Politics Recall Newsom!

[andalusian]

But do sane conservative politicians still exist?

The funny thing is that the majority of the Republican party does not seem to get it. Trump won because Hillary was such a let down after Obama that people were apathetic. Trump shone a bright light on why people should not be and the American people are engaged because values matter.

Instead of looking within, they continue to askew values for bravado, and it will kick them worse. Newsome's no recall vote is currently higher than his election percentage.

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

But how does Caitlyn Jenner take over if Newsome stays in the household?

That’s not possible, is it?

 

[Lanny]

OK, today's the day. Biden went to offer support and rally the crowds... "Speaking to hundreds of cheering supporters during a twilight rally in the coastal city of Long Beach, south of Los Angeles..." Hundreds? Not thousands? Hmmm..... doesn't sound too good when a few hundred people come to cheer the President and his support for Newsome. With Forty-six candidates are on the ballot, I think he's safe.

What happened? I heard that Newsom won by 2.3 Million votes. It was 5.830 Million to 3.30 Million votes or a 52% shellacking. My condolences.

 

[Lanny]

Imagine thinking you could win a recall election against a Democrat in a state that buses in illegal immigrants to vote.

Honestly, though, Newsom should write a nice thank you letter to Larry Elder. The face of the recall imitating Trump really made it easy for Newsom--if the conservative standard bearer had been someone halfway sane, Newsom might have actually been in trouble.

But do sane conservative politicians still exist?

The sane Conservatives, like George Will, now support the sane Democrats.

 

[Chris Craig]

What happened? I heard that Newsom won by 2.3 Million votes. It was 5.830 Million to 3.30 Million votes or a 52% shellacking. My condolences.

You didn't hear? He stole the election. There is election fraud all over the state. Many ballots were changed electronically to Democrat via a good times virus.

 

[Minstrel]

If a special election to recall Governor Newsom were held today, 40 percent of likely voters say they would vote yes on removing Newsom, while 56 percent would vote no and 5 percent are unsure. Views break along party lines: Republicans (79%) are far more likely than independents (42%) and Democrats (15%) to say they would vote yes …

Mark Baldassare, PPIC president and CEO, [notes:] “The share who would now vote to remove the governor is similar to the 38 percent who did not vote for Newsom in the fall of 2018.”​

Story of the recall: people who didn't vote for him before still won't vote for him.

This proved to basically be true. Republicans wasted $300M of taxpayer money to essentially re-run the 2018 election.

After five previous failed attempts to waste $300M of taxpayer money to re-run the 2018 election.

 

[barfo]

The attempted recall of Kate Brown in Oregon is similarly pointless windmill-tilting.

If they actually succeeded, they'd be replacing Kate with Secretary of State Shemia Fagen, who is younger, arguably more liberal, and most importantly, not term-limited out in 2022 like Kate.

barfo

 

[Thatbpguy]

What happened? I heard that Newsom won by 2.3 Million votes. It was 5.830 Million to 3.30 Million votes or a 52% shellacking. My condolences.

He won by such a large margin that he was never in any serious trouble. Well, good for him.

 

[Thatbpguy]

The attempted recall of Kate Brown in Oregon is similarly pointless windmill-tilting.

If they actually succeeded, they'd be replacing Kate with Secretary of State Shemia Fagen, who is younger, arguably more liberal, and most importantly, not term-limited out in 2022 like Kate.

barfo

Kate is as close to inept as we've had since Roberts, but I don't see any serious impeachable offenses.

 

[Lanny]

He won by such a large margin that he was never in any serious trouble. Well, good for him.

Yes, I heartedly concur.

 

[Lanny]

Kate is as close to inept as we've had since Roberts, but I don't see any serious impeachable offenses.

Well, you're half right.

 

[Voodoo]

This proved to basically be true. Republicans wasted $300M of taxpayer money to essentially re-run the 2018 election.

After five previous failed attempts to waste $300M of taxpayer money to re-run the 2018 election.

So you’re telling me Republicans are more interested in rehashing the past than about focusing on the future? I am shocked.

 

[Lanny]

So you’re telling me Republicans are more interested in rehashing the past than about focusing on the future? I am shocked.

Don't forget, even losing campaigns bring in cash donations to be spent in ways that bend the rules.

 

[Voodoo]

Don't forget, even losing campaigns bring in cash donations to be spent in ways that bend the rules.

Yes, that was sarcasm, everything the Republicans do is about focusing on the past and not the present. Every decision they make is about reliving the past (recalls, audits, etc) instead of ever offering a compelling vision for the future. The reason is simple, they don’t have a coherent vision of their values anymore, and they don’t live or act in any kind of morally consistent way.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The recall was a legitimate political process and a check and balance, and was done through collecting signatures from registered voters to trigger it.

 

[Voodoo]

The recall was a legitimate political process and a check and balance, and was done through collecting signatures from registered voters to trigger it.

I may have missed it, but I do not recall anyone saying it was illegitimate - just dumb and a waste of Californian tax payers money. My point is that all of the rhetoric these days coming from the Republican party is entirely focusing on the past. I used the recall and audits as examples of how they are more focused on looking at something that has already happened, in the past, rather than focusing on what to do to win an election in the future.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I may have missed it, but I do not recall anyone saying it was illegitimate - just dumb and a waste of Californian tax payers money. My point is that all of the rhetoric these days coming from the Republican party is entirely focusing on the past. I used the recall and audits as examples of how they are more focused on looking at something that has already happened, in the past, rather than focusing on what to do to win an election in the future.

Everything's a waste. Under Newsome's watch, the EDD paid out $31 billion in fraudulent unemployment claims.

This recall was based on Newsome's record with crime, homelessness, COVID and the forrest fire mismanagement causing rolling blackouts. That and he was caught dining at the French Laundry with energy company execs who got breaks from liability from causing the fires.

I don't know how this is a "focus on the past" at all. Its continuing policies. Lockdowns, defunding the police, restorative justice DAs, and what not. Apparently California wants that all, so be it.

 

[Voodoo]

Everything's a waste. Under Newsome's watch, the EDD paid out $31 billion in fraudulent unemployment claims.

This recall was based on Newsome's record with crime, homelessness, COVID and the forrest fire mismanagement causing rolling blackouts. That and he was caught dining at the French Laundry with energy company execs who got breaks from liability from causing the fires.

I don't know how this is a "focus on the past" at all. Its continuing policies. Lockdowns, defunding the police, restorative justice DAs, and what not. Apparently California wants that all, so be it.

The recall was a partisan attempt to circumvent normal election rules and install a Republican governor in a state in which a Republican otherwise would have no chance at winning.

And again, I never said it wasn’t legitimate, nor did I say there weren’t reasonable complaints on Newsom and his leadership and or policies. But what I stated was it was dumb and a waste of money, and that point still stands. It accomplished nothing, was a waste, and if anything just makes Republicans look bad and petty. If Republicans wanted to actually governor seriously and be taken seriously, they would have to participate in government in good faith. They don’t, and don’t have sound policies based on mountains of evidence, are petty, generally incompetent, and incredibly corrupt.

Democrats are far from perfect, but at least there is still a contingent of non-fanatical morons in the party. I would consider voting for Republicans if the tried to have a compelling set of policy proposals that made any kind of coherent sense - and most importantly if they started taking climate change seriously.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

The recall was a partisan attempt to circumvent normal election rules and install a Republican governor in a state in which a Republican otherwise would have no chance at winning.

And again, I never said it wasn’t legitimate, nor did I say there weren’t reasonable complaints on Newsom and his leadership and or policies. But what I stated was it was dumb and a waste of money, and that point still stands. It accomplished nothing, was a waste, and if anything just makes Republicans look bad and petty. If Republicans wanted to actually governor seriously and be taken seriously, they would have to participate in government in good faith. They don’t, and don’t have sound policies based on mountains of evidence, are petty, generally incompetent, and incredibly corrupt.

Democrats are far from perfect, but at least there is still a contingent of non-fanatical morons in the party. I would consider voting for Republicans if the tried to have a compelling set of policy proposals that made any kind of coherent sense - and most importantly if they started taking climate change seriously.

Would you say the Trump impeachments were a waste, accomplished nothing and made the Democrats look bad and petty? IMO, the dems were searching for reasons to impeach.

Same thing. No chance to succeed, waste under your criteria.

This was more of a grass roots efforts by citizens who didn't agree with Newsome and his lockdowns, shut down businesses, etc. It was during this climate when the whole recall movement started.

If anything, it showed the power of the people more than anything as it was even a miracle we got enough signatures to get it to this point.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This is the one I'm hoping for now:

https://www.recallbonin2021.com/

 

[Minstrel]

This recall was based on Newsome's record with crime, homelessness, COVID and the forrest fire mismanagement causing rolling blackouts.

Right. Except this was the sixth attempted recall by California Republicans. It had nothing to do with any of those things, because the recalls started before he had any record as a governor.

That and he was caught dining at the French Laundry

That happened long after the most recent recall effort had begun. It's so cute how you keep trying to pretend that any of the recalls were tied to anything Newsom did or didn't do, aside from being a Democrat.

I don't know how this is a "focus on the past" at all. Its continuing policies. Lockdowns, defunding the police, restorative justice DAs, and what not. Apparently California wants that all, so be it.

Republicans largely don't like Democratic policies. Thanks for such a trenchant insight. Yes, California wants liberal policies because it's a liberal state. Even 40% of Republicans in this state agree with mask and vaccine mandates. Trump-style national Republican politics make no sense here, as Elder discovered.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Big deal, Arnold had 7 recall attempts. Same with Pete Wilson. It's filing paperwork. Recall attempts happen a lot, it's amazing it even qualified to a vote.

 

[Voodoo]

Would you say the Trump impeachments were a waste, accomplished nothing and made the Democrats look bad and petty? IMO, the dems were searching for reasons to impeach.

Same thing. No chance to succeed, waste under your criteria.

This was more of a grass roots efforts by citizens who didn't agree with Newsome and his lockdowns, shut down businesses, etc. It was during this climate when the whole recall movement started.

If anything, it showed the power of the people more than anything as it was even a miracle we got enough signatures to get it to this point.

My point is that Republicans spend more time thinking about and reveling in the past rather than the future. They pine for the 1950s back, so it’s no wonder they don’t spend any time focusing on the future.

 

[Lanny]

Would you say the Trump impeachments were a waste, accomplished nothing and made the Democrats look bad and petty? IMO, the dems were searching for reasons to impeach.

Same thing. No chance to succeed, waste under your criteria.

This was more of a grass roots efforts by citizens who didn't agree with Newsome and his lockdowns, shut down businesses, etc. It was during this climate when the whole recall movement started.

If anything, it showed the power of the people more than anything as it was even a miracle we got enough signatures to get it to this point.

The Impeachment process was preceded by investigations that proved corruption whereas none of this happened in the Newsom recall attempt.

 

[Minstrel]

Big deal, Arnold had 7 recall attempts. Same with Pete Wilson. It's filing paperwork.

No worries, I take it you're admitting that the recalls had nothing to do with anything Newsom did. It was just the opposition "filing paperwork" because they can.

Recall attempts happen a lot, it's amazing it even qualified to a vote.

It's not that amazing, considering there was a pandemic. The pandemic creates a perfect situation for a governor to cause discontent no matter which policies he adopts: aggressively use mandates to try and limit the virus, you piss off conservatives and business, who want the economy completely open no matter what's going on. Don't aggressively use mandates and everyone else is pissed off that you're not taking the pandemic seriously. It was tailor-made for a recall petition to get enough signatures. The actual vote showed that California as a whole was in no way down on him.

 

[Minstrel]

My point is that Republicans spend more time thinking about and reveling in the past rather than the future. They pine for the 1950s back, so it’s no wonder they don’t spend any time focusing on the future.

A 1950s that only existed in their minds. The 1950s featured a 90% marginal tax rate on the highest bracket. Conservatives today would call that full-blown communism.

 

[Voodoo]

A 1950s that only existed in their minds. The 1950s featured a 90% marginal tax rate on the highest bracket. Conservatives today would call that full-blown communism.

Good point!