Re-signing Nurkic: How Much is Too Much?

[Strenuus]

all that happened AFTER he signed contract, so WHEN he signed the contract, he was underpaid

but you guys keep pushing your narrative

They are still facts.

Your narrative is "pay max contract. Even if he is injured during half of it before paying max contract" i.e. the facts you don't want to hear.

So it was relevant. Nice try.

 

[Strenuus]

i pray to god that nurk leaves this godforsaken franchise

Good. We're on the same page with this.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'd be shocked if Detroit offers $20m/year, but I suppose anything is possible. OKC isn't going to want Nurk.

 

[Mr. Robot]

They are still facts.

Your narrative is "pay max contract. Even if he is injured during half of it before paying max contract" i.e. the facts you don't want to hear.

So it was relevant. Nice try.

you cannot put those facts in the context of his current contract, as it happened after he signed a contract, you can put those facts in the context of his next contract

some of you will really hate his next contract lol, trail blazers dont want smoke with rich paul

 

[wizenheimer]

stop it, just stop it

why? because you don't like it?

I mean, do you think injury-prone bigs have as much value as comparable durable bigs? Do we have to gauge the value of Nurkic and Zach for only the games they played and not how many games they missed? Do you think the Blazer F.O., or any other F.O., will actually anticipate Nurkic being available for 95% of the games during his next contract? or will they adjust the offer based upon his injury history?

why shouldn't Blazer fans on a message board like this want to see Nurkic on a bargain contract instead of a bloated one?

In the first 3 years of Nurkic's current deal, he totaled 11.1 winshares. In the same period of time, Gobert totaled 46.4 winshares; Sabonis totaled 22.0 winshares on worse teams, is 3 years younger, and only makes 20M/year

you cannot put those facts in the context of his current contract, as it happened after he signed a contract, you can put those facts in the context of his next contract

which is exactly what I'm doing. This is a discussion about his next contract. How he has produced in his current contract informs what he should be paid in his next

 

[James lamphear]

Nurk will see what the going price is on the market is and if he doesn't like what he seeing he come back negotiate a contract with the blazers. I see not getting not more then 15 million anything over that would be to high. Plus you got Simons and the same goes with him and someone will offer him and offer sheet and if it's to high you the blazers need to back away. What they shouldn't do is do what Olshey did where you don't have any flexibility.

 

[Tince]

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[Pinwheel1]

Nurk will see what the going price is on the market is and if he doesn't like what he seeing he come back negotiate a contract with the blazers. I see not getting not more then 15 million anything over that would be to high. Plus you got Simons and the same goes with him and someone will offer him and offer sheet and if it's to high you the blazers need to back away. What they shouldn't do is do what Olshey did where you don't have any flexibility.

I get that we got burned with the Crabbe offer. But Simons is way better. The offer would really have to be crazy to let Ant go for nothing.
You can always trade him later for value.

 

[B-Roy]

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Detroit is a wildcard because they make stupid decision nobody understands. This off-season they may choose to keep Grant and offer Nurk a giant contract thinking that makes them a playoff team.

I mean last two years, they tried signing centers (Plumlee who was dumped, and then Olynyk). So it's definitely possible they go hunting again. I'm kind of rooting for Bagley to play well there so they just overpay him instead.

 

[Blazinaway]

Detroit is a wildcard because they make stupid decision nobody understands. This off-season they may choose to keep Grant and offer Nurk a giant contract thinking that makes them a playoff team.

I mean last two years, they tried signing centers (Plumlee who was dumped, and then Olynyk). So it's definitely possible they go hunting again. I'm kind of rooting for Bagley to play well there so they just overpay him instead.

They'd be much better off taking a swing offering RFA Ayton a "giant contract" than Nurk, Sarver is a cheap SOB owner

 

[Mr. Robot]

best players deserve to get paid

nurk is 2nd best player on this team

 

[B-Roy]

They'd be much better off taking a swing offering RFA Ayton a "giant contract" than Nurk, Sarver is a cheap SOB owner

Ayton already turned down the 4 year max. What makes you think the Suns wouldn't just match? Ayton was looking for the 5 year max.

 

[James lamphear]

I get that we got burned with the Crabbe offer. But Simons is way better. The offer would really have to be crazy to let Ant go for nothing.
You can always trade him later for value.

I don't give big contracts to one way players right now that's what he is one way player. Something in range of Powell contract would be ideal.

 

[James lamphear]

I think Nurk stays even say Detroit throws a big money. Nurk about winning and being happy. The way I see Nurk leaves if the blazers low ball him then I wouldn't blame. If they give him a decent raise I think he stays.

 

[andalusian]

best players deserve to get paid

nurk is 2nd best player on this team

With dame injured, maybe. Next year I assume the blazers will have dame and ant which are both going to be better than him and whatever they try to trade for with the tpe or sign in free agency. With hart and potentially Winslow being more important than him on modern NBA teams.

Nurk is a good player and valuable to a team but max contract for him is likely to have same effect as cj's too big of a contract was

 

[maxiep]

He'll sign with us and either stay or be signed and traded.

 

[tlongII]

$20 M per year

 

[wizenheimer]

$20 M per year

after what the Blazers did before the deadline, I'd say there's no chance of that.

 

[GDiama]

We should let him walk and sign Hartenstein for the minimum

 

[GDiama]

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Here’s my question, if Nurk gets 18-20 mil and leaves would this trade scenario actually work? Would we still be able to resign Ant? Not a huge Turner fan but if Nurk leaves we would have to find someone.

It says 2023 pick to Indy because it didn’t have the option for our 2022 pick yet. Also the TPE is being used with the NO pick to Det. I just did it as one trade but it would obviously be 2 different trades. This trade is based on us landing picks around 10 and 11.

Dame
Ant/Hart/Keon
Nas/Winslow/Hughes
Grant/(2nd-Tshiebwe?)/Watford
Turner/GB3

That seems like the kind of team Billups wants, very long and athletic.

It's funny nobody mentioned how terrible this trade is for Indiana and just focused on if Turner is a good return lol

 

[PtldPlatypus]

best players deserve to get paid

nurk is 2nd best player on this team

Nurk may be the second-best player on this terrible team. But can be be the second-best player on a contender? Or stated a different way, can you build a contender around Dame with Nurk and no other players that are better than Nurk? If not, then your statement is not relevant.

 

[Cugel]

Nurk may be the second-best player on this terrible team. But can be be the second-best player on a contender? Or stated a different way, can you build a contender around Dame with Nurk and no other players that are better than Nurk? If not, then your statement is not relevant.

I don't think Dame and Nurk can be your two best players on a contender. Need that ~superstar wing alongside Dame, Hart, Nas, and Nurk.

 

[Freshtown]

We should let him walk and sign Hartenstein for the minimum

yes!!!