Ranking the NBA's 30 point guards

[Natebishop3]

Hey @Natebishop3 being top 5 is a great accomplishment in a field of extremely talented PGs. I would say the PG position is the deepest it has been in a long while.

The whole point of these lists is to debate where players are ranked. Otherwise what's the point?

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Eh..... it's pretty close actually. So far this year:

Dame - 102 DRTG, 0.2 DWS, -1.1 DBPM

Wall - 100 DRTG, 0.2 DWS, 0.9 DBPM

Dame was at a 112 DRTG last year, while Wall was 102, so Dame has actually improved quite a bit and Wall has stayed the same.

Yes, but our team DRtg is 99.9; Dame is still a bit below average in the system, and maybe benefitting from better team defense overall.

 

[magnifier661]

The whole point of these lists is to debate where players are ranked. Otherwise what's the point?

Well, I don't think the difference between 3-6 is all that great. You can adjust and swap them around and no one would really complain, IMO. Being in the top 5 is an achievement and I don't think arguing that he should be 4 instead of 5 is such a big deal.

 

[Natebishop3]

Yes, but our team DRtg is 99.9; Dame is still a bit below average in the system, and maybe benefitting from better team defense overall.

Doesn't everybody benefit from better team defense? I think LA demonstrated pretty well yesterday that he's horrible at team defense. He doesn't know how to switch on a screen. I think he's going to drive Pop nuts.

 

[Natebishop3]

Well, I don't think the difference between 3-6 is all that great. You can adjust and swap them around and no one would really complain, IMO. Being in the top 5 is an achievement and I don't think arguing that he should be 4 instead of 5 is such a big deal.

The difference between 3 and 6 is actually pretty massive. Curry/Westbrook/Paul are on a tier above the rest. Guys like Wall and Dame still haven't quite reached that level. With that said, I honestly wouldn't take Westbrook over Dame. I can't stand the guy. I think he's a horrible teammate. He shot the Thunder out of the game yesterday against Toronto. Regardless, the guy is just an insane talent.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Doesn't everybody benefit from better team defense? I think LA demonstrated pretty well yesterday that he's horrible at team defense. He doesn't know how to switch on a screen. I think he's going to drive Pop nuts.

Yeah, comparing two players based on a number like O/DRtg or PER seems viable but basketball is such a fluid team sport, where every player has to do a bunch of things, that I think individual stats really don't compare well like they do in other sports with more regimented positions.

Stotts has a system, and all we see is how well people do in the context of the team. Dame is a slightly below-average defender on a slightly above-average defensive team. Maybe that means he's average, but on a bad defensive team he might be horrendous.

 

[magnifier661]

The difference between 3 and 6 is actually pretty massive. Curry/Westbrook/Paul are on a tier above the rest. Guys like Wall and Dame still haven't quite reached that level. With that said, I honestly wouldn't take Westbrook over Dame. I can't stand the guy. I think he's a horrible teammate. He shot the Thunder out of the game yesterday against Toronto. Regardless, the guy is just an insane talent.

Okay fine. The difference between 4-6 is minimal.

 

[ThugginPaulyGAllen]

Westbrook is #1, and I don't think Curry or CP3 are that close to him honestly.

Curry #2

Wall, CP3, Lillard are all interchangeable IMO. If CP3 still had knees he'd be #2, imo.

 

[Natebishop3]

Westbrook is #1, and I don't think Curry or CP3 are that close to him honestly.

Curry #2

Wall, CP3, Lillard are all interchangeable IMO. If CP3 still had knees he'd be #2, imo.

Curry is balling out of his mind right now. I don't know if I'd say Russ is the clear #1.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Curry is balling out of his mind right now. I don't know if I'd say Russ is the clear #1.

The number are unreal; he's shooting north of 60%/50%/95%

 

[Natebishop3]

The number are unreal; he's shooting north of 60%/50%/95%

For the last three years I thought Dame was on the same trajectory as Curry. Their numbers are pretty comparable. I'm not sure though if Dame can do what Curry is doing. I guess we'll see.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I'm not sure though if ANYONE could do what Curry is doing. I guess we'll see.

FTFY... Curry's playing like he's on a lower difficulty level than the rest of the league.

That said, Curry only has 7 more made field goals than Dame after the same number of games.

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

1. Westbrook
2. Curry
3. Paul
4. Wall
5. Dame
6. Irving
7. Conley
8. Lowry
9. Teague
10. Bledsoe
11-30. Who cares

 

[ThugginPaulyGAllen]

Curry is balling out of his mind right now. I don't know if I'd say Russ is the clear #1.

He is balling out of his mind and he still won't get you a near triple double, but yeah he can score with the best of em.

Westbrook will assist, score in multiple ways, rebound, and defend. He is a complete player that is ultra athletic, fast and talented.

Curry cant do all that. Curry is bbq chicken vs Westbrook.

 

[ThugginPaulyGAllen]

1. Westbrook
2. Curry
3. Paul
4. Wall
5. Dame
6. Irving
7. Conley
8. Lowry
9. Teague
10. Bledsoe
11-30. Who cares

Teague up 3 spots, switch Wall and CP3 IMO

 

[MarAzul]

I don't know what BB school this board attended. But Wall is pretty damn good, effective and his stats show it. Damian is a very talented, even gifted ball player, but his stats suck for PG.
Look at last night, he lead his team in shots missed, shots attempted, Turn overs. A TO/assist ratio you don't want to know, and an A/M, if you did know would be a clear clue on how to set the defense for Portland. McCollum on the other hand had a good A/M of 1, especially for a SG.

Portland won the game last night, but why? The question when the team only had 11 assists, that is bad in any book in any language. But then, they played a team that only had nine assists, and it has to be a joke that Utah was the best defensive team. The coach obviously never look at or even knows of Damian's A/M. That really should be a dead give away on how to defend Damian who has the ball all the time Portland is in possession. It has been a while now since coach Newell was around to teach fundamental stuff about basketball, perhaps the knowledge is even lost.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

3. Paul
4. Wall

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

I don't know what BB school this board attended. But Wall is pretty damn good, effective and his stats show it. Damian is a very talented, even gifted ball player, but his stats suck for PG.
Look at last night, he lead his team in shots missed, shots attempted, Turn overs. A TO/assist ratio you don't want to know, and an A/M, if you did know would be a clear clue on how to set the defense for Portland. McCollum on the other hand had a good A/M of 1, especially for a SG.

Portland won the game last night, but why? The question when the team only had 11 assists, that is bad in any book in any language. But then, they played a team that only had nine assists, and it has to be a joke that Utah was the best defensive team. The coach obviously never look at or even knows of Damian's A/M. That really should be a dead give away on how to defend Damian who has the ball all the time Portland is in possession. It has been a while now since coach Newell was around to teach fundamental stuff about basketball, perhaps the knowledge is even lost.

Wall is a true point guard in an era of few true point guards.

Dame and CJ are both combo guards in the way AI, Jason Terry, Gilbert Arenas, etc. were.

Dame's turnovers will come down as the season progresses imo, once the team gels the offense will be smoother and his assists numbers should rise.

If at the end of the year Dame's stats were say 26 PPG/8APG/4RPG/3TOPG/2SPG on decent shooting like .460/.380/.880 would you be satisfied?

 

[Strenuus]

Wall is a true point guard in an era of few true point guards.

Dame and CJ are both combo guards in the way AI, Jason Terry, Gilbert Arenas, etc. were.

Dame's turnovers will come down as the season progresses imo, once the team gels the offense will be smoother and his assists numbers should rise.

If at the end of the year Dame's stats were say 26 PPG/8APG/4RPG/3TOPG/2SPG on decent shooting like .460/.380/.880 would you be satisfied?

He is supposed to have 20 assists a game, don't you know?

It's alright though, MarAzul is too busy shooing people off his lawn.

 

[BonesJones]

To this point Dame hasn't been anywhere close to the play-maker that Wall has been. You (Nate) say that their stats from last season were pretty much the same, but I don't think that 6 APG is anywhere near the same as 10 APG. Wall was only .2 APG behind league-leading CP3 last season - Dame was #16. That's a pretty big difference. Hopefully Dame can close the gap this season now that he doesn't have a pass to a mediocre shooter for half the game.

Not really - he scored 4 fewer points on 2 fewer shot attempts, while shooting a slightly better percentage, and generating 8+ more points via passing.

You have to remember that Washington's offense was ran through Wall and he has two great pick n roll bigs... Portlands offense was ran through LaMarsha isos. So the +4 in assists for Wall isn't from straight-up talent IMO.

 

[MarAzul]

Wall is a true point guard in an era of few true point guards.

Dame and CJ are both combo guards in the way AI, Jason Terry, Gilbert Arenas, etc. were.

Dame's turnovers will come down as the season progresses imo, once the team gels the offense will be smoother and his assists numbers should rise.

If at the end of the year Dame's stats were say 26 PPG/8APG/4RPG/3TOPG/2SPG on decent shooting like .460/.380/.880 would you be satisfied?

Yes.

 

[BonesJones]

The argument that I'd rather have is if CJ keeps playing the way he has, then where does he stand among SGs? Even if his numbers decline a little from the 23/4/3 he's posting (49/42/85 %s), I'd still think he's a top 10 SG, maybe higher.

 

[MarAzul]

off his lawn

Lawn is a poor cash crop, I haven't planted one in years.

 

[Strenuus]

Lawn is a poor cash crop, I haven't planted one in years.

Baron desert, perhaps?

 

[BlazerDuckSeahawkFan94]

The argument that I'd rather have is if CJ keeps playing the way he has, then where does he stand among SGs? Even if his numbers decline a little from the 23/4/3 he's posting (49/42/85 %s), I'd still think he's a top 10 SG, maybe higher.

1. Har_en
2. Butler
3. Thompson
4. Beal
5. Wade
6. DeRozan
7. CJ
8. Oladipo
9. K-Mart
10. Wiggins

CURRENTLY

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't know what BB school this board attended. But Wall is pretty damn good, effective and his stats show it. Damian is a very talented, even gifted ball player, but his stats suck for PG.
Look at last night, he lead his team in shots missed, shots attempted, Turn overs. A TO/assist ratio you don't want to know, and an A/M, if you did know would be a clear clue on how to set the defense for Portland. McCollum on the other hand had a good A/M of 1, especially for a SG.

Portland won the game last night, but why? The question when the team only had 11 assists, that is bad in any book in any language. But then, they played a team that only had nine assists, and it has to be a joke that Utah was the best defensive team. The coach obviously never look at or even knows of Damian's A/M. That really should be a dead give away on how to defend Damian who has the ball all the time Portland is in possession. It has been a while now since coach Newell was around to teach fundamental stuff about basketball, perhaps the knowledge is even lost.

You only care about one statistic, and in today's NBA that one statistic isn't as important as it once was for a point guard.

 

[MarAzul]

that one statistic isn't as important as it once was

Really! Well a good team does score assisted points. The league Champ had 28 last night, a good coach can put and offense out there to distribute the assisting.
But some body needs to do it.

 

[Strenuus]

Really! Well a good team does score assisted points. The league Champ had 28 last night, a good coach can put and offense out there to distribute the assisting.
But some body needs to do it.

Not just any BODY.. HELP... NOT JUST ANY BODY!

 

[theprunetang]

1. Har_en
2. Butler
3. Thompson
4. Beal
5. Wade
6. DeRozan
7. CJ
8. Oladipo
9. K-Mart
10. Wiggins

CURRENTLY

1. Lames Harden
2. Butler
3. Beal
4. Thompson
5. Wade
6. 3J McBuckets
7. Oladipo
8. DeRozan
9. Wiggins
10. KMart

 

[Natebishop3]

Really! Well a good team does score assisted points. The league Champ had 28 last night, a good coach can put and offense out there to distribute the assisting.
But some body needs to do it.

Some of the greatest point guards at passing the ball.... Stockton, Nash, Payton, etc. how many rings do they have? Who was the point guard on the Jordan Bulls? Who was the point guard on the shaq Lakers? How many assists has tony Parker averaged every year? How many rings does he have?


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