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B-Roy said:
We're not getting Paul George. :biglaugh:
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probably not, but the Pacers are going to have to trade him, they are running out of time. They will trade him before next season. His stock is going down and if they wait till the deadline nobody is going to want him except shitty teams trying to do salary dumps....if the Pacers don't trade him now he might end up walking away for nothing. They can get the most for him now.
 
I don't understand why so many on this board are so quick to throw Moe into deals... He's literally still younger than some of the guys in yesterday's draft, still developing, seems happy in his role and is supposedly still developing (to say nothing of his very reasonable contract...)

Meyers I get. Crabbe and Turner I can at least wrap my head around. But I'd be treating Moe as though he was a top 3 or 4 pick in this draft, not a trade throw-in...
 
glazeduck said:
I don't understand why so many on this board are so quick to throw Moe into deals... He's literally still younger than some of the guys in yesterday's draft, still developing, seems happy in his role and is supposedly still developing (to say nothing of his very reasonable contract...)

Meyers I get. Crabbe and Turner I can at least wrap my head around. But I'd be treating Moe as though he was a top 3 or 4 pick in this draft, not a trade throw-in...
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I don't think he's a throw in... I think he's one of the only guys that has value that we can trade. For all of the reasons you listed and because he's on a reasonable contract, he's really our best option at getting a team to bite.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Will you stop acting like it's two years ago and he still has a ton of value?
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I don't think he has a ton of value. But I think there are at least 3 or 4 other teams that can and will always outbid our best offer. There's no realistic chance he's traded here.
 
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I think this trade is fair. Maybe get the Magic a draft pick to sweeten the deal.

Magic:
-They need Turner more than they need another big man, Lin is a better facilitator and shooter than Payton and his contract is relatively fair.
-Some people at Orlando are pushing to get rid of Payton for a loooong time.
-They get rid of Augustin's contract.

Nuts:
-They get rid of Mozgov's horrible contract and replace him with Biyombo who is younger and more athletic.
-They get the young player they wanted (Crabbe).
-Leonard played well against them and he's still young, maybe they want to try.
-They get rid of Nicholson

Blazers:
-Booker is a good starter at PF.
-Payton can come off the bench and try to be Tony Allen next to CJ or Dame. A cheap experiment.
-After 2 years only ~23 Million are owed per year to trash players in Nicholson and Mozgov as oppose to keep paying ~46 Million per year for Leonard,Crabbe and Turner.


Not to smell my own fart here, but i think this trade is brilliant.:ygrin:
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't think he's a throw in... I think he's one of the only guys that has value that we can trade. For all of the reasons you listed and because he's on a reasonable contract, he's really our best option at getting a team to bite.
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1) I disagree with that. Aminu, Davis, Crabbe, Turner all have trade value.
2) I also don't think we need some massive, league-changing trade... Paul George wouldn't give us the edge over GS, even if he came for free... My only expectation of Neil in the next year is to find deals that allow us financial flexibility and keep the bench stocked (with ED and Aminu leaving...)

In 2 years, a core of Dame, CJ, Moe, Collins and Nurk will be DAMN formidable and (hopefully) peaking right when Cleveland and GS start to break up. Just need to add pieces around that and make sure you can keep those guys together.
 
B-Roy said:
I don't think he has a ton of value. But I think there are at least 3 or 4 other teams that can and will always outbid our best offer. There's no realistic chance he's traded here.
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I think if Indy was going to get a nice haul for him, similar to what Chicago got for Butler, it would have happened last night. There were rumors that Boston was in serious talks for him. I guess we'll see.

George basically killed his value. I will be really shocked if they're able to pull decent value for him.
 
I don't know about realistic trades, but I think we have two types of players we need to trade away - (1) players to trade NOW and (2) players to trade at the deadline.

(1) Aminu and Davis should be traded NOW. There's simply no place for them in our line up, so any value they currently hold will diminish with reduced/eliminated playing time when the season begins. If their PT isn't reduced/eliminated it just means they're taking minutes from guys who might/should be part of our future. Get rid of these two before training camp.

(2) Turner, Crabbe, and Meyers - two of the three (or all three) should be traded during the season once they've recouped a bit of their trade value. Trading them now would be selling low, and it's hard to believe that they could do any damage to their current value - all they can do is increase in value. By all means, if you're ABLE to trade any of them now go for it if the deal makes sense - but it's not as imperative to trade them before training camp. Meyers likely won't have much of a role (other than as an attempt to increase his value), but both Crabbe and Turner will.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Realistic trade ideas from this forum? That's hilarious! We all think we can get Lebron for Meyers, Crabbe, and Turner. :wink:
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Well, why shouldn't we? The Wolves just got Butler for Dunn, Lavine, and picks!
 
The guy I want gone is Turner, but I don't see any plausible salary dump for him. I'd trade Evan Turner to the Lakers for Deng. Another awful contract, but I think he is a vet that wouldn't complain if his minutes were cut. He's can space the floor better.
 
RipCityDSCPL said:
Well, why shouldn't we? The Wolves just got Butler for Dunn, Lavine, and picks!
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Lavine is better than any of the guys we want to deal, the 7 pick is worth more than any of the guys we want to deal, and Dunn is a top-5 pick all of 1 year into his career.

To compare any of our expendable assets to what the Bulls received from Minnesota is completely disingenuous.
 
BoomChakaLaka said:
Ibaka

Lillard
McCullum
Harkless
Ibaka
Nurkic

It's the best we will do. And it will be a Sign & Trade with Aminu going to Toronto
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Have to get before the tax line by trading Aminu and Davis before the draft.
 
Blazers Roy said:
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I think this trade is fair. Maybe get the Magic a draft pick to sweeten the deal.

Magic:
-They need Turner more than they need another big man, Lin is a better facilitator and shooter than Payton and his contract is relatively fair.
-Some people at Orlando are pushing to get rid of Payton for a loooong time.
-They get rid of Augustin's contract.

Nuts:
-They get rid of Mozgov's horrible contract and replace him with Biyombo who is younger and more athletic.
-They get the young player they wanted (Crabbe).
-Leonard played well against them and he's still young, maybe they want to try.
-They get rid of Nicholson

Blazers:
-Booker is a good starter at PF.
-Payton can come off the bench and try to be Tony Allen next to CJ or Dame. A cheap experiment.
-After 2 years only ~23 Million are owed per year to trash players in Nicholson and Mozgov as oppose to keep paying ~46 Million per year for Leonard,Crabbe and Turner.


Not to smell my own fart here, but i think this trade is brilliant.:ygrin:
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Nets can't trade Mozgov with another player because they just traded for him.
 
Has it be posited that KP is likely loathe to make a deal with PA/pdx? Especially one that makes us better? Especially one that could be construed as being in our favor?
 
Blazers Roy said:
Source? and when does the restriction expire?
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http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q100
In addition, teams cannot trade players under the following circumstances:

  • For two months after receiving the player in trade, if the trade aggregates the player's salary with the salaries of other players. However, the team is free to trade the player immediately, either by himself or without aggregating his salary with other salaries. This restriction applies only to players who were acquired using an exception (and not cap room). (Also see question number 88.)
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So that may not be the case with Mosgov, since the trade didn't actually put the Nets over the cap.
 
Blazers Roy said:
As for Crowder, i heard Bill Simmons say that he is not the player that he used to be in terms of being a two-way player and i agree.
He can't really defend guys like he used to,he got smoked by the Cavs and he's now just an "ok" defensive player.
Do we really need his skill set together with Aminu and Harkless?

It is also important to remember that Brown,Tatum and Crowder (together with picks) are discussed as trade pieces for KP right now.
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Crowder is only 27. What do you mean he is not the player he used to be? Maybe he never was that good defensively in the first place. I know we all think other teams players are better defensively than ours, but I can't help buy think that it is often exaggerated because we don't see them on a nightly basis.
 
BoBoBREWSKI said:
Realistic trade ideas from this forum? That's hilarious! We all think we can get Lebron for Meyers, Crabbe, and Turner. :wink:
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Pull the trigger Olshey! WTF are you waiting for?!!
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Crowder is only 27. What do you mean he is not the player he used to be? Maybe he never was that good defensively in the first place. I know we all think other teams players are better defensively than ours, but I can't help buy think that it is often exaggerated because we don't see them on a nightly basis.
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Hmmm, i checked some "opponent scoring" stats at 82games:
Old Jae: http://www.82games.com/1415/14BOS11.HTM
Jae: http://www.82games.com/1617/16BOS9.HTM
Hark: http://www.82games.com/1617/16POR9.HTM

Crowder's defense seems to have gotten down by a bit, but he is still slightly still better than Harkless.

Idk, watched like 6 games of the Celts in the playoffs, Crowder didn't look good or bad on defense. He looked 'ok', not the player who would stop Lebron (who gave Aminu kudos on his D), but also not the player who would play "matador defense" on regular starters.
 
According to Zach Lowe, the Lakers offered an unprotected 2020 first round pick to any team willing to take Deng or Mozgov and found no takers. Tells you how much it would probably take to offload Turner or Crabbe.
 
B-Roy said:
According to Zach Lowe, the Lakers offered an unprotected 2020 first round pick to any team willing to take Deng or Mozgov and found no takers. Tells you how much it would probably take to offload Turner or Crabbe.
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I am not sure how much that tells us. Deng is just not the player he used to be. Lot of mileage on those legs. Crabbe is 25 and can shoot. ET may be overpaid but basketball people respect his game. Mozgov.....not as much
 
I mentioned in another thread, that even after adding Collins and Swanigan, I'd still like to get Kyle O'Quinn, a cheap, veteran 2-way role player that can back up both front court positions.

My real motivation is to try to dump a bad contract on the Knicks. Assuming they don't immediately blow their wad, they will have enough cap space to easily absorb Meyer's Leonard's salary in a Lenard/O'Quinn swap. We may be able to convince them they need another 7-footer who can shoot the 3 to back up Porzingis.

With O'Quinn likely opting out after next season, he'd basically be a one year player to help smooth the transition to the NBA for Collins and Swanigan and cheap insurance against an injury (it seems like we can never have too many healthy bigs).

He also makes Ed Davis expendable, who I would move for a future 2nd round pick.

Where does that leave Vonleh? I'm not sure. Does Swanigan make Vonleh expendable? Not sure yet, but we'll know more after summer league, training camp and the preseason. Vonleh is still young enough that if he does get pushed out by Swanigan, he may still fetch something of value in return.


BNM
 
If the Blazers are serious about reducing salary I would consider ET + 2nd for Rondo - Rondo has 1 year guaranteed and after that a $3m buyout - and they replace the one sub-par shooting 3rd ball-handler for another.

Personally I like ET a lot - I think he will be a lot better in the 2nd year with some bigs that he can play PnR with - but if there is a real need to shed some salary - this is a move that is acceptable for Portland and gives Chicago another pick - for the upcoming rebuild.
 
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