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oldmangrouch said:
So, it is OK for joe average citizen to be prescribed steroids or HGH - but if an athlete uses them, that's "cheating."

Balderdash. Steroids aren't some magical potion that turn a normal person into the incredible Hulk. If the primary benefit of steroids is to speed recovery from injury - what is the problem with that?
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Because kids emulate their heroes and idols. Steroids in high school sports is already a big enough problem. If professional athletes were allowed to take them it would cause kids to gulp them down. Imagine what would have happened to Zimmerman if Trayvon would have also been experiencing roid rage.
 
Denny Crane said:
Just to be clear, I'm not suggesting that cheating be allowed. I question that there is a rule against being the best athlete one can be.

People smoke, knowing the odds are it is shortening their lives or will make their quality of life not so good later on. If these PEDs somehow shorten an athlete's life, it seems to me he should have the choice.
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Is it a choice? You come from a low income environment where sports is your best chance out. If roid are legal, kids and young adults will be injecting day and night.

Why not legalize heroin or cocaine . . . if it shortens their life, they made the choice.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Not if the long term use of the PEDs leads to health complications later in life.
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Long-terms cortisone shots lead to complications later in life. So does surgery removing cartilage and injecting blood to be "fake" cartilage.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Because kids emulate their heroes and idols. Steroids in high school sports is already a big enough problem. If professional athletes were allowed to take them it would cause kids to gulp them down. Imagine what would have happened to Zimmerman if Trayvon would have also been experiencing roid rage.
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What the fuck?
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Is it a choice? You come from a low income environment where sports is your best chance out. If roid are legal, kids and young adults will be injecting day and night.

Why not legalize heroin or cocaine . . . if it shortens their life, they made the choice.
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in a low income environment, high income environment, ANY environment, pro sports is never the best chance out. That's ridiculous.
 
RR7 said:
in a low income environment, high income environment, ANY environment, pro sports is never the best chance out. That's ridiculous.
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OK, in context, we were talking about athletically gifted kids who have the potential to play at college and pro level . . . if they can improve their game by taking drugs and that gives them that more of a chance to reach the next level . . . I just don't see it as much of a choice for most for those kids, especially if you come from a low income environment
 
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RR7 said:
in a low income environment, high income environment, ANY environment, pro sports is never the best chance out. That's ridiculous.
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In some low income environments, a college athletic scholarship may be the best chance out, though.
 
Denny Crane said:
Why shouldn't the players be allowed to use PEDs?
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And why should people go to prison, ruining their lives? Why must we live in a police state to prevent people from doing what they want?
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
OK, in context, we were talking about athletically gifted kids who have the potential to play at college and pro level . . . if they can improve their game by taking drugs and that gives them that more of a chance to reach the next level . . . I just don't see it as much of a choice for most for those kids, especially if you come from a low income environment
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Yet plenty make it without doing it, and still would. If some think it'll give them an advantage, fine, go for it. They aren't forced to. And, even if the argument is that if it's allowed, you'd almost have to to succeed, it isn't like professional sports is their only option in life, where it's take these drugs, or you're screwed.
But, if they choose to take them, great. Many kids choose to do many things that likely aren't good for them. Binge drnk, drugs, smoke, poor sleep habits, etc. Hell, you can argue that all of the hours wasted playing basketball, training, practicing, playing, traveling and what not is detrimental to their long term ability to succeed in something a lot more likely and reasoable. Thy can choose to spend those hours studying a subject they have a much higher likelihood of becoming a pro in.
 
ABM said:
Not everyone wants to put drugs into their body. The one's that do would then have an unfair advantage. Hence, the playing field would be uneven.
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Not everyone wants to have experimental medical procedures or exercises either.

And they already do put a ton of drugs in their bodies, so I don't really get your point.
 
If you could take a pill that would make you 15 years younger physically (or put you at a point slightly higher than your physical peak years) but it would take five years off your life, would you do it?

I would seriously consider it, but probably not.
 
The clinic's in Florida, right? Gotta be Turkoglu -


Hedo Turkoglu of Magic suspended for steroid use

On Wednesday, the NBA announced that Orlando Magic forward Hedo Turkoglu has been suspended for 20 games after testing positive for a banned substance.

The 33-year-old tested positive for the anabolic steroid methenolone, which he took during the offseason in Turkey while recovering from a shoulder injury. Turkoglu described the substance he took as a pill to relieve pain in his shoulder.

Turkoglu failed the drug test in December and learned that he tested positive one week ago. He insisted that he has never taken any substances to improve his performance, only to relieve pain and speed up the recovery process.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...do-magic-hedo-turkoglu-nba-suspended/1917161/
 
PapaG said:
Literally, because it's against the rules. Don't like the rules? Well, they're the rules.
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Kids, this is your fascist mind when you haven't sampled acid.

This message brought to you by the National Stop Putting Everyone Into Prison Association.
 
LBJ? Dwight? Jameer Nelson and Hedo have been linked, haven't they? Wade?
 
jlprk said:
Kids, this is your fascist mind when you haven't sampled acid.

This message brought to you by the National Stop Putting Everyone Into Prison Association.
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That's just a stupid post. I agree that the rules are stupid, but they are the rules of the professional leagues. I was being literal, but you probably forgot what that means.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
If you could take a pill that would make you 15 years younger physically (or put you at a point slightly higher than your physical peak years) but it would take five years off your life, would you do it?

I would seriously consider it, but probably not.
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Of course I would take it. Live for the present, with a plan for the future. I'm not looking 10 years down the road. I'm having fun living every day. I ate the Benny at Fat City this morning. Why? Because it tastes good! If it means a bit more exercise, oh well, because it feels good to work out today!
 
PapaG said:
Of course I would take it. Live for the present, with a plan for the future. I'm not looking 10 years down the road. I'm having fun living every day. I ate the Benny at Fat City this morning. Why? Because it tastes good! If it means a bit more exercise, oh well, because it feels good to work out today!
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I'm surprised you would take it given you are a family man and all. What about 5 more years to watch your grandchildren grow?

Not some dig on you or attack on your personal life . . . just discussing.
 
This thread pretends it's a theoretical debate over moral rules.

It's a war over who will, after years in prison, live under a bridge because he's unemployable.

If there were no Congressional blowhards making it illegal with long sentences, and manipulating players into perjury, then this thread's lighthearted debate would be relevant.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
I'm surprised you would take it given you are a family man and all. What about 5 more years to watch your grandchildren grow?

Not some dig on you or attack on your personal life . . . just discussing.
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I don't believe you can effectively plan for the future. If you mean 'literally' five years, like terminal cancer would be five years later, or a car crash, then sure, I'd take it. If you mean that you'd live five more years theoretically, which seems to be the case with PEDs, then I'd probably take the PEDs and make the money. Maybe we're crossing wires on what you actually meant? I wouldn't literally give up 5 years of a finite death at this point, I don't think. Unless I was told I'd live until 93, like my grandpa, and could be 15 years younger until age 88, when I'd die. I think I'd take the younger years as opposed to being put into a nursing home, like we had to do with my Grandpa.
 
jlprk said:
This thread pretends it's a theoretical debate over moral rules.

It's a war over who will, after years in prison, live under a bridge because he's unemployable.

If there were no Congressional blowhards making it illegal with long sentences, and manipulating players into perjury, then this thread's lighthearted debate would be relevant.
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That doesn't make any sense at all.
 
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