Renouncing rights to Petteri and Freeland

Welcome to our community

Be a part of something great, join today!

Register Log in
RickyRubio

RickyRubio

He Hate Me
Joined
May 27, 2009
Messages
892
Likes
3
Points
18
This was also on Courtside last night. Didn't anyone watch? I didn't see any threads about this.

I am kind of disappointed. I thought both of those guys had a lot of potential. But I guess this is a sign that KP is done with being young. This also saves us a couple mil in cap space.

Thoughts?
 
It opens up 1.6 mil in cap space. Freeland is about to sign a langthy extension, and Koponen sucked in a slightly better league than the Finland league last season.

Blake, Sergio and Bayless are all better than Koponen right now, and Freeland's contribution coul dbe replaced with S Randolph pretty easily.

To me this will be a no brainer when it actually happens.
 
I was never impressed with Koponen and I to think the 3 we have now are better, so no way he ever fits in. I was actually looking forward to seeing what Freeland could do, but I guess the time has come to cut ties.

No big loss however and if it frees up money we can use for better pieces, its all good.
 
Any reason why KP would let them go now instead of letting them sit and develop more like he does with all our other foreigners? There has got to be a deal going down this year, right? Why else would he need that money right now?
 
Do I remember right that both the Koponen and the Freeland picks were bought for about 1-3 million? If so, talk about throwing money out the window!

I hope they could at least get a future late first round pick for them!
 
RickyRubio said:
This was also on Courtside last night. Didn't anyone watch? I didn't see any threads about this.

I am kind of disappointed. I thought both of those guys had a lot of potential. But I guess this is a sign that KP is done with being young. This also saves us a couple mil in cap space.

Thoughts?
Click to expand...


Potential for what? Sit on the bench and play 20-30 seconds in blowout wins or losses? There isn't a place on the team for them except to practice.
 
axs88 said:
Do I remember right that both the Koponen and the Freeland picks were bought for about 1-3 million? If so, talk about throwing money out the window!

I hope they could at least get a future late first round pick for them!
Click to expand...

We get the money back, apparently. Which brings the question, why doesn't Orlando do this with their rights to Fran Vasquez?
 
alex42083 said:
http://www.sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?t=142570
Click to expand...

[Deleted.] Here is your forum police badge. Wear it proud.

WolfireForumPolice.png
 
Last edited by a moderator:
RickyRubio said:
[Deleted.] Here is your forum police badge. Wear it proud.
Click to expand...

What is your problem? You asked if there were other threads about it. I answered your question, and you just go out and call people names?
I didn't mean to insult you or anything.

RickyRubio said:
Didn't anyone watch? I didn't see any threads about this.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited by a moderator:
Hard to believe that they would be waived, when thier rights could be dealt away as part of a trade or for current or future draft picks....I would think cutting them loose would only be as a last option....
 
Last edited:
RickyRubio said:
Why does Mike Rice say we do? Just curious.
Click to expand...

Their rookie scale figures count against our cap number again as of July 1st, and continue to do so until the season begins. Waiving their rights doesn't get us any money back, but it does free up additional cap space that would otherwise not be available.
 
Blaze01 said:
Hard to believe that they would be waived, when thier rights could be dealt away as part of a trade or for current or future draft picks....I would think cutting them loose would only be as a last option....
Click to expand...

I agree... unless the team is attempting to stretch every last dollar of potential salary cap space... what would be the benefit?

Freeland, in particular, has progressed nicely since the Blazers drafted him, and both players are still extremely young (21 for Koponen, 22 for Freeland). Keeping them overseas and letting them mature for a few more years makes sense.

Renouncing their rights wouldn't make much sense to me unless the team needs more cap space and/or they are trying to play in the NBA next year and the team doesn't think they're ready/doesn't want to guarantee money/doesn't have a roster spot.

Ed O.
 
RickyRubio said:
We get the money back, apparently. Which brings the question, why doesn't Orlando do this with their rights to Fran Vasquez?
Click to expand...


I could be wrong, but I think after next season they can sign him to a contract not limited by the rookie scale. That way his buyout (I assume he has one) isn't greater than his salary in the NBA.
 
Blaze01 said:
Hard to believe that they would be waived, when thier rights could be dealt away as part of a trade or for current or future draft picks....I would think cutting them loose would only be as a last option....
Click to expand...

If they're renounced it's because their value in additional cap space is greater than their value to the team or in trade value.
 
Last edited:
Ed O said:
I agree... unless the team is attempting to stretch every last dollar of potential salary cap space... what would be the benefit?

Freeland, in particular, has progressed nicely since the Blazers drafted him, and both players are still extremely young (21 for Koponen, 22 for Freeland). Keeping them overseas and letting them mature for a few more years makes sense.

Renouncing their rights wouldn't make much sense to me unless the team needs more cap space and/or they are trying to play in the NBA next year and the team doesn't think they're ready/doesn't want to guarantee money/doesn't have a roster spot.

Ed O.
Click to expand...


Assuming the story is accurate, it does seem a bit of a puzzle.

I am not too surprised they would drop Koponen. As I understand it, he has shown very little despite playing in a weak league. For Freeland, I would guess it has as much to do with timing as with money. The team would probably like at least one more year in Europe to evaluate him - and he is trying to force their hand.

As I understand it, once an NBA team drafts a player, they can't force him to stay in Europe. The player can put them in a position of "sign me or renounce my rights." Of course, that implies the team is so unimpressed with Freeland that they would rather drop him than give him Ruffin or Randolph's roster spot! :dunno:
 
oldmangrouch said:
Assuming the story is accurate, it does seem a bit of a puzzle.

I am not too surprised they would drop Koponen. As I understand it, he has shown very little despite playing in a weak league.
Click to expand...

You mean, like projected top 10 pick Brandon Jennings?

Actually Koponen is playing for Virtus Bologna, one of the powerhouse clubs of Europe (notable past players include Michael Ray Richardson, Nesterovic, Danilovic, Jaric and Manu Ginobili). He's a rookie with them, and they tend to get treated like shit (as Jennings discovered). The coach wants to play Earl Boykins at the point so Koponen had to make do with scrap minutes, or starting at SG. His Finnish coach is mad that the Italian coach is misusing him, but one thing that has happened is that he's become something of a defensive stopper. When his club won the "Fiba Eurochallenge" he was credited with doing a lockdown job on Nando de Colo here he is, lying to the left of the picture:

%7BD27B55FD-F6AC-442C-B475-D6807E7E7290%7Dlarge_h.jpg


Why are we taking Mike Rice's word on this? Is he reliable?
 
Locking him down to the tune of 24 points(leading scorer of the game), on 9-13 shooting? In a whopping 16 minutes?
 
sorry, shoudl have clarified it was Petteri who only played the 16 minutes, not Nando
 
Good, now people will stop talking about them as if they'll ever be more than a Sergio Rodriguez type player in the NBA.
 
RR7 said:
Locking him down to the tune of 24 points(leading scorer of the game), on 9-13 shooting? In a whopping 16 minutes?
Click to expand...

He wasn't guarding him the whole time:

Finnish point guard Petteri Koponen (6-4, 1988), whose NBA rights are currently owned by the Portland Trailblazers, performed very well in limited minutes. After logging his first DNP-CD since early October in semi-final, Koponen responded with a determined effort in both ends of the court in the final.

Koponen entered the game in the middle of second quarter, with Virtus Bologna leading 35-27. He immediately drained a three pointer and dished the ball to Sharrod Ford for a dunk. After returning to bench in the start of the second half, Koponen returned to the game in the middle of third quarter. During Koponen's 11-minute stint on the court, Bologna extended its lead from 54-46 to 74-61. Nando De Colo scored five points during the 14 minutes Koponen was guarding him.

After Koponen headed to bench for good, Cholet Basket was able to make a late 12-3 run lead by De Colo, who scored 8 of Cholet's 12 points during that period. De Colo's jump shot brought Cholet within one point with 31 seconds remaining, and Virtus' Keith Langford was able to make one of his free throws with just 22 seconds to play. Cholet had the last possession and the ball was delivered to De Colo, who missed a contested jump shot with clock ticking down.
Click to expand...
 
One other thought on this: both Koponen and Freeland were taken with picks that KP bought outright with Allen's money. That's $3M each. And they just waive them without even bringing them over? I don't see it.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top