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[dviss1]

I apologize if you feel I was mischaracterizing your stance. My, "if you feel it should be repealed" comment was not intended to be a statement of what I think you believe, and I'm sorry if it appeared to be so.

It's not you at all.

It's folks that act like they know the liberal stance and take it to the nth degree and say we want to repeal the 2nd amendment. If one starts at this BULLSHIT stance, instead of talking about what needs to be done, I'm left refuting imaginary CRAP. It's a Gish Gallop of the highest order, and frankly I'm sick of it.

Where do we go if one side starts with a false notion about what the other side wants?

 

[dviss1]

What do you think the word "BAN" means bro?

I want you to tell me why this is wrong:

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I want you to explain to me why that is wrong. If you can do that, then I'll start taking you seriously about the issue of firearms ownership. Ignore the fact that it's a meme, because the message in it is completely serious, and one that gun owners all across this country have to deal with on a daily basis.



Just curious: what do you think of Australia's firearm laws?

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That's Australia. I don't want that bullshit coming here, thank you.

Fake news. Your slippery slope argument is FUCKING TIRED....

Second, read the thread and look up Swiss Gun Laws.

In Switzerland every male 15-49 is REQUIRED to own a firearm.

I'M LIBERAL, AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT....

DOES THIS FUCKING COMPUTE OR NOT!?!

 

[dviss1]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Switzerland

 

[Jade Falcon]

It's not you at all.

It's folks that act like they know the liberal stance and take it to the nth degree and say we want to repeal the 2nd amendment. If one starts at this BULLSHIT stance, instead of talking about what needs to be done, I'm left refuting imaginary CRAP. It's a Gish Gallop of the highest order, and frankly I'm sick of it.

Where do we go if one side starts with a false notion about what the other side wants?

Okay.

And how often do Liberals listen to a Conservative's standpoint on the issue of firearms? Or even just gun owners?

I'm not even far-Right. I consider myself a Moderate. And I've never had ONE Liberal EVER listen to me about firearms or Firearm Laws. Not one. And I actually use documented facts from scholars to back up my assertions, from people like Massad Ayoob, Alan Korwin, and Dave Kopel. All of whom have actual experience in court and self-defense shootings to back up their findings and knowledge.

In fact, I'm actually reading this right now:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/de...ght-to-self-defense-massad-ayoob/1119045666#/

If you're not gonna take someone like Ayoob seriously about this issue, then who ARE you going to believe? A bunch of teenagers with no life experience?

Fake news. Your slippery slope argument is FUCKING TIRED....

Second, read the thread and look up Swiss Gun Laws.

In Switzerland every male 15-49 is REQUIRED to own a firearm.

I'M LIBERAL, AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT....

DOES THIS FUCKING COMPUTE OR NOT!?!

So you're not willing to actually debate the point of that meme. Don't get pissy about it....those are issues that we as gun owners have to deal with daily. If you don't like the narrative, then work with gun owners to change the narrative.

Unfortunately, politicians and billionaires from New York, Massachusetts, and Connecticut control the narrative right now. Fix that.

 

[Natebishop3]

Fake news. Your slippery slope argument is FUCKING TIRED....

Why can't you just debate the topic without turning to statements like this? I don't get it.

 

[MarAzul]

Fake news. Your slippery slope argument is FUCKING TIRED....

Second, read the thread and look up Swiss Gun Laws.

In Switzerland every male 15-49 is REQUIRED to own a firearm.

I'M LIBERAL, AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT....

DOES THIS FUCKING COMPUTE OR NOT!?!

Then write your amendment to replace the 2nd amendment.
Then we cans see what you mean.

 

[Lanny]

I am always very nice with honest, sincerer people.

Well then, how about show it?

 

[Lanny]

An AR-15 or AK-47 are NOT battle tanks though. Regardless of how much Liberals want to convince us otherwise.

Charles Whitman didn't use an "assault rifle" to kill people in Texas in 1966. He used a 6mm bolt-action Remington.

Neither did the Virginia Tech shooter Seung-Hui Cho. He used 2 pistols.

I can also think of two other mass shootings that were committed with nothing more than a pump-action shotgun.

And what is the Liberal response? "Expanded background checks".....whatever the fuck that means; they never tell you because they don't know themselves.........and magazine capacity restrictions.....you know, because it's harder for criminals to kill someone with 10 rounds in their pistol rather than 15......

Liberals are SO fucking stupid on the issue of firearms that it is appalling. The worst part about it is that they dupe the gullible and ignorant in this country, and they far outnumber the informed and educated.

What did the guy use in Vegas when he killed what? 57? How about at Sandy Hook where 20 little children and 6 adults? Bump stocks and assault type rifles ought to be banned. What are they good for? killing people.

 

[dviss1]

Why can't you just debate the topic without turning to statements like this? I don't get it.

Because that's ALWAYS the conservatives Fall back plan. It's tired.

And that's not the liberal stance @Jade Falcon. That's why I don't continuously refute it. I'm tired of refuting crap that's not true. You asked how often I speak to conservatives about their opinions: Every day nearly. My BEST FRIEND is pretty damn conservative (indendent) and his wife is a registered Republican. Plus I hear nothing but y'alls side everyday in here.

 

[MarAzul]

Well then, how about show it?

When I see honest sincerity.

 

[Lanny]

When I see honest sincerity.

Well, that's gonna be never.

 

[MarAzul]

Well, that's gonna be never.

Oh, there are more than you think. I enjoy their interest and participation.

 

[stampedehero]

The revolution is coming. It will be televised, and it will be the young people that lead it.

Let us see the logic here.

Kids under 21 lack the mental maturity to own weapons.
But we can have them protest with moral authority that having weapons should be eliminated as a right in the Constitution.

My goodness! This makes sense.

>Through five wars we had 18 year olds bear the brutality of human carnage. The punk Nickolas Cruz is just a disturbed asshole who couldn't keep his grimy hands off assault weapons and wanted to waste people.

 

[MarAzul]

The punk Nickolas Cruz is just a disturbed asshole who couldn't keep his grimy hands off assault weapons and wanted to waste people.

Bottom line! ^^^

 

[Jade Falcon]

What did the guy use in Vegas when he killed what? 57? How about at Sandy Hook where 20 little children and 6 adults? Bump stocks and assault type rifles ought to be banned. What are they good for? killing people.

"Assault" is an action, not a weapon. A weapon is incapable of action without the control of a person.

ALL guns are good for killing people. But according to @dviss1, Liberals don't want to ban guns.....

I guess if they look scary, then it's fine to ban them.

Ruger AR-556, bad......

But Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifles are okay.....

Get outta my face with that bullshit.

 

[riverman]

"Assault" is an action, not a weapon.

assault is both a verb and an adjective....

 

[riverman]

Get outta my face with that bullshit.

this is not what you want at all or you wouldn't be posting here ...soldier of fortune has an online site you'd find a lot of like minded folks there who love those bullet spraying dildos

 

[Jade Falcon]

assault is both a verb and an adjective....

No it's not. It's a noun and a verb.

https://www.google.com/search?q=assault&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1

this is not what you want at all or you wouldn't be posting here ...soldier of fortune has an online site you'd find a lot of like minded folks there who love those bullet spraying dildos

Crap like this is the reason why nobody listens to Leftists. Congratulations. Can't imagine why no respectable gun owner wants to listen to the Left......

That you were in the military is absolutely baffling to me river. Absolutely baffling.

 

[CupWizier]

No it's not. It's a noun and a verb.

https://www.google.com/search?q=assault&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1



Crap like this is the reason why nobody listens to Leftists. Congratulations. Can't imagine why no respectable gun owner wants to listen to the Left......

That you were in the military is absolutely baffling to me river. Absolutely baffling.

Ya cause the other side is soooo much better? What a joke. Explain to me why people need military assault rifles and bullets that can penetrate armor as well as magazines that can fire multiple shots in a matter of seconds?

 

[Jade Falcon]

Ya cause the other side is soooo much better? What a joke. Explain to me why people need military assault rifles and bullets that can penetrate armor as well as magazines that can fire multiple shots in a matter of seconds?

None of that is true, nor does it have any basis in reality.

-The AR-15 is not used by the military.

-An AR-15 does not shoot any faster than a semi-automatic pistol of any caliber. Unless you want to now classify FINGERS as deadly weapons?

-Any rifle bullet can penetrate Level III ballistic vests because velocity defeats armor. It is not limited to the 5.56 Nato round. Any hunting rifle that is chambered in a rifle caliber can fire a FMJ (full metal jacket) bullet that is capable of penetrating ballistic vests.

-Assault is an action, not a weapon. As I already explained.

 

[dviss1]

"Assault" is an action, not a weapon. A weapon is incapable of action without the control of a person.

ALL guns are good for killing people. But according to @dviss1, Liberals don't want to ban guns.....

I guess if they look scary, then it's fine to ban them.

Ruger AR-556, bad......

But Ruger Mini-14 Ranch Rifles are okay.....

Get outta my face with that bullshit.

You use a lot of right wing talking points.

Bottom line, we're putting higher speed limits and brighter stop signs out. Prepare.

Instead of preparing for an imaginary war with our government.

 

[dviss1]

Bottom line! ^^^

You like this but don't want to do one thing to PREVENT those people from getting guns.

You're a fence rider who really has already chosen which side you're on.

 

[dviss1]

No it's not. It's a noun and a verb.

https://www.google.com/search?q=assault&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-1



Crap like this is the reason why nobody listens to Leftists. Congratulations. Can't imagine why no respectable gun owner wants to listen to the Left......

That you were in the military is absolutely baffling to me river. Absolutely baffling.

Hilarious. EVERYONE including your president is listening.

 

[Jade Falcon]

You use a lot of right wing talking points.

Bottom line, we're putting higher speed limits and brighter stop signs out. Prepare.

Instead of preparing for an imaginary war with our government.

You mean I use RATIONAL talking points, based on FACTS and verified information from scholars, rather than emotion from Leftists who have A) never fired a gun, B) never owned a gun, and C) never bought a gun. Or emotional teenagers with no life experience who are being used by the media; a media with an agenda.

If that means I use "Right Wing talking points", then I can live with that, lmao.

So go ahead....put up all the "brighter stop signs" you want. No doubt criminals will obey those just as much as law abiding people do.

I mean, you know....murder is already illegal, and that stops criminals from killing people all the time......

Hilarious. EVERYONE including your president is listening.

Oh, I see.....you're starting to trust Donald Trump now.

I never thought I would see the day, Dviss. This is a big step for you; congratulations.

 

[riverman]

No it's not. It's a noun and a verb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
weapon is the noun here...assault is the type of weapon or adjective....what kind of weapon....assault weapon....semi automatic weapon works the same way...semi automatic describing the noun....now that we've cleared that up....

 

[Jade Falcon]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assault_weapon
weapon is the noun here...assault is the type of weapon or adjective....what kind of weapon....assault weapon....semi automatic weapon works the same way...semi automatic describing the noun....now that we've cleared that up....

So my Glock is an "Assault Pistol". And my Ruger .357 Magnum is an "Assault Pistol" too.

I see.....

 

[Jade Falcon]

Oh, and I have a semi-auto .22 from Marlin. I guess that's an "Assault Rifle" too.

 

[riverman]

That you were in the military is absolutely baffling to me river. Absolutely baffling.

If you'd ever actually survived a war and seen what it really is...you wouldn't be so baffled by the lack of fascination with guns...I don't like fireworks either ...or helicopters....I have 2 guns used for rural emergencies.....cougar, etc...I contend nobody needs these AR15s you seem to like...I've had guns pointed at me in reality....I survived...without killing someone to survive...you could too...it's my main talking point about civilian uses of weapons. I don't want to kill anything...ever except for food or pesky mosquitos

 

[riverman]

Oh, and I have a semi-auto .22 from Marlin. I guess that's an "Assault Rifle" too.

and fact...non of your arsenal has done shit to make anybody safe...admit it...it's just another form of adrenaline

 

[Jade Falcon]

If you'd ever actually survived a war and seen what it really is...you wouldn't be so baffled by the lack of fascination with guns...I don't like fireworks either ...or helicopters....I have 2 guns used for rural emergencies.....cougar, etc...I contend nobody needs these AR15s you seem to like...I've had guns pointed at me in reality....I survived...without killing someone to survive...you could too...it's my main talking point about civilian uses of weapons. I don't want to kill anything...ever except for food or pesky mosquitos

Fair enough. What I COULD do, however, is MY business, and not anyone else's. And sure as hell not the business of any politician.

I've carried a gun since I was 21. I carried one when I worked in security. I have a hard time believing you'd want to be unarmed after having been some of the places in Portland at 2 in the morning that I have.

It's MY choice not to be a victim. You do what you want.

and fact...non of your arsenal has done shit to make anybody safe...admit it...it's just another form of adrenaline

Or maybe.....just maybe......I enjoy shooting as a form of recreational activity with other safe, like minded people, and I enjoy knowing that I am exercising my Constitutional Right to bear firearms, as I believe any safe, responsible American should.

If I want an adrenaline rush, I'll go join a 3-gun competition. Or make a trek to Knob Creek, Kentucky.

If I just want to be safe, I'll carry my Glock.

That's the great thing about America. For as long as it lasts.