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@BonesJones didn't you have a trade proposal for Crowder? What was it?
Mine was Aminu and a 2018 1st.

However, too save them $3M, I'd try to flip Layman for an unguaranteed contract, then send the unguaranteed contract out with Connaughton and Vonleh (and maybe a future 1st) in order to match salaries while saving BOS $3M and getting them a PF (which they need).
 
Say we sent out Vonleh, Connaughton, and Layman for Crowder. Were have ET, Crabbe, and Moe all coming off the bench, and their wouldn't be enough minutes.

Should we try to combine Harkless and Davis or Aminu for a starting PF? Who would be available?

Or would we see if we could trade Crabbe, which would almost get us below the luxury tax?
 
I think they ll use Crowder+picks to get a starter. No way we have a good enough offer to get Crowder. If they made a trade with a team like us that doesn't have a starter to offer it would only be for the Celtics to create cap space, not get more salary back than they give away.

Only a 3+ team trade can involve us and the Cs.
 
I think they ll use Crowder+picks to get a starter. No way we have a good enough offer to get Crowder. If they made a trade with a team like us that doesn't have a starter to offer it would only be for the Celtics to create cap space, not get more salary back than they give away.

Only a 3+ team trade can involve us and the Cs.
What starter could they get for Crowder? They have to save money, and Crowder only makes $6M.

Vonleh+Connaughton(U.G.C.)+U.G.C. From a 3rd team (who we send Layman too would be a great start.

Boston would get a young borderline starter at a position of need (PF), who fits what they need in a PF (Defender+PnR Target), as well as save the required amount to sign Hayward.
 
What starter could they get for Crowder? They have to save money, and Crowder only makes $6M.

Vonleh+Connaughton(U.G.C.)+U.G.C. From a 3rd team (who we send Layman too would be a great start.

Boston would get a young borderline starter at a position of need (PF), who fits what they need in a PF (Defender+PnR Target), as well as save the required amount to sign Hayward.

I'm really sorry to say but if you think this is enough to get Crowder you probably don't know anything about Ainge and how he works. He will not just give away one of the best contracts in the league to dump salary. He'll make something out of it. Definitely not a player like Vonleh who is also a RFA next summer and he ll need a big raise.
 
I don't understand why the Celtics would move Crowder, who is locked in super cheap, when they could just as easily move smart or Bradley, who they'll have to give new contracts to soon.
 
I don't understand why the Celtics would move Crowder, who is locked in super cheap, when they could just as easily move smart or Bradley, who they'll have to give new contracts to soon.

Because he plays the same position as Tatum and Hayward.

BNM
 
I'm really sorry to say but if you think this is enough to get Crowder you probably don't know anything about Ainge and how he works. He will not just give away one of the best contracts in the league to dump salary. He'll make something out of it. Definitely not a player like Vonleh who is also a RFA next summer and he ll need a big raise.

They will probably get better offers, but this IS a salary dump. They need to dump enough salary to be able to actually sign Hayward to that contract they just offered him. I'm sure when they were working out their offer, they were already planning on dumping Crowder to give Hayward as much as possible.

Yes, Crowder is a good player on a great contract, but with Tatum and Hayward on board, he becomes expendable.

BNM
 
They will probably get better offers, but this IS a salary dump. They need to dump enough salary to be able to actually sign Hayward to that contract they just offered him. I'm sure when they were working out their offer, they were already planning on dumping Crowder to give Hayward as much as possible.

Yes, Crowder is a good player on a great contract, but with Tatum and Hayward on board, he becomes expendable.

BNM

Well yes when you try to offload a player to create space it's salary dump, but I don't think they;ll do it with Crowder who has an extremely valuable contract. They can create the space with Smart that is RFA next year and they wouldn't sign him anyway. They'll probably use Crowder to get a good trade. I think dumping Rozier and Mickey is enough too, but they probably prefer Rozier to Smart as he is tied for one more year with just 2M.
 
Well yes when you try to offload a player to create space it's salary dump, but I don't think they;ll do it with Crowder who has an extremely valuable contract. They can create the space with Smart that is RFA next year and they wouldn't sign him anyway. They'll probably use Crowder to get a good trade. I think dumping Rozier and Mickey is enough too, but they probably prefer Rozier to Smart as he is tied for one more year with just 2M.

BOS desperately needs bigs - and I mean DESPERATELY. Rebounding was their biggest weakness, by far, last season. They didn't have a single big that was even close to an average rebounder for his position. And, they've let both Olynyk and Tyler Zeller walk to free up space to sign Hayward.

2015-16 Ed Davis would be perfect for them. 2016-17 Ed Davis, not so much. Although, even in a down year, Ed was a WAY better rebounder than anyone on their roster. They don't need scoring from the 4 spot, just rebounding and defense. I'm sure they would love to get Noah Vonleh, but unless a 3rd team is involved, we can't help them clear enough salary to sign the Hayward deal.

Side bar: to those who think our crap contracts don't hurt us because it's Paul Allens' money and we shouldn't care how he spends it - this is an example of why some of us care. BOS has some very good players, players on great contracts, players who actually play defense, that we could use. They are looking to dump salary, but because we are over the tax apron, we can't help give them what they need. So, those very good payers on great contracts will likely end up elsewhere.

That said, and it still doesn't quite get BOS where the need to complete the Hayward signing, but it saves them $1.5 million (half of what they need) and most importantly, addresses their front court needs in a big way:

Ed Davis + Noah Vonleh for Jae Crowder + Marcus Smart

That gives BOS two rebounding, defensive bigs - one veteran + a 22-year old that has already proven he can play defense and rebound against NBA starters. Neither one can score much, but like I said earlier, that's not a big need for BOS at the 4 spot. They really need rebounding most of all, and defense out of that position. This gives them that in both the starting line up and coming off the bench. Vonleh is also young enough to fit well with their younger, up and coming players.

From our standpoint, that gets us TWO excellent perimeter defenders, which addresses our biggest weakness. Losing both Ed and Noah means we'd REALLY need our rookies to step up, but Neil seems very high on them. So, maybe it's time to put up or shut up.

Also, adding Crowder has a domino effect. It means Aminu (for sure) and possibly Harkless become trade bait. They are both on reasonable contracts. So, maybe move one of them for something of need. Perhaps a back up center, like Kyle O'Quinn (first choice) or Cole Aldrich. Harkless for O'Quinn + Lance Thomas works, as does Aminu for Aldrich.

BOS could then waive or trade Jordan Mickey for a future top 55 protected 2nd round pick to clear enough space to complete the Hayward signing.

So, who says no, Olshey or Ainge?

BNM
 
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BOS desperately needs bigs - and I mean DESPERATELY. Rebounding was their biggest weakness, by far, last season. They didn't have a single big that was even close to an average rebounder for his position. And, they've let both Olynyk and Tyler Zeller walk to free up space to sign Hayward.

2015-16 Ed Davis would be perfect for them. 2016-17 Ed Davis, not so much. Although, even in a down year, Ed was a WAY better rebounder than anyone on their roster. They don't need scoring from the 4 spot, just rebounding and defense. I'm sure they would love to get Noah Vonleh, but unless a 3rd team is involved, we can't help them clear enough salary to sign the Hayward deal.

Side bar: to those who think our crap contracts don't hurt us because it's Paul Allens' money and we shouldn't care how he spends it - this is an example of why some of us care. BOS has some very good players, players on great contracts, players who actually play defense, that we could use. They are looking to dump salary, but because we are over the tax apron, we can't help give them what they need. So, those very good payers on great contracts will likely end up elsewhere.

That said, and it still doesn't quite get BOS where the need to complete the Hayward signing, but it saves them $1.5 million (half of what they need) and most importantly, addresses their front court needs in a big way:

Ed Davis + Noah Vonleh for Jae Crowder + Marcus Smart

That gives BOS two rebounding, defensive bigs - one veteran + a 22-year old that has already proven he can play defense and rebound against NBA starters. Neither one can score much, but like I said earlier, that's not a big need for BOS at the 4 spot. They really need rebounding most of all, and defense out of that position. This gives them that in both the starting line up and coming off the bench. Vonleh is also young enough to fit well with their younger, up and coming players.

From our standpoint, that gets us TWO excellent perimeter defenders, which addresses our biggest weakness. Losing both Ed and Noah means we'd REALLY need our rookies to step up, but Neil seems very high on them. So, maybe it's time to put up or shut up.

BOS could then waive or trade Jordan Mickey for a future top 55 protected 2nd round pick to clear enough space to complete the Hayward signing.

So, who says no, Olshey or Ainge?

BNM

I'm pretty sure than even you questioned yourself when you wrote Ed Davis+Vonleh for Crowder+Smart :P

Cmon man, it's inconceivable that they say yes to that.If I was Ainge I'd die with Theis at PF spot than trading Crowder+Smart for these two. Plus the fact that I don't think Vonleh interests them at all because he ll be a RFA next summer.
 
BOS desperately needs bigs - and I mean DESPERATELY. Rebounding was their biggest weakness, by far, last season. They didn't have a single big that was even close to an average rebounder for his position. And, they've let both Olynyk and Tyler Zeller walk to free up space to sign Hayward.

2015-16 Ed Davis would be perfect for them. 2016-17 Ed Davis, not so much. Although, even in a down year, Ed was a WAY better rebounder than anyone on their roster. They don't need scoring from the 4 spot, just rebounding and defense. I'm sure they would love to get Noah Vonleh, but unless a 3rd team is involved, we can't help them clear enough salary to sign the Hayward deal.

Side bar: to those who think our crap contracts don't hurt us because it's Paul Allens' money and we shouldn't care how he spends it - this is an example of why some of us care. BOS has some very good players, players on great contracts, players who actually play defense, that we could use. They are looking to dump salary, but because we are over the tax apron, we can't help give them what they need. So, those very good payers on great contracts will likely end up elsewhere.

That said, and it still doesn't quite get BOS where the need to complete the Hayward signing, but it saves them $1.5 million (half of what they need) and most importantly, addresses their front court needs in a big way:

Ed Davis + Noah Vonleh for Jae Crowder + Marcus Smart

That gives BOS two rebounding, defensive bigs - one veteran + a 22-year old that has already proven he can play defense and rebound against NBA starters. Neither one can score much, but like I said earlier, that's not a big need for BOS at the 4 spot. They really need rebounding most of all, and defense out of that position. This gives them that in both the starting line up and coming off the bench. Vonleh is also young enough to fit well with their younger, up and coming players.

From our standpoint, that gets us TWO excellent perimeter defenders, which addresses our biggest weakness. Losing both Ed and Noah means we'd REALLY need our rookies to step up, but Neil seems very high on them. So, maybe it's time to put up or shut up.

Also, adding Crowder has a domino effect. It means Aminu (for sure) and possibly Harkless become trade bait. They are both on reasonable contracts. So, maybe move one of them for something of need. Perhaps a back up center, like Kyle O'Quinn (first choice) or Cole Aldrich. Harkless for O'Quinn + Lance Thomas works, as does Aminu for Aldrich.

BOS could then waive or trade Jordan Mickey for a future top 55 protected 2nd round pick to clear enough space to complete the Hayward signing.

So, who says no, Olshey or Ainge?

BNM

Ainge. Doesn't save them enough and smart is worth more than that.
 
I'm pretty sure than even you questioned yourself when you wrote Ed Davis+Vonleh for Crowder+Smart :P

Cmon man, it's inconceivable that they say yes to that.If I was Ainge I'd die with Theis at PF spot than trading Crowder+Smart for these two. Plus the fact that I don't think Vonleh interests them at all because he ll be a RFA next summer.

And if Theis is all they have at PF, they will die. They will absolutely get fucking killed inside. Theis wasn't even a starter on his Euroleague team at 25. Vonleh, at 22 has been a starter in the NBA for two seasons. Vonleh has proven he can defend and rebound at the NBA level. Thies averaged 8 reb/36 against inferior competition. Vonleh averaged 11 reb/36 against real NBA players - starters, no less. It will make all their maneuvering to sign Hayward for naught. You still need rebounding and interior defense to win in the playoffs. That killed them this year and will kill them next year if they don't get help up front.

Yes, Crowder is a good player, but he just became redundant. They are shopping both him and Smart to dump salary. At least this trade also helps address their biggest weakness.

Smart will also be an RFA next summer. They trade one future RFA from their surplus for one that addresses their biggest need.

BNM
 
And if Theis is all they have at PF, they will die. They will absolutely get fucking killed inside. Theis wasn't even a starter on his Euroleague team at 25. Vonleh, at 22 has been a starter in the NBA for two seasons. Vonleh has proven he can defend and rebound at the NBA level. Thies averaged 8 reb/36 against inferior competition. Vonleh averaged 11 reb/36 against real NBA players - starters, no less. It will make all their maneuvering to sign Hayward for naught. You still need rebounding and interior defense to win in the playoffs. That killed them this year and will kill them next year if they don't get help up front.

Yes, Crowder is a good player, but he just became redundant. They are shopping both him and Smart to dump salary. At least this trade also helps address their biggest weakness.

Smart will also be an RFA next summer. They trade one future RFA from their surplus for one that addresses their biggest need.

BNM

I don't say they won't trade them. I say that 100% they ll find a better return than this. This is not nearly good enough in my opinion. We are probably not on the same page on how desperate they are. It happens.
 
I don't say they won't trade them. I say that 100% they ll find a better return than this. This is not nearly good enough in my opinion. We are probably not on the same page on how desperate they are. It happens.

It will be interesting to see who they get. They may end up doing two or three different trades to get them the combination of help up front, plus salary dump they need.

BNM
 
they are bringing zizic over right? is he a rebounder type?
 
Can he still play?
I'd put Bosh on our bench and limit his minutes..he'd be great for Vonleh to learn from..have to let Meyers go though in a trade for future picks in a salary dump.....honestly I think it would be cool for Bosh and Vince Carter to retire their last years in Toronto
 
Can he still play?

He's legally allowed to play. League doctors, though, agreed with Heat doctors that his heart condition was too dangerous to play on.
 
Ouch?




More $$$ than Crabbe, I suspect, and by the same team that made the big offer to him last year.
 
Ouch?




More $$$ than Crabbe, I suspect, and by the same team that made the big offer to him last year.


Why compare him to Crabbe? Porter is a year younger and a starter with a 17.3 PER. Crabbe is a 1-dimensional bench player with an 11.6 PER. Turner shoots the 3 just as well as Crabbe, on a lot more attempts, and does EVERYTHING else better than Crabbe. Of course he got a higher offer.

BNM
 
I'm really sorry to say but if you think this is enough to get Crowder you probably don't know anything about Ainge and how he works. He will not just give away one of the best contracts in the league to dump salary. He'll make something out of it. Definitely not a player like Vonleh who is also a RFA next summer and he ll need a big raise.
Clearly the "Realistic" should be in quotes in the thread title....

Mods? You there?
 
The trades in this thread are as realistic as any others in this forum's history. Fans (of any team) always want to devise ways to keep everyone they think are good and ship the garbage for some more good players.
They trades for PG13 and Cousins were likely viewed as unrealistic if looked at before they happened.
 

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