Rebuild

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
wizenheimer said:
problem is contenders don't usually have assets good for rebuilding, especially high draft picks

and another problem is Dame's super-max contract. Teams aren't going to be lining up to take that on
Click to expand...

Especially a soon to be 31 year old on a down slope
 
BigGameDamian said:
You don't need to totally rebuild, You're not going to win a championship that way. You just need to get a new coach along with a new staff. I like the CJ for Gordon Hayward swap now that we have Powell.
Click to expand...
1. The Hornets have a bazillion small guards already.
2. Hayward is a constant injury threat

I would hope we can do better. If we can't, we need to trade Dame instead (for his good as much as ours), because without Dame CJ becomes a lot more useful.
 
B-Roy said:
I think if we traded Dame I would just take a break from the league for a few years. I’d rather see Dame retire at 37 with the team without a ring, even if it means mediocrity for the rest of those years. But for sure get rid of everything else around him.
Click to expand...

As much as I love Lillard. I’m more attached to my favorite team. If Lillard is past his prime (which right now I don’t think he is) and it makes sense to go in a different direction and scrap out the team I’m okay with that. After all we got Lillard and McCollum on a rebuild. It’s part of life and also a big part of being a fan. He’ll forever be revered here.

* I’m not saying we should. I’m just saying when that time comes
 
New GM, new coach and a rebuild around Dame that doesn't include CJ and gets Dame a complementary second option instead of a BFF he takes turns with on O and neverending breaks with on D.

A new GM could take all of this mismatched talent and build a contender around Dame and a decent coach.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I was actually messaging with TBpup since the last Memphis game wondering if it’s time to complete blow it up. I’m just not sure.
Click to expand...
Fuck no. We need to see what this group looks like under a competent coach.
 
Sean.ivity said:
Crazy to see people turn on Dame after a rough stretch. Dude was top 3 MVP candidate at the all star break and the only reason this franchise is relevant.
Click to expand...
How is this turning on Dame? If anything, this is allowing him a chance at a ring that he wouldn't get otherwise. You think he looks happy right now?

Another reason to trade Dame: he's stunting players' growths. This team has come to rely on him too much, which means that he inevitably has to carry us. And when he can't, like now, the team can't win. It must be exhausting always thinking that it's all on you.
 
wizenheimer said:
LOL....Dame and CJ are the core of the team (and Portland was all over Dame before Olshey arrived). Olshey built the team around those two and it has been a failure....according to you who wants to shitcan the experiment and rebuild. If Olshey has failed once, why the fuck would you trust him to not fail again?

the absolute worst thing the Blazers could do is trust Olshey with a rebuild...9 more years of snake oil and bullshit
Click to expand...

Cause Dame and CJ are not bad players, he just got the best at what he could at that pick order. If you redo that 2012 NBA draft, Dame goes #2, instead of #6.

2013 draft, everyone whiffed on Giannis.......but Cj is still the 2nd or 3rd best player we picked at like 10. Pending if you like Rudy more.

So yeah, I trust him with a rebuild.
 
Blazerreynolds said:
He did

He was hired in earlier.
Click to expand...

there has been lots of reporting on this. The Blazer scouting department had been targeting Dame since he was a sophomore at Weber State. There was even discussion about how the Blazers could get into a position to draft Lillard in 2011 if he turned pro after his junior season

Chad Buchanen, when he was the interim GM, was thinking about Portland getting Dame in the 2012 draft when he traded Gerald Wallace to the Nets. As it worked out it was a genius move

and the backdrop to all this was Portland's nearly decade long obsession about landing the PGOTF. They did, and the die was cast before Olshey was hired
 
BonesJones said:
Fuck no. We need to see what this group looks like under a competent coach.
Click to expand...
As long as Melo isn’t back. And preferably get a shot blocker behind Nurk, I wouldn’t mind that. But as long as we get a competent coach. Would you still start Powell at SF though?
 
wizenheimer said:
there has been lots of reporting on this. The Blazer scouting department had been targeting Dame since he was a sophomore at Weber State. There was even discussion about how the Blazers could get into a position to draft Lillard in 2011 if he turned pro after his junior season

Chad Buchanen, when he was the interim GM, was thinking about Portland getting Dame in the 2012 draft when he traded Gerald Wallace to the Nets. As it worked out it was a genius move

and the backdrop to all this was Portland's nearly decade long obsession about landing the PGOTF. They did, and the die was cast before Olshey was hired
Click to expand...

That is your opinion, you are entitled to it.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
How is this turning on Dame? If anything, this is allowing him a chance at a ring that he wouldn't get otherwise. You think he looks happy right now?

Another reason to trade Dame: he's stunting players' growths. This team has come to rely on him too much, which means that he inevitably has to carry us. And when he can't, like now, the team can't win. It must be exhausting always thinking that it's all on you.
Click to expand...
Basically all you're saying is we need a new coach, and I agree.
 
Blazerreynolds said:
That is your opinion, you are entitled to it.
Click to expand...

what is opinion?

that Chad Buchanen traded Wallace for the 6th pick with Lillard in mind?

that the Portland scouting department was focused on Lillard for 3 seasons?

that the Blazers and Paul Allen were searching hard for years for the PGOTF?
 
My take, boot Neil and Stotts out the door and find a way to use Cj to upgrade the 4 spot and resign Powell to start at the two. Get a Lou Williams type to play the 6th man role, preferably an actual back up point guard and see how it shakes out.
 
Any chance Boston decides to part with Jaylen Brown or the Bucks part with Khris Middleton?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
How is this turning on Dame? If anything, this is allowing him a chance at a ring that he wouldn't get otherwise. You think he looks happy right now?

Another reason to trade Dame: he's stunting players' growths. This team has come to rely on him too much, which means that he inevitably has to carry us. And when he can't, like now, the team can't win. It must be exhausting always thinking that it's all on you.
Click to expand...
Of course he's not happy they're losing and call me crazy but I like the leader of my favorite sports team being upset when losing... But he's also stated multiple times he'd rather ride it out in Portland then go play somewhere else.

I personally am ok with them getting a new coach but I feel like this is a poorly constructed roster. When your HoF player is only 6'2. You need to surround him with more length and defense. But Oshley has a connection with "his" players and that's not a good quality to have in a GM. People blame Dame for Neil not making moves but Dames said multiple times he's not the GM. If Dame had his way Tim Frazier and Ed Davis would 100% still be on the team.

They need a roster overhaul.. the height of the starting line up is laughable and the combo of Carmelo/Kanter front court with the subs is horrible defensively.

I just don't think trading your generational franchise player in the middle of his prime is the answer because he's slumping during a season where there's no real consistent help coming from any other player and the chemistry is obviously off.

But I might be wrong and blowing it up and potentially being in the lottery for the next decade might be awesome too.
 
wizenheimer said:
what is opinion?

that Chad Buchanen traded Wallace for the 6th pick with Lillard in mind?

that the Portland scouting department was focused on Lillard for 3 seasons?

that the Blazers and Paul Allen were searching hard for years for the PGOTF?
Click to expand...

You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I will not attempt to bash or sway you. The thing about me is, I am tolerate to others opinions.

If you want to believe Olshey had nothing to do with Dame, that is 100% fine with me.
 
I will leave this thread by saying, I can see both sides of the argument.

I just don't feel we can win with Dame as "The guy;" nor do I believe he can attract other guys.

Leaning towards rebuild, but I understand were others are coming from.

Peace.
 
Great idea! Nothing beats spending 7 years out of the playoffs, having each season mean nothing, and praying for a high lottery pick that MAY pay off three years after the draft.

Sure beats watching the greatest Blazer ever in his prime. Awesome idea!
 
Blazerreynolds said:
You are entitled to believe whatever you want. I will not attempt to bash or sway you. The thing about me is, I am tolerate to others opinions.

If you want to believe Olshey had nothing to do with Dame, that is 100% fine with me.
Click to expand...

Olshey obviously was the GM when he Dame was selected. And he might have liked Dame best for that pick. All I'm saying is that the Blazers had appeared to land on Dame as the pick before Olshey arrived. CJ? sure, that's likely all Olshey. Dame isn't
 
julius said:
Trading Dame would ruin this franchise.
Click to expand...
Okay. Why?
Here's where I disagree: no player is a franchise (except maybe Michael Jordan for the Bulls - but even then they've had the Thibs-Rose years since).
Here's where I SORT of agree: it would be pretty much a first to trade a franchise player who wasn't asking to be traded. Players like Drexler, Barkley, Kawhi, Anthony Davis et. al. had all asked to be traded. Maybe DeRozan is an example, but even then, he was traded for a better player.
Now, I'm pretty sure that if you found out we could trade Dame for Giannis or Doncic or someone like that you wouldn't say that it "ruined the franchise," even if you still disapproved because of Dame's all-round-great-dude-ness.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Okay. Why?
Here's where I disagree: no player is a franchise (except maybe Michael Jordan for the Bulls - but even then they've had the Thibs-Rose years since).
Here's where I SORT of agree: it would be pretty much a first to trade a franchise player who wasn't asking to be traded. Players like Drexler, Barkley, Kawhi, Anthony Davis et. al. had all asked to be traded. Maybe DeRozan is an example, but even then, he was traded for a better player.
Now, I'm pretty sure that if you found out we could trade Dame for Giannis or Doncic or someone like that you wouldn't say that it "ruined the franchise," even if you still disapproved because of Dame's all-round-great-dude-ness.
Click to expand...

on one hand, I'd agree that due diligence says you should always listen to offers, even for a player that means as much to the franchise as Dame. Maybe even make a lopsided proposal every once in a while to at least check the temperature

on the other hand, even considering trading Dame at this point before firing Olshey is a travesty. He's the best player Portland has had since Drexler, and Drexler was the best since Walton. And that's it; that's the total list of franchise players Portland has had, and Dame is arguably the best. And because of Olshey's goddamn love affair with CJ we don't really know if there were any actual realistic opportunities for Portland to get Dame a partner who could actually carry an equal share of the burden. There certainly have been other franchise players traded over the last 4 seasons

considering trading dame is a capitulation to Olshey's ego and stubbornness. Every other option should be explored first, after firing Olshey, and for damn sure some of those options should be tried even if they fail, because trading Dame would be about the biggest failure of all. And no, no player close to the level of Giannis or Doncic will be trade for Dame. For chrissakes, all the Rockets got for Harden was Oladipo and Dante Exum and a collection of late 1st round picks
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Boise Blazer
Blazers begin interviewing for vacant assistant position
2
Replies
32
Views
2K
PapaG
PapaG
illmatic99
Rebuild Around Dame
2 3 4
Replies
114
Views
9K
Haakzilla
Haakzilla
illmatic99
Chris Haynes on what Portland did at the deadline
2 3
Replies
70
Views
4K
Tince
Tince
Scalma
Blazers don't need another "star"
2 3 4
Replies
109
Views
5K
andalusian
andalusian
Sarni
Random Trade Rumours/Idea Thread
2
Replies
56
Views
4K
Magic's Johnson
M

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top