Report: Unnamed NBA players linked to Biogenesis clinic scandal

[NOVoodoo]

I pray it's not LeBron. When Hedo Turkoglu gets busted for PED's, it's sort of comical, but if LeBron got busted, that would seriously endanger the league's image, for right or wrong.

As much as I dislike LeBron, in the greater scheme of things, LeBron, or any other star for that matter, getting busted for PED's would be an insurmountable black eye for the league.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

Gotta be Oden.

 

[dviss1]

Because kids emulate their heroes and idols. Steroids in high school sports is already a big enough problem. If professional athletes were allowed to take them it would cause kids to gulp them down. Imagine what would have happened to Zimmerman if Trayvon would have also been experiencing roid rage.

Still too soon Sly...

 

[PHXBlazer1]

Lebron and A-Rod poke each other in the butt!! :MARIS61:

 

[Denny Crane]

Is it a choice? You come from a low income environment where sports is your best chance out. If roid are legal, kids and young adults will be injecting day and night.

Why not legalize heroin or cocaine . . . if it shortens their life, they made the choice.

So deny them the chance to get out of their low income environment?

I don't get it.

 

[Denny Crane]

And why should people go to prison, ruining their lives? Why must we live in a police state to prevent people from doing what they want?

As long as they're not harming someone else, why should they be prevented from their pursuit of happiness?

 

[Mediocre Man]

So deny them the chance to get out of their low income environment?

I don't get it.

Does that mean my kids can cheat on tests to get into a better college, to get a better job than they probably deserve? Cheating is cheating, whether you agree it should be or not is different.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Does that mean my kids can cheat on tests to get into a better college, to get a better job than they probably deserve? Cheating is cheating, whether you agree it should be or not is different.

I always tell people, "I may not know all the answers, but I know where to get them." Employers generally like those kids of employees. We are doing our children a disservice by not allowing them to take tests open-book or copy off their classmates who are better informed. It is more important to develop the skills necessary to obtain and apply information than to mandate rote memorization and regurgitation of miscellaneous facts and figures.

Let your kids cheat--it will make them better employees!

 

[Denny Crane]

Does that mean my kids can cheat on tests to get into a better college, to get a better job than they probably deserve? Cheating is cheating, whether you agree it should be or not is different.

It's cheating if the math teacher says "take this test, you're not allowed to use a calculator" but not if the teacher says "take this test, you can use a calculator."

People want an example of a strawman, and here it is!

I don't suggest anyone cheat. I suggest they change the rules so using a "calculator" is legit.

 

[Mediocre Man]

It's cheating if the math teacher says "take this test, you're not allowed to use a calculator" but not if the teacher says "take this test, you can use a calculator."

People want an example of a strawman, and here it is!

I don't suggest anyone cheat. I suggest they change the rules so using a "calculator" is legit.

Ah, ok.

I have no issue with NBA players juicing or whatever, but for some reason I hate the thought of baseball players doing it. I wonder what the difference is to me?

 

[e_blazer]

As long as they're not harming someone else, why should they be prevented from their pursuit of happiness?

Well, the problem is that I don't agree that they're not harming someone else. Presumably, performance enhancing drugs do what their name implies: enhance an athlete's performance...at least for a period of time before harmful side effects kick in. If professional sports were to allow their use, then more and more athletes would start to use the drugs in order to improve their chances of performing better and earning bigger money. As that happens, in a profession where there are far fewer jobs than people who want them, pretty soon the only way a young player is going to have a chance to compete is to use drugs, whether they would otherwise be so inclined or not. And, of course, young kids seeing their sports idols using PEDs achieving success, are going to start using them too to try to improve their chances of a future in sports. If these drugs were without side effects, then sure, why not allow everybody to use them. But they're not and it would pretty much suck if sports were allowed to degenerate into an industry where selfish athletes in pursuit of their own "happiness" were allowed to set up conditions where the use of such drugs became obligatory if you want to have a chance to succeed.

 

[jlprk]

As long as they're not harming someone else, why should they be prevented from their pursuit of happiness?

You are right as always. What I hate is the legal system jumping into this issue, eager to imprison people for disagreements in philosophies. Keep up the good work.

 

[maxiep]

Well, the problem is that I don't agree that they're not harming someone else. Presumably, performance enhancing drugs do what their name implies: enhance an athlete's performance...at least for a period of time before harmful side effects kick in. If professional sports were to allow their use, then more and more athletes would start to use the drugs in order to improve their chances of performing better and earning bigger money. As that happens, in a profession where there are far fewer jobs than people who want them, pretty soon the only way a young player is going to have a chance to compete is to use drugs, whether they would otherwise be so inclined or not. And, of course, young kids seeing their sports idols using PEDs achieving success, are going to start using them too to try to improve their chances of a future in sports. If these drugs were without side effects, then sure, why not allow everybody to use them. But they're not and it would pretty much suck if sports were allowed to degenerate into an industry where selfish athletes in pursuit of their own "happiness" were allowed to set up conditions where the use of such drugs became obligatory if you want to have a chance to succeed.

Repped.

 

[Denny Crane]

Well, the problem is that I don't agree that they're not harming someone else. Presumably, performance enhancing drugs do what their name implies: enhance an athlete's performance...at least for a period of time before harmful side effects kick in. If professional sports were to allow their use, then more and more athletes would start to use the drugs in order to improve their chances of performing better and earning bigger money. As that happens, in a profession where there are far fewer jobs than people who want them, pretty soon the only way a young player is going to have a chance to compete is to use drugs, whether they would otherwise be so inclined or not. And, of course, young kids seeing their sports idols using PEDs achieving success, are going to start using them too to try to improve their chances of a future in sports. If these drugs were without side effects, then sure, why not allow everybody to use them. But they're not and it would pretty much suck if sports were allowed to degenerate into an industry where selfish athletes in pursuit of their own "happiness" were allowed to set up conditions where the use of such drugs became obligatory if you want to have a chance to succeed.

Free Will.

 

[MARIS61]

Kobe, Lebron, Wade.

 

[oldmangrouch]

1) Many prescription drugs can be dangerous. They are regulated - not banned.

2) If HGH and steroids are so dangerous, why is it legal for a non-athlete to use them?

3) "Won't somebody think of the children!" Hogwash. There are many activities we allow adults to engage in, but not kids. "No" is not a dirty word, and you shouldn't feel guilty using it with your kids.

 

[jlprk]

In the work world, it is higher priority to be efficient for the boss than the priority to have perfect fairness between workers. So coffee is legal. No one complains whether a coworker has an advantage; everyone just works hard.

In sports, it is higher priority to entertain the fans with big strong bodies than it is to maintain fairness over who gets into the league. So substances to make bigger bodies should be allowed. Besides, it's fair that players who don't try their hardest to expand their bodies should be at a disadvantage. But even if it isn't fair, that's just the way the work world works.

 

[e_blazer]

Free Will.

Is there someone named Will who is wrongfully incarcerated or are you engaging in a theological discussion? I thought you atheists didn't ascribe to free will being real.

 

[Denny Crane]

Is there someone named Will who is wrongfully incarcerated or are you engaging in a theological discussion? I thought you atheists didn't ascribe to free will being real.

Free Will means people have the right to decide for themselves and are responsible for their own actions.

 

[jlprk]

The reason that senators give for imprisoning athletes who use performance-enhancing drugs are
1) the athlete hurts his own health and
2) it's unfair to athletes who are too lazy to take the drugs.

1) Then why are the drugs legal for non-athletes?
2) Since when does the work world make fairness to employees a priority?

Should senators go to prison when one of their staffers has any advantage over another?

 

[maxiep]

Isn't it really about the theory of sport? For me, it's about natural human potential, not about drugging yourself up as much as possible to see what the scientific human potential is.

Cycling for me is the best example. You see a ride like Floyd Landis did in Stage 17 of the 2006 TdF or Tyler Hamilton's Stage 16 breakaway with a broken collarbone and are blown away by the strength of their spirit, of their ability to assert their will, to conquer pain and fatigue. Then you find out later those performances were a lie, because it wasn't a level playing field.

Sure it was fun watching Bonds and McGuire battle for the home run title at the turn of the century, but it diminished what Babe Ruth and Roger Maris accomplished.

If people want to roid up, I suggest there be a different league for those players, much like there is a natural bodybuilding circuit. Some may wish to watch the scientific human potential, but I will always prefer natural human potential, with everyone playing by the same rules.

 

[jlprk]

Isn't it really about the theory of sport? For me, it's about natural human potential, not about drugging yourself up as much as possible to see what the scientific human potential is.

Cycling for me is the best example. You see a ride like Floyd Landis did in Stage 17 of the 2006 TdF or Tyler Hamilton's Stage 16 breakaway with a broken collarbone and are blown away by the strength of their spirit, of their ability to assert their will, to conquer pain and fatigue. Then you find out later those performances were a lie, because it wasn't a level playing field.

Sure it was fun watching Bonds and McGuire battle for the home run title at the turn of the century, but it diminished what Babe Ruth and Roger Maris accomplished.

If people want to roid up, I suggest there be a different league for those players, much like there is a natural bodybuilding circuit. Some may wish to watch the scientific human potential, but I will always prefer natural human potential, with everyone playing by the same rules.

The trouble with you socialists is that you want the government to hold the worker's hand and lead him into a worker's paradise of fairness. This further shackles employers, especially long-suffering small businessmen.

In contrast, we libertarians say that employees start out equal, but those trying harder will inevitably separate themselves from the field, no matter how level. You leftists are in the ashheap of history. As Ayn Rand said somewhere, workers must be encouraged to work hard, get strong, and use PEDs.

 

[Draco]

If people want to roid up, I suggest there be a different league for those players, much like there is a natural bodybuilding circuit. Some may wish to watch the scientific human potential, but I will always prefer natural human potential, with everyone playing by the same rules.

Yeah I totally agree. They can create an untested sports league if some people want and then take any crap they desire. Given the choice I think most people would rather compete in a healthy environment if they have the option.

There is no way at all a natural body builder could compete with those roid guys, its insane how much of an impact drugs have. Guys are nearly 300lbs of lean muscle on roids but under 200lb naturally. Guys that have tons of muscle naturally don’t have a lean body fat %, they look like fat ass strong men. There is no way to naturally cut that much fat without losing a ton of muscle. After a number of years on roids and HGH those bodybuilders get disgusting, their guts grow, their facial feature like nose and ears grow disproportional large. They don't look healthy at all.

Look at how dominant PED cyclists were. I think one year the top27 finishers were all on something? There is just no way to compete. I will watch a league with criminals and thugs but I don’t want to watch a league with PED users. I know many fans echo my view, if there is demand for a PED friendly league then one can be created to cradle for that niche.

 

[e_blazer]

Free Will means people have the right to decide for themselves and are responsible for their own actions.

Well, then I guess the folks who run the professional sports leagues have the Free Will to want to run them in a way that doesn't compromise a player's long term health for a short term improvement in performance. Athletes have the Free Will to decide to agree to abide by the rules, or break them and potentially suffer the consequences.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Isn't it really about the theory of sport? For me, it's about natural human potential, not about drugging yourself up as much as possible to see what the scientific human potential is.

Cycling for me is the best example. You see a ride like Floyd Landis did in Stage 17 of the 2006 TdF or Tyler Hamilton's Stage 16 breakaway with a broken collarbone and are blown away by the strength of their spirit, of their ability to assert their will, to conquer pain and fatigue. Then you find out later those performances were a lie, because it wasn't a level playing field.

Sure it was fun watching Bonds and McGuire battle for the home run title at the turn of the century, but it diminished what Babe Ruth and Roger Maris accomplished.

If people want to roid up, I suggest there be a different league for those players, much like there is a natural bodybuilding circuit. Some may wish to watch the scientific human potential, but I will always prefer natural human potential, with everyone playing by the same rules.

I lost interest when I heard Bonds and McGuire where roiding up to better themselves. I also don't think much of Sammy Sosa or Roger Clemens. I already think it has hurt some of Hedo Turkoglu and Rashard Lewis career, They already got busted. If LeBron is doing it watch out, Thats going to be a major hit to the league!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Isn't it really about the theory of sport? For me, it's about natural human potential, not about drugging yourself up as much as possible to see what the scientific human potential is.

This is where I come down. Many people see sports as nothing more than diversionary entertainment, and therefore want to allow anything that might allow the performance to be more entertaining. Bigger Collisions! Longer Home Runs! More Ferocious Lions!

I like the idea of people competing via the maximization of their natural gifts without artificial enhancement. As a consumer of the product that is my preference. Perhaps I am in the minority, but that's what I would like to see. If PED's were codified into sports, my interest would lessen.

 

[BBert]

I pray it's not LeBron. When Hedo Turkoglu gets busted for PED's, it's sort of comical, but if LeBron got busted, that would seriously endanger the league's image, for right or wrong.

As much as I dislike LeBron, in the greater scheme of things, LeBron, or any other star for that matter, getting busted for PED's would be an insurmountable black eye for the league.

I thought it was just a common assumption that Lebron uses PEDs?

 

[BBert]

Kobe, Lebron, Wade.

Of course. Every time I read what a miracle man Kobe is for his fast recovery times, I immediately assume he's using. Doesn't everyone?

 

[BBert]

If LeBron is doing it watch out, Thats going to be a major hit to the league!

Which is why the league isn't looking into it.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

Of course. Every time I read what a miracle man Kobe is for his fast recovery times, I immediately assume he's using. Doesn't everyone?

Totally.