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Just out of curiosity, how long does it take to draft Articles of Impeachment and initiate the process? I didn't live through the Nixon debacle but I believe it took a couple of years, didn't it?
 
Just out of curiosity, how long does it take to draft Articles of Impeachment and initiate the process? I didn't live through the Nixon debacle but I believe it took a couple of years, didn't it?

The decision-to-do-it part takes awhile (probably forever, if Ryan keeps his job). The actual drafting shouldn't need more than few days.

barfo
 
I guess you Trumpettes are pretty pissed at Trey Gowdy right now, huh? The hero of Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi has let your team down.

Keep in mind that Gowdy is the one Republican that actually read the FISA warrant:



barfo

No.
 
Just out of curiosity, how long does it take to draft Articles of Impeachment and initiate the process? I didn't live through the Nixon debacle but I believe it took a couple of years, didn't it?

The long part is getting the leadership in the House to agree to do it. Ain't going to happen.
Then it's pointless unless the Senate can agree to convict. Ain't going to happen.
 
If they did it with the evidence they have now, which is none. That would be difficult to explain to all the people that elected Trump.
The same people they need to elect them next time around. Not many would risk it.
I am sure Maxine Waters would, perhaps a few more that feel safe.
 
If they did it with the evidence they have now, which is none. That would be difficult to explain to all the people that elected Trump.
The same people they need to elect them next time around. Not many would risk it.
I am sure Maxine Waters would, perhaps a few more that feel safe.

This is a rare point where I agree with you. Trump is safe from impeachment proceedings until/unless Mueller issues his report, and also until/unless the Republicans no longer control the House.

barfo
 
by Kristina Wong18 Jan 20183

“It’s troubling. It is shocking,” Rep. Mark Meadows (R-NC) told Fox News. “Part of me wishes that I didn’t read it because I don’t want to believe that those kinds of things could be happening in this country that I call home and love so much.”

“The facts contained in this memo are jaw-dropping and demand full transparency. There is no higher priority than the release of this information to preserve our democracy,” said Rep. Matt Gaetz (R-FL), a member of the Judiciary Committee, which oversees the DOJ and the FBI.

Another Judiciary Committee member, Rep. Steve King (R-IA), called what he saw in the memo “sickening” and said it was “worse than Watergate.”

Rep. Ron DeSantis (R-FL), another Judiciary Committee member, called the memo “deeply troubling” and said it raises questions about the “Obama DOJ and Comey FBI.”

“You think about, ‘is this happening in America or is this the KGB?’ That’s how alarming it is,” Rep. Scott Perry (R-VA) told Fox News.

It is so alarming the American people have to see this,” Rep. Jim Jordan (R-OH), a senior member of the Judiciary Committee, also said to network.

According to Gaetz, the memo’s contents could lead to the firing — and perhaps even jailing — of senior DOJ and FBI officials.

“I think that this will not end just with firings. I believe there are people who will go to jail,” he said on Fox News’ Hannity.

“I think there will be criminal implications here,” Gaetz added.

That all seemed hysterical at the time, and indeed, it turned out to be.

barfo
 


Whoever told him #6 was a good choice should be taken behind the barber shop and dunked in the blue liquid they used to clean the combs.
 
Some of the accusations in the memo are actual crimes.

It is perjury, for example, to omit relevant information in the FISA application. That it was paid for by Democrats. That the author was out to get Trump. That it was not verified.

Without using the dossier, the odds of getting the FISA warrant were 50-50, or so I've read. That's something, when the odds of getting FISA warrants is over 99%, historically.

Comey lied under oath in testimony before congress. He was directly asked if he had come to his conclusion not to prosecute the criminal democratic candidate before interviewing her and he said, "no." There is a lot of evidence in the public record that he wrote his decision before she was interviewed. Rather obvious outright proof of perjury.
 
Some of the accusations in the memo are actual crimes.

It is perjury, for example, to omit relevant information in the FISA application. That it was paid for by Democrats. That the author was out to get Trump. That it was not verified.

Without using the dossier, the odds of getting the FISA warrant were 50-50, or so I've read. That's something, when the odds of getting FISA warrants is over 99%, historically.

Comey lied under oath in testimony before congress. He was directly asked if he had come to his conclusion not to prosecute the criminal democratic candidate before interviewing her and he said, "no." There is a lot of evidence in the public record that he wrote his decision before she was interviewed. Rather obvious outright proof of perjury.
Can Mueller indict the person that hired him to do the investigation?
 
Can Mueller indict the person that hired him to do the investigation?

Sure. And if that person that hired him then fires him, there'd be hell to pay.

The sensible solution would be a 2nd Special Counsel who doesn't report to anyone he's investigating.
 
Sure. And if that person that hired him then fires him, there'd be hell to pay.

The sensible solution would be a 2nd Special Counsel who doesn't report to anyone he's investigating.
How about 50 special counsels. Let's go overboard.
 
Some of the accusations in the memo are actual crimes.

It is perjury, for example, to omit relevant information in the FISA application. That it was paid for by Democrats. That the author was out to get Trump. That it was not verified.

Without using the dossier, the odds of getting the FISA warrant were 50-50, or so I've read. That's something, when the odds of getting FISA warrants is over 99%, historically.

Comey lied under oath in testimony before congress. He was directly asked if he had come to his conclusion not to prosecute the criminal democratic candidate before interviewing her and he said, "no." There is a lot of evidence in the public record that he wrote his decision before she was interviewed. Rather obvious outright proof of perjury.

Then-FBI Director James Comey said in a congressional testimony after Trump’s tweets that neither his agency nor the Justice Department had evidence to support the president’s allegations. In a court filing in early September 2017, Trump’s own Justice Department and the FBI again said they did not have evidence to support Trump’s claims."


It seems to me that Comey lied to Congress in the above reference. Hell he signed one of the Fisa documents. Whether it is a bogus request or not,
he knew about it. Trump's people were wiretapped and he signed the damn request to get it done. I think Rosenstein is in the same club.
 
Schiff is truly a clown.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018...ads-promote-2nd-amendment-so-we-all-kill-each

Schiff's Latest Bizarre Claim: Russian Ads Promote 2nd Amendment "So We All Kill Each Other"
The Second Amendment (Amendment II) to the United States Constitution protects the right of the people to keep and bear arms... and,as The Duran's Alex Christoforou writes,according to California Congressman Adam Schiff, those pesky Russians are using bots to promote the second amendment with an ultimate goal of having Americans ‘kill each other.’

Once again, another brilliant plan hatched by Putin... good thing Schiff caught on to it and can now begin seizing American’s guns so as to thwart Russia’s evil plan.

On Thursday Democrat Schiff spoke to a crowd at the University of Pennsylvania, where the TDS –‘Russia hysteria virus’ infected Schiff told the crowd Russian ads promoted the Second Amendment during the 2016 election “so we will kill each other.”

Rep. Adam Schiff (D-CA) said Thursday that Russia promoted content that supported the Second Amendment on social media during the 2016 election because they wanted Americans to kill one another.

“You had the content that was clearly anti-Hillary, and you had the content that was very pro-Trump.But even the bigger quantity of content that was being pushed through social media was just content designed to pit us against each other,” Schiff said while speaking at the University of Pennsylvania.

Which is false!

Facebook executive Colin Stretch told the US Senate Judiciary Committee in November that the total number of those illegitimate ads are a drop in the ocean — less than 0.004 percent of all content — or about 1 in 23,000 news feed items.

Russia didn’t flip the election.

 
Aw come on Denny! That's not fair! Schiff reaches around much like Sly.

I don't swing that way.

And I am both honored and disturbed that you're having fantasies like that about me.

Whatever keeps the mast waxed.
 
Devin Nunes tried to discredit the FBI. Instead, he proved it’s onto something.

The point of the memo written by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes (R-Calif.) and released Friday afternoon was supposed to be to expose corruption at the highest levels of the FBI. But what the memo actually did — albeit surely not intentionally — was exactly the opposite. In a brief 3½ pages, Nunes managed to confirm that the investigation into the Trump campaign’s possible ties with Russia has a very solid basis and that special counsel Robert S. Mueller III must keep looking into the case.

As a former special agent for the FBI working on counterintelligence, I used to obtain Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act warrants, so I’m familiar with the procedures Nunes implies the FBI abused in this case. To initiate surveillance on former Trump foreign policy adviser Carter Page in October 2016, the government would have had to demonstrate that Page was “knowingly engaging in clandestine intelligence gathering activities for or on behalf of” Russia. Importantly, the “knowingly” requirement applies only to “U.S. persons” such as Page, not to foreign nationals — which means the government had a slightly higher burden in his case. It takes months and even years to obtain enough relevant evidence for a FISA application, which can include details from physical surveillance, phone and financial records, items recovered from the target’s trash and intelligence obtained from other sources. So the FISA application would probably have outlined the bureau’s efforts going all the way back to 2013, when Page was approached by the FBI, which warned him, based on recordings of Russian intelligence officers, that he was being targeted for recruitment as a Russian spy. (That same year, Page also reportedly wrote in a letter to an academic publisher that he was an “informal advisor to the staff of the Kremlin.”) In counterintelligence investigations, this kind of interview would have been intended to “neutralize” the Russians: The idea is that anyone who was being unwittingly developed as a spy, as Page appeared to be, would be dismayed to realize what was happening and would immediately cease further contact with their intelligence contacts.

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That means that three years before the FISA surveillance on him began, Page was on notice regarding exactly whom and what he was dealing with when it came to the Russians. For the FBI to get a warrant to listen to his communications later, the bureau would have had evidence that Page remained in contact with individuals he knew were affiliated with Russian intelligence. And the FBI would have had to demonstrate to the FISA court that Page was engaging in behavior that appeared to be facilitating

Russia’s intelligence activities. (Those could include things such as frequent and potentially secret meetings with Russian intelligence officers; utilizing tradecraft like communicating in code; or accepting payments from known intelligence sources.) This time period, of course, covered his participation in the Trump campaign: Trump identified Page as an adviser in March 2016 in an interview with The Washington Post, although he had left the campaign in September 2016 following news reports of his connections in Russia. (This means the FBI did not intercept his communications until a month after he stopped working for Trump.) The three years after the bureau first warned Page would have been plenty of time for Russian intelligence to develop him as an intelligence asset and to capitalize on his assessed vulnerabilities, which included his desire to make money and move up professionally.

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Nunes’s memo also discloses that the government obtained three renewals of the FISA warrant, which occurred every 90 days after the initial authorization. In order for a judge to allow the surveillance to continue, the government has to demonstrate that the intercepted communications are, in fact, providing foreign intelligence. In Page’s case, the order would have been initially authorized based on the premise that monitoring his communications was necessary to understand what, exactly, Russian intelligence was doing and how Page played a role in those activities. If, 90 days later, the government had not obtained any new information about Page’s contacts and activities and the surveillance had ceased, that would show that Page probably was not working as a spy and that the evidence that had seemed to point in that direction was wrong. Instead, the continued renewals underscore that the government was able to persuade the court that Page continued his contacts and activities.

If Nunes was trying to cast doubt on the basis and motives for the FBI’s interest in Page and in his campaign, he failed miserably. Far from demonstrating that the FBI was out to get Trump, the memo suggests that the Trump campaign could have had an active Russian spy working as a foreign policy adviser. Nunes suggests that the FISA applications were flawed because they included some information supplied by former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele, who was hired by an opposition-research firm funded by the Clinton campaign. But as a matter of law, that shouldn’t have made a difference to the court, especially if the affidavit had plenty of other supporting evidence of Page’s activities. Notably, the memo doesn’t even attempt to argue that Page did not, in fact, have ties to Russia.

Even worse for Nunes, he managed to showcase concrete proof that the FBI was looking into Trump’s Russian connections before they heard from Steele. The memo confirms that Australian intelligence was aware of possible ties between George Papadopoulos, another Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, and Russian intelligence, and that the Australians were alarmed enough to alert the FBI, which opened an investigation in July 2016.

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Papadopoulos, of course, pleaded guilty in October to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russia and has been cooperating with Mueller’s investigation. So has former national security adviser Michael Flynn. Trump’s former campaign manager, Paul Manafort, has been charged with failing to register as a foreign agent for Ukraine even though his firm was paid $17.1 million by a Ukrainian political party with ties to Russia. And then there are all the multiple approaches made by individuals connected to Russian intelligence to Donald Trump Jr., Jared Kushner and Jeff Sessions. Every one of them has lied when asked about their Russian contacts.

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So what the memo reveals about Page is cause enough for concern. And in the context of everything else we know so far, it is downright alarming.

Whether there was ultimately any collusion between Russia and individual members of the Trump campaign, there can be no doubt after the memo that the government had good reason to investigate Russian attempts to place and recruit assets there. Any American who cares about protecting our elections and democratic processes from foreign interference should want no stone uncovered in exposing how successful Russia was in its efforts. Nunes may have thought he was proving the FBI was out to get Trump. Instead, he proved the FBI was right to worry.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ed-its-onto-something/?utm_term=.e5262c93c1d2
 
I don't swing that way.

And I am both honored and disturbed that you're having fantasies like that about me.

Whatever keeps the mast waxed.

See!
Reaching for the wrong thing again just like Schiff. 2nd amendment, Russians? :blush:
 
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See!
Reaching for the wrong thing again just like Nunes. 2nd amendment, Russians? :blush:
I think you mean 'just like Schiff'. But I will agree with you here, both of them are reaching.
 
Sort of like you're a libertarian but will post GOP talking points for years on end

I post "not DNC talking points."

If I posted RNC talking points, I'd be attacking Mueller and his investigation. I've never done anything like that. I don't post that this memo exonerates Trump, either.

Go figure.
 
He's a "conservative" but he'll post DNC talking points all day long.
As he posts opinions often even held by the Green Party ......see how this works....you and I are anti opposing parties...difference I think is I own not being objective about this administration...for my own concerns. You have a similar anti dem thing ...hardly neutral
 

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