Notice Regardless of what the gun nuts say

[PtldPlatypus]

And please, save me the slippery slope argument

Not making one. You should know me better than that. I always start by trying to understand the other person's position. What I'm looking at right now is how this could be accomplished.

Far as I can tell, there's two parts to this: keeping guns out of the hands of those previously diagnosed, and getting them out of the hands of those newly diagnosed.

For the first part:

• I presume the background check process would need to be strengthened and loopholes eliminated.
• This probably requires criminalizing any private party gun sales, because the necessary checks wouldn't occur in them.
• Then, I assume there would have to be some sort of integration of medical reporting with the background check process
  • This would also probably require a major adjustment to HIPAA laws.

For the second:

• I don't see any way to do this without creating a national database.
• Medical professionals would then report any mental disorder diagnoses to the ATF
• Post diagnosis, gun owners would be compensated fair value for registered firearms which would then be confiscated by the government (since private party sales are illegal).

Does this look about right, or is there something you would say should be added or altered?

 

[dviss1]

Not making one. You should know me better than that. I always start by trying to understand the other person's position. What I'm looking at right now is how this could be accomplished.

Far as I can tell, there's two parts to this: keeping guns out of the hands of those previously diagnosed, and getting them out of the hands of those newly diagnosed.

For the first part:

• I presume the background check process would need to be strengthened and loopholes eliminated.
• This probably requires criminalizing any private party gun sales, because the necessary checks wouldn't occur in them.
• Then, I assume there would have to be some sort of integration of medical reporting with the background check process
  • This would also probably require a major adjustment to HIPAA laws.

For the second:

• I don't see any way to do this without creating a national database.
• Medical professionals would then report any mental disorder diagnoses to the ATF
• Post diagnosis, gun owners would be compensated fair value for registered firearms which would then be confiscated by the government (since private party sales are illegal).

Does this look about right, or is there something you would say should be added or altered?

That wasn't really directed to you even though it was said in response. I was more preempting others slippery slope arguments.

I'm all for a change in HIPPA laws. I'm all for outlawing Private gun sales. We can't have private alcohol sales can we?

I was told the other day there is already a national database but I didn't believe it because I know that's what the gun lobby says they don't want.

There's a database for MJ users!!! Why not one for gun owners!?!? Sorry, not sorry.

Medical professionals have to report domestic abuse to women and children, I don't see any difference in reporting mental disorders.

 

[Chris Craig]

Not making one. You should know me better than that. I always start by trying to understand the other person's position. What I'm looking at right now is how this could be accomplished.

Far as I can tell, there's two parts to this: keeping guns out of the hands of those previously diagnosed, and getting them out of the hands of those newly diagnosed.

For the first part:

• I presume the background check process would need to be strengthened and loopholes eliminated.
• This probably requires criminalizing any private party gun sales, because the necessary checks wouldn't occur in them.
• Then, I assume there would have to be some sort of integration of medical reporting with the background check process
  • This would also probably require a major adjustment to HIPAA laws.

For the second:

• I don't see any way to do this without creating a national database.
• Medical professionals would then report any mental disorder diagnoses to the ATF
• Post diagnosis, gun owners would be compensated fair value for registered firearms which would then be confiscated by the government (since private party sales are illegal).

Does this look about right, or is there something you would say should be added or altered?

The background check needs to be strengthened yes. No don't criminalize private party sales just require background checks for those too...create a system for that. If you are going to buy a gun then you should be willing to allow a medical background check. What is there to hide if your not mentally ill. Its going to be a lot of work no matter what, but it needs to be done regardless.

 

[MarAzul]

mentally ill.

When you say mentally ill. What exactly does this term mean?

 

[Natebishop3]

Maybe you'd be. Not me. Ever see someone get stabbed? I have. Ask @Chris Craig he's been stabbed. He's alive and able to tell the story.

The bottom line is you're talking about Asia and we're talking about gun violence in AMERICA.

That's how we know you're grasping at straws right now.

Did you watch any of the videos of the Las Vegas shooter? It's the same difference. A bunch of people crammed in a tight space. Nowhere to run. That's not specific to China or the US. If you have nowhere to run, and you don't know what's happening, a lot of people can be hurt or die.

 

[dviss1]

Did you watch any of the videos of the Las Vegas shooter? It's the same difference. A bunch of people crammed in a tight space. Nowhere to run. That's not specific to China or the US. If you have nowhere to run, and you don't know what's happening, a lot of people can be hurt or die.

Then why did he use a gun? Why not knife that many people?? Sorry but I think the conservatives woulda WHOOPED HIS ASS if he were down there with a knife.

You're not making a point bro...

 

[dviss1]

When you say mentally ill. What exactly does this term mean?

It means that you will skate all around it to NOT do shit about it. That's that's what it means.

 

[MarAzul]

It means that you will skate all around it to NOT do shit about it. That's that's what it means.

So, you have no definition. No selection criteria. No process.
Sound about right?

 

[riverman]

When you say mentally ill. What exactly does this term mean?

Mental illness
Mental illnesses are characterized by alterations in thinking, mood or behaviour associated with significant distress and impaired functioning. Examples of specific mental illnesses include: Mood disorders: major depression and bipolar disorder. Schizophrenia. Anxiety disorders. Personality disorders. Eating disorders.

 

[MarAzul]

Mental illness
Mental illnesses are characterized by alterations in thinking, mood or behaviour associated with significant distress and impaired functioning. Examples of specific mental illnesses include: Mood disorders: major depression and bipolar disorder. Schizophrenia. Anxiety disorders. Personality disorders. Eating disorders.

Thank you that is a start. Now you guys want to remove the right to defend themselves from all persons on any list now or in the future under this singular category. Is this correct?

 

[Natebishop3]

Then why did he use a gun? Why not knife that many people?? Sorry but I think the conservatives woulda WHOOPED HIS ASS if he were down there with a knife.

You're not making a point bro...

He used a gun because he was able to get an elevated position and shoot down on the crowd, but there are plenty of situations where people are that packed together.

How often are you in a crowd at the mall? On the max? That piece of shit on the Max killed two dudes in the blink of an eye last year with a knife. Why do you think that if he was crammed in the max during rush hour that he couldn't have killed more?

 

[dviss1]

So, you have no definition. No selection criteria. No process.
Sound about right?

You haven't been keeping up with the thread. I answered this question already...

Zero tolerance.

If you have anxiety attacks:

NO GUN FOR YOU.

You suffer from clinical depression???:

NO GUN FOR YOU.

Schizophrenia??:

NO GUN FOR YOU.

Suicidal???:

NO GUN FOR YOU.

The list goes on. And please, save me the slippery slope argument.

Dillon roof was mentally ill. He went and fellowshipped with fellow Christians, and then shot them to death. One was 87 years old.

Now his FUCKING SISTER is taking weapons to school!!!

 

[dviss1]

He used a gun because he was able to get an elevated position and shoot down on the crowd, but there are plenty of situations where people are that packed together.

How often are you in a crowd at the mall? On the max? That piece of shit on the Max killed two dudes in the blink of an eye last year with a knife. Why do you think that if he was crammed in the max during rush hour that he couldn't have killed more?

The MAX WAS CRAMMED that day.

2 guys were killed. What happened to the 3rd??

HE SAVED THE GIRLS LIVES...

Were they injured?

You're making my point bro...

 

[Jade Falcon]

Forgive me......the emotional cries of teenagers who are being used as pawns by the media cannot be heard through my ear protection when I'm lining up the sights on my AK-47 at the range.

 

[dviss1]

He used a gun because he was able to get an elevated position and shoot down on the crowd, but there are plenty of situations where people are that packed together.

How often are you in a crowd at the mall? On the max? That piece of shit on the Max killed two dudes in the blink of an eye last year with a knife. Why do you think that if he was crammed in the max during rush hour that he couldn't have killed more?

If he wanted to kill people he could've used a knife like. But he didn't. He knew the only way to kill as many people as he could was to use MANY assault rifles ALL with bump stocks.

You can't kill that many people in AMERICA with a knife.

I'm tired of this bullshit narrative.

 

[dviss1]

Forgive me......the emotional cries of teenagers who are being used as pawns by the media cannot be heard through my ear protection when I'm lining up the sights on my AK-47 at the range.

Used as pawns by the media.... Should the kids NOT be heard?

They're the ones getting shot in the ass!!

And please tell me why you need that AK-47.

Fear. That's why.

 

[MarAzul]

The background check needs to be strengthened yes. No don't criminalize private party sales just require background checks for those too...create a system for that. If you are going to buy a gun then you should be willing to allow a medical background check. What is there to hide if your not mentally ill. Its going to be a lot of work no matter what, but it needs to be done regardless.

Mental illness
Mental illnesses are characterized by alterations in thinking, mood or behaviour associated with significant distress and impaired functioning. Examples of specific mental illnesses include: Mood disorders: major depression and bipolar disorder. Schizophrenia. Anxiety disorders. Personality disorders. Eating disorders.

You haven't been keeping up with the thread. I answered this question already...

So dviss, river, and Chris have different list?

Interesting. Well maybe not.

 

[dviss1]

So dviss, river, and Chris have different list?

Interesting. Well maybe not.

He just copied and pasted from the dictionary. You know, something YOU could've done but your too busy using the Gish gallop. Muddying up any debate that can be had by adding bullshit to it.

 

[Jade Falcon]

That you need why?

Do we live in a country of needs and requirements? Or a country that was founded on wants and desires?

I haven't met anyone yet who NEEDS a 650 hp Corvette Z06. And that kind of power can kill innocent people when it's abused.

But we don't stop people from owning them legally.

It's not your business, my neighbor's business, these kids business, or the government's business what law-abiding people purchase legally. I as a gun owner am NOT going to be intimidated by these immature clowns, and neither will millions of other gun owners in this country.

 

[riverman]

Now you guys want to remove the right to defend themselves

you aren't paying attention to the discussion....I'm of the opinion nobody needs an AR14 to defend themselves....I am not living in fear of attack..64 years guns in America have only been used against me as a civilian...never in rescue or defense....I doubt the majority of gun owners have ever saved a civilian life at home or stopped an armed criminal with their privately owned weapon....many though have killed with them...most times in suicide...it's the issue we're facing today..not armed insurrection, revolution, etc.....a peaceful school, church, concert, movie theater going country without the need for a gun to enjoy a night out. That you can't fathom this seems to be coming from your own rigid definitions of the use of arms in civilian America....I'm not including hunting weapons..I have said repeatedly that we don't need the type of weapons on the streets that we're seeing now...opinion....respect all of them and you'll actually have a conversation about it that doesn't involve defining those you talk with as polar opposites.

 

[dviss1]

Do we live in a country of needs and requirements? Or a country that was founded on wants and desires?

I haven't met anyone yet who NEEDS a 650 hp Corvette Z06. And that kind of power can kill innocent people when it's abused.

But we don't stop people from owning them legally.

It's not your business, my neighbor's business, these kids business, or the government's business what law-abiding people purchase legally. I as a gun owner am NOT going to be intimidated by these immature clowns, and neither will millions of other gun owners in this country.

But speed limits tho... Ruins your whole argument.

 

[dviss1]

Now you guys want to remove the right to defend themselves from all persons

This is a goddamn lie and you know it. Again with the Gish gallop.

 

[Jade Falcon]

But speed limits tho... Ruins your whole argument.

Those who run from the police and drive drunk.....do they obey speed limits?

Do mass shooters and armed robbers obey gun free zones and "no guns allowed" signs?

 

[dviss1]

It's not your business, my neighbor's business, these kids business, or the government's business what law-abiding people purchase legally. I as a gun owner am NOT going to be intimidated by these immature clowns, and neither will millions of other gun owners in this country.

No one's trying to intimidate you. That'd be pretty hard to do with your big gun and all... But answer this:

Why do we need licenses for cars? Why is are there speed limits? Why are there traffic safety control devices? Why do we have cops who arrest people for reckless driving and DUI?

 

[dviss1]

Those who run from the police and drive drunk.....do they obey speed limits?

Do mass shooters and armed robbers obey gun free zones and "no guns allowed" signs?

What happens when they do Jade?????

They're fucking arrested!! Jesus...

 

[dviss1]

Those who run from the police and drive drunk.....do they obey speed limits?

Do mass shooters and armed robbers obey gun free zones and "no guns allowed" signs?

When people murder do they obey the law against murder? No, but what happens to them?

 

[dviss1]

Those who run from the police and drive drunk.....do they obey speed limits?

Do mass shooters and armed robbers obey gun free zones and "no guns allowed" signs?

Bro, this is really a sorry ass argument. Really.

Why did North Carolina push for Bathroom laws? Why? Why do we have any laws?

 

[dviss1]

Should we abolish speed limits?

 

[Jade Falcon]

What happens when they do Jade?????

They're fucking arrested!! Jesus...

.....or they kill innocent people. Fucking A man.....I personally witnessed a double fatality that happened 50 feet from my doorstep 5 years ago because some stupid bitch got drunk and slammed her F150 into a light pole and tree at 75 mph. Ejected her passenger half way out the car, and crushed the driver inside the cab.

By your logic, am I supposed to blame the F150 she was driving? How about the beer? Or the bar she left?

Or.....how about I blame her and her stupid fucking choices?

Personal responsibility matters in this country. Law Abiding people shouldn't be punished for the actions of the few who use our own freedoms against us.

Terrorists don't keep me from going to the mall, using a plane, going to a concert, or walking in a public city. And likewise, criminals are not going to stop people from legally owning firearms that the Constitution SAYS they can have.

 

[MarAzul]

This is a goddamn lie

Is this an insult? Working hard there fella, you modify what I said and then call lie.
very low class.