 (Solid reserves)
Webster
Blake
Cunningham
Pendergraph

Tier 6 (They're here, too)
Howard
Mills

Granted, Howard has done some surprisingly good work, but I really can't see it lasting into the future.
 
If we can only use our current roster.......

Tier 1: The must have players to even think about competing for a title
1. Oden
2. Roy

Tier 2: The rest of the should be starters
3. Batum
4. Aldridge
5. Bayless

Tier 3: The role players that will help us
6. Rudy
7. Cunningham
8. Pendergragh
9. Przybilla
10. Miller

Tier 4: The scrubs that can leave with no affect at all to the team
11. Webster
12. Outlaw

Tier 5: The players so insignificant I shouldn't have wasted my time typing their names.
13. Howard
14. Koponen
15. Freeland
16. Claver
17. Mills
18. Blake

Tier 6: The Assclowns
19. McAssclown
 
Tier 1:
Roy

Tier 2:

Oden
Aldridge
Batum (maybe)

Tier 3:

Bayless
Miller
Blake
Webster
Rudy
Outlaw
Joel

Teir 4:

Cunningham
Pendergraph
 
Tier One (Players who drive success in the short and long term)
Roy
Oden
Batum

Tier Two (Players who are extremely important to long term success)
Aldridge
Bayless
Rudy

Tier 3 (Vital complementary players/short term valuable contributors)
Miller
Donte
Przybilla
Howard

Tier 4 (Valuable reserves)
Pendergraph
Webster

Tier 5 (Please leave the building)
Blake

Tier 6 (They're here, too)
Mills

Tier 7 (Not going to be here after this season)
Outlaw
 
I'm going to ignore the immediate short term, because guys like Juwan Howard are MUCH more valuable now due to all the injuries to key players than they will be longer term. Instead, I will rank the players in terms of "must keep", "nice to keep", "Potential Trade Bait" and "Don't Care". I will also list them from top to bottom in each category.

Must Keep:
Roy
Oden
Batum
Miller

Nice to Keep:
Bayless
Przybilla
Aldridge

Potential Trade Bait:
Cunningham
Fernandez
Outlaw
Blake
Webster
Pendergraph
Howard
Mills

Don't Care:
Kopenen
Freeland
Claver

Details:

Must Keep:

Keeping Roy is a no-brainer.

Ditto for Oden. In spite of all the injuries, I still think he is the key to our championship hopes - just like Bill Walton was back in 1977. You need to be able to rebound, defend the paint and punish the other team in the half court to win in the play-offs. Oden, when healthy, does all that better than anyone else on our roster.

I also think Batum is untouchable. He is so young, so good and will only get better. Oden guarding the paint and Batum defending the perimeter is a recipe for post season success. Oden just turned 22 and Batum just turned 21. These guys will anchor our defense, inside and out, for the next decade.

I also added Miller to the must keep list. Probably not a popular choice, but he is so much better than any other PG we have. He makes his teammates better. He's smart, durable and cheap. I think he's worth more to this team than he would fetch in a trade. So, I want to keep him at least the rest of this season and all of next.

He's also a great mentor for Bayless. As Miller has shown in the last two games, he is the master of creating easy scoring opportunities for himself and his teammates. He reads the defense and then expoits its weaknesses. Against Dallas, he saw he could drive the paint, get to the basket and get an easy lay-up before the help defense arrived. Against Charlotte, who plays much better defense, he drew the help defense and then found his open teammates for the easy scores. A lot of players who scored 52 points the previous game, would tend to look for their own shots the next time out. Not Miller. He didn't force anything. He's probably the only player in league history to score 52 points in one game and then only attempt 6 shots in the next (in spite of playing almost 33 minutes).

Bayless has shown greatly improved passing over the last few months, but he still tends to leave his feet and force his own shot when he drives and the help defense collapses on him. That's the one area I think he can learn from Miller - to recognize when the help defense is coming and find the resulting open teammate. Which is why I want to keep Miller around for another seasomn after this one.

Nice to Keep:

Bayless has shown me enough over the past two months that I'd only trade him in a deal that brought back an established, but not too old all-star caliber player. I hope Nate continues to play Bayless 25 - 30 MPG backing up both guard positions after Roy comes back. At this point in his career, he is perfect for that role. He's not ready to be our full time starting PG, but in a 6th man roll where he can back-up both positions he will get plenty of PT, which will help him develop. I do see him eventually becoming that "PG of the Future" we all seem to dream about. Once he learns to read defenses better, exploit them and create easy scoring opportunites for his teammates, I think he will be a very good fit next to Roy. At that point (hopefully 1 - 1.5 years from now), he can become the starter and Miller can either become the back-up, or the team can decline their 3rd year option on his contract.

If Joel is healthy, he's the best back-up center in the league. He's not the offensive threat Oden is, but when Joel comes in our rebounding and defense don't suffer. To me, that makes him very important and I would not trade him unless he's part of a package for an all-star caliber player, or we are getting a rebounding/defensive stud in return.

I'm not a LaMarcus hater. I think he's a good, but not great player. I do think his production/importance can be more easily replaced than the guys ahead of him. So, if a deal comes a long where we package him and another player or two for an upgrade at PF (like Chris Bosh), I wouldn't hesitate to do it.

Potential Trade Bait:

While I wouldn't want to trade ALL of these players, I would not hesitate to trade any of them if the right deal came along.

Cunningham - smart player, good value for a second round pick.

Fernandez - probably has the most trade value and will never play the minutes he wants backing-up Roy - especially with Bayless emerging. Good player, but expendable.

Outlaw - I think he's become redundant (especially if we keep both Batum and Cunningham).

Blake - solid back-up, but I want to see Miller continue to get starter's minutes and Bayless get the back-up PG minutes.

Webster - another solid back-up and plays defense. I could go either way on Martell. I wouldn't mind keeping him, but I wouldn't hesitate to trade him.

Pendergraph - like his toughness, but if Oden and Przybilla are healthy, he gets Shavlik minutes.

Howard - best damn 14th man in the league, great (cheap) veteran presence, but like Pendergraph is only playing due to injuries.

Mills - possible future (as in 2 - 3 years from now) instant offense off the bench, but I don't see him ever being much more than that.

Don't Care:

Kopenen
Freeland
Claver

The Eurostash just ain't what it used to be. By the time these guys develop into players that can contribute at the NBA level (if they do) they will be locked up by their European teams for WAY more money than the Blazers can offer thanks to the NBA rookie salary scale. The only way they WON'T get paid more to stay in Europe is if they suck. I now view all three as wasted draft picks. You might be able to package their rights a part of a larger trade, but I'd rather use future late 1st round picks on guys who may some day actually play for us. These days, if you draft a Euro, you better plan on signing him to an NBA contract right away (like Batum), otherwise, you probably never will. I predict (and I'd love to be wrong) that none of these three will ever play one minute of real NBA basketball (not summer league) in a Portland Trail Blazer uniform. Trade 'em if you can.

BNM
 
I didn't see this as a "potential" listing so I will list them as I see them:

Tier 1: Roy

Tier 3 and below: Everybody else until they prove otherwise.
 
Tier One (Players who drive success)
Roy

Tier Two (Players who are extremely important to success)
Aldridge (mainly for offense)
Batum (mainly for defense)
Oden (When he's not injured)

Tier 3 (Vital complementary players)
Outlaw (statistically)
Przybilla (for defense)
Miller (crafty vet)

Tier 4 (Valuable reserves)
Blake (one of the league's best wingman and a good shooter)
Fernandez (when he's not shooting only 3s)

Tier 5 (Solid reserves)
Webster
Bayless (expect to move up)
Cunningham
Pendergraph
Howard

Tier 6 (They're here, too)
Mills
 
I didn't see this as a "potential" listing so I will list them as I see them:

Tier 1: Roy

Tier 3 and below: Everybody else until they prove otherwise.

I think you are selling Batum short, but I tend to agree with your analysis of the rest of the roster.
 
I think you are selling Batum short, but I tend to agree with your analysis of the rest of the roster.

If half the players on Portland were truly as good as folks on this message board imagine them to be we would win 60 games and go deep in the playoffs each year. But they aren't.
 
If half the players on Portland were truly as good as folks on this message board imagine them to be we would win 60 games and go deep in the playoffs each year. But they aren't.

Actually, if all of our players were healthy this season (and Nate would have started Andre Miller at PG from the first day of training camp), winning 60 games and advancing to the Western Conference Finals would not be that far fetched.

Fans may overvalue our players, but we do have some very significant talent.

I'd love to see what this roster can do when healthy, and preferably with a better coach.

BNM
 
There are tons of ways to rank, so this is how important you think they are to the future of the Blazers.

1. Oden
2. Roy
3. Batum
4. Aldridge
5. Miller
6. Przybilla
7. Bayless
8. Fernandez
9. Outlaw
10. Webster
11. Blake
12. Cunningham
13. Howard
14. Pendergraph
15. Mills
 
For the future:

1. Roy and Oden
2. Batum and LMA
3. Bayless
4. Rudy, Outlaw, Joel
5. Miller, Blake, Webster, Pendy, Dante
6. Anyone else.
 
Tier one/cannot trade (due to potential ceiling)
Roy
Batum

Tier two/can trade but would have to be an incredibly lop sided deal for Blazers
Oden
LMA
Miller
Joel (vital insurance for Greg)

Tier three/can trade only to consolidate roster would require equal value in return
Rudy
Cunningham (need a guy that knows his role, works hard and has high basketball IQ)
Outlaw
Bayless

Tier four/should trade for consolidation sake
Webster
Blake

Tier five/the rest (trade filler)
Howard (retain in organization after retirement)
Mills
Pendergraph (who i love)
Overseas players
 
I'm ranking them for next year, not 5-year potential. Oden will be the best player on the team next year, as he was this year.

Compared to the original poster, I'd move Miller up to Tier 2, and up to Tier 3 I'd move Howard and Blake. I value experience.
 
This is by importance to the future of the team.

1. Roy
2. Batum
3. Oden
4. Aldridge
5. Bayless
6. Rudy
7. Claver
8. Cunningham
9. Miller
10. Pryzbilla
11. Webster
12. Outlaw
13. Pendergraph
14. Howard
15. Blake
16. Mills
 
I wonder where Hedo would fall on everyone's list?

BNM
 
There are tons of ways to rank, so this is how important you think they are to the future of the Blazers.

The trouble with not setting a specific date (e.g. 1 year from now or 5 years from now) is that all the oldest guys (Miller, Howard, Przybilla) go at the bottom. The next-oldest guys (Outlaw, Blake) go next-to-last.

So I set a date (next year) in my ranking.
 
Tier 1: bonafide star
Brandon -- Borderline top 10 player, best Blazer since Clyde, nuff said

Tier 2:
Sky's the limit
Nicolas -- already an elite wing defender, and really blossoming on the offensive end, has a killer instinct.

Tier 3: Really good, but not quite great (yet?). Legit starter material at least

LMA -- lots of potential, does a lot of things at a B+ level, but still has a lot of question marks
Greg -- He'd be in tier 2, except for his injuries
Jerryd -- Great driver, elite athlete, tries hard defensively, not quite sure if he'll end up a starting point guard or a career sixth man.
Rudy -- Very smart, very flashy, probably the best pure shooter on the team ... but pretty close to his ceiling due to age, and probably lacks certain physical attributes to take the step up into tier 2 -- will probably end up as a great super sub, or an above average starter somewhere.
Miller -- no mystery here. Miller is still a borderline all-star, but his trajectory is downward from here.

Tier 4: solid rotation player, probably pretty close to his ceiling
Dante -- really well rounded game, solid defensively, doesn't hurt you when he's out there, but probably not a lot of ceiling left to tap at 22
Travis -- really good bench scorer, kind of shaky on D, up and down court IQ and this is probably all that he'll ever be after 7 years in the league -- still not a bad player to have on your roster
Webster -- A jump shooter with a nice NBA body, some above average defense and confidence issues. His defense allows him to be on the court even when he's not hitting and he doesn't kill you to have him soak up 15 minutes a night and occasionally can give you a memorable performance ... a good 8th man.
Steve -- a classic low usage, low mistake backup point guard. Not very dynamic, can fairly reliably hit the long ball, not a lot of negatives to his game, but not a lot of positives either. Replaceable, but not a liability either.

Tier 5: Mystery meat/end of the bench
Juwan: His veteran presence in the locker room and coach on the floor mentality is probably more useful than what he actually does on the court. I'd love to have him as an assistant coach when his playing days are done. Love him.
Pendergraph: Lots of hustle, but very, very raw as an NBA player; seems like his career could go any number of directions.
Mills: D-league hero! His career like Jeff's could go any number of directions, but based on his draft position and fairly mediocre numbers in the WCC, counting on him becoming a regular in the NBA is probably a stretch. Not much harm taking a flier on him though.

Tier 6: Up in the air.

Joel: If he wasn't presently recovering from a truly devastating knee injury he'd be near the top of Tier 4, but as it is with his age, his size and his history of injuries I'm not really sure where to put him, except to say "get well soon"
 
You said "important to the future of the Blazers":

Tier One
Greg, Brandon, Sergio :cheers:

Tier Two

Rudy, LaMarcus, Travis, Nic, Joel

Tier 3

Steve, Jerryd, Martell

Tier 4

Nobody else has shown me they are "important to the future of the Blazers".
 
You said "important to the future of the Blazers":

Tier One
Greg, Brandon, Sergio :cheers:

Tier Two

Rudy, LaMarcus, Travis, Nic, Joel

Tier 3

Steve, Jerryd, Martell

Tier 4

Nobody else has shown me they are "important to the future of the Blazers".

MILLER is the Future
 
If you assume Oden is healthy...


1a. Roy
1b. Oden

3. Aldridge
4. Batum
5. Bayless

6. Fernandez
7. Webster
8. Miller
9. Pryzbilla
10. Miller

11. Pendergraph
12. Cunningham

13. Blake
14. Mills
15. Howard

Prospects:

16. Claver
17. Freeland
18. Koponen

Miller and Howard are ranked lower because they're older. These are tiers representing long-term value.

If we assume Oden is going to continue to battle injuries and be out of the league within five years, Oden drops to about 10 and Pryzbilla jumps up to 6.
 
You said "important to the future of the Blazers":

Tier One
Greg, Brandon, Sergio :cheers:

You really think Sergio is that bad, that he can help the Blazers win a lot of games by playing for other teams?

I'm skeptical. I also think he's bad at basketball, but not enough to make a major difference as a Blazer opponent. He may not even be playing for NBA teams soon.
 
1. Oden
2. Roy
3. Batum
4. Aldridge
5. Miller
6. Przybilla
7. Bayless
8. Fernandez
9. Outlaw
10. Webster
11. Blake
12. Cunningham
13. Howard
14. Pendergraph
15. Mills



I think you are the only one who truly understood the question, besides me.
 
1 - Roy
2- Oden
3 - Batum
4 - Aldridge
5 - Miller
6 - Rudy
7 - Pryzbilla
8 - Bayless
9 - Outlaw
10 - Cunningham
11 - Pendergraph
12 - Mills
13 - Howard
14 - Blake
15 - Webster
 

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