Republicans, can I ask an honest question about racism

[julius]

Yes sir. Conservatives tend to be a little more racist against Blacks. But the general survey is only on whites and their view on Blacks. We haven't seen studies on black liberals and their view on white people. Like I said before. Racism is on both sides. There are Blacks that are racist towards whites. Anyone that disagrees isn't paying attention.

Sure, and there are probably some gays who hate straight people, and women who abuse men.

But it's historically straight men who hate against gays and men who abuse women.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/washington/2004-12-09-diverse-usat_x.htm

 

[MickZagger]

Theres two kinds of racists the people who think they're above black people, the democratic racists and the racist who want all black people dead and like to bend over their sisters, the republican racists.

 

[magnifier661]

No. Because it doesn't have the historical weight of the N word.

The word cracker, if my memory serves me right, is derived from the crack of a whip.

So even the term itself is based on white people having power or control (or ownership) over slaves.

So yeah, it's not a racist comment.

So racism must have a historical weight then? So if I walk up to black man and call him "buckwheat"; which has the same historical weight as "cracker"; that's not racist then? You think that's going to fly publicly?

 

[julius]

btw, yes I know that whips weren't only used on people but cattle also.

 

[Denny Crane]

So racism must have a historical weight then? So if I walk up to black man and call him "buckwheat"; which has the same historical weight as "cracker"; that's not racist then? You think that's going to fly publicly?

It might be a good exercise to try and put yourself in a black person's shoes. Think about their history and what they face every day. Think about how white dominated everything is - TV, advertising, government, education, and so on. A little sensitivity to these sorts of things will lead to a better understanding.

 

[magnifier661]

right, nobody claims that liberals arent racist at all, just that conservatives are MORE racist

Fez claimed it.

I've seen many, and I mean many, on Twitter drop the n-bomb but later claim they aren't racist.

I challenge you to find any KKK member in the history of that group who wasn't a Republican.

Go ahead, I'll wait.

That was a self-proclamation that only the Republicans would be racist enough to be in the KKK right?

 

[julius]

So racism must have a historical weight then? So if I walk up to black man and call him "buckwheat"; which has the same historical weight as "cracker"; that's not racist then? You think that's going to fly publicly?

yes, it has to have a historical weight.

It's why calling someone who is japanese a "jap" is more offensive then calling someone who is polish a "pole".

when one term has been used to dehumanize someone, it has more weight than the other used to make fun of someone.

If you use a term to dehumanize or diminish a persons power, it has more weight. You show me a historical event, or a time period, where white people being called crackers has had the negative impact that ****** has or boy or buckwheat has.

 

[jlprk]

Some here think that blacks being pissed off about racism makes them racist. If X punches Y and Y punches X in response, you can't say that we should find fault with Y for being violent.

Especially when the punches are unequal--when X has a million police and millions of employers backing up his side, and Y just has hanged great-grandfathers on his side.

(Heh heh. That'll get an answer.)

 

[magnifier661]

It might be a good exercise to try and put yourself in a black person's shoes. Think about their history and what they face every day. Think about how white dominated everything is - TV, advertising, government, education, and so on. A little sensitivity to these sorts of things will lead to a better understanding.

I am seriously sensitive to the history; which is why I would never say something like that. What I don't like to see is how, because of the history, it's okay to be racist towards white people. Two wrongs don't make a right.

 

[Denny Crane]

This link says what is my understanding.

http://racismschool.tumblr.com/post/18614015438/definition-cracker

Definition: Cracker

Cracker- If this name is used to describe you, it will almost always mean one thing. You are showing your privilege. It is NOT a “Racist term” as racists would have you believe. As a matter of fact, the origin of the word was not about race, it was about station. Oh and who made this word…WHITE PEOPLE. No really, this information isn’t even hard to find. If you are called a cracker you have likely shown either racist tendencies or overall privilege. It comes from the term “The CRACKER of the whip.” Being called a “Cracker” is equal to someone saying, “Your privilege is showing.”

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Fez claimed it.
That was a self-proclamation that only the Republicans would be racist enough to be in the KKK right?

i have no idea where he was going with that kkk crap, misguided as it was

but im sure EVEN FEZ knows that there are liberal racists out there, just not as many as conservative racists, as your charts prove

 

[Denny Crane]

I am seriously sensitive to the history; which is why I would never say something like that. What I don't like to see is how, because of the history, it's okay to be racist towards white people. Two wrongs don't make a right.

Black people aren't being racist when they talk about race and injustice. Louis Farrakhan is racist, but he's way out there and I think in the minority.

 

[julius]

I am seriously sensitive to the history; which is why I would never say something like that. What I don't like to see is how, because of the history, it's okay to be racist towards white people. Two wrongs don't make a right.

no one is saying it's ok, they're just saying that you're comparing macro to micro.

 

[julius]

Black people aren't being racist when they talk about race and injustice. Louis Farrakhan is racist, but he's way out there and I think in the minority.

speaking of inequality and injustice is not racism.

The shit Louis Farrakhan says and does, is. (Is he even alive anymore?)

 

[julius]

Racist? Actually the chart shows both parties being racist against Blacks. I would be curious on which parties interviewing blacks from both parties whom are racist towards whites. The fence goes both ways.

btw, your charts show that people are PREJUDICE towards blacks.

Prejudice =/= racism (thats a common issue with people)

 

[magnifier661]

no one is saying it's ok, they're just saying that you're comparing macro to micro.

Well my opinion is life is to completely break free of racism; all nationalities must look past ethnicity and judge a man by their works. Even in some extremely liberal concentrations; there is massive amounts of racism "Israel" towards the muslims and vice versa. That is a prime example of extremists on both sides hating on each other. Many muslims in the middle east are considered very conservative and the Israelites being liberal are extremely racist towards the muslims in the middle east.

 

[magnifier661]

btw, your charts show that people are PREJUDICE towards blacks.

Prejudice =/= racism (thats a common issue with people)

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_Difference_between_prejudice_and_racism

Prejudice is a negative attitude you have over an entire group of people, often an ethnic group or racial group. (Internal) Racism is a kind of prejudice where you think one race is superior and all the others are inferior. It has to do more than physical traits than anything else.

You are right about that. Prejudice isn't racism; but they are connected because Racism is a form of prejudice. You haven't seen comments on blacks talking about being far superior in athletic ability? Looking at athletes, many would agree; but that is racism. The comment "Blacks are far superior than whites in athletics" is a racist term.

 

[jlprk]

Sure, and there are probably some gays who hate straight people, and women who abuse men.

But it's historically straight men who hate against gays and men who abuse women.

I sure don't agree that more men abuse women than women abuse men, especially if you include verbal and semantic abuse, which Magnifier is including. Just the opposite. I have been shoved around by my ex, stumbling to avoid falls down steps when my legs were in terrible shape, numerous times in the last year. I put up with it to see my son. On this board we listen passively to Crandc's manhatred (her diatribes have decreased since I began responding a year or two ago that they are manhatred) without argument.

 

[magnifier661]

I sure don't agree that more men abuse women than women abuse men, especially if you include verbal and semantic abuse, which Magnifier is including. Just the opposite. I have been shoved around by my ex, stumbling to avoid falls down steps when my legs were in terrible shape, numerous times in the last year. I put up with it to see my son. On this board we listen passively to Crandc's manhatred (her diatribes have decreased since I began responding a year or two ago that they are manhatred) without argument.

I don't argue that racism isn't more concentrated in the conservative spectrum "Far right wing" faction of the conservative. But I've seen the same on the extremely left wing side of liberalism. Political party doesn't define a racist. A racist defines a racist. I am Republican and I have many gay friends, more black friends than white. I don't think I'm better than they are and I don't think they are better than me just because of color. I rate people on their efforts and personality.

 

[jlprk]

Next time you do this thread, ask only about nonsemantic racism. Words like cracker do not equal not hiring millions of people, terrorizing them with hangings, not letting them into college, etc.

 

[Further]

Thanks for answering my questions.

Ill have to think about some of the responses. So, if liberal/conservative plays such a passive role in racism, what plays a stronger role? Geography? Religion?

 

[Denny Crane]

Thanks for answering my questions.

Ill have to think about some of the responses. So, if liberal/conservative plays such a passive role in racism, what plays a stronger role? Geography? Religion?

Lack of exposure to different people. Once you realize people are just people, it's easy enough to get over the superiority/inferiority thing.

 

[blazerboy30]

yes the most racist people on planet earth, the blacks of the south

I don't get it.

 

[blazerboy30]

exactly. Black people voting for Obama isn't about thinking they're superior, as much as it's them wanting someone who looks like them to be in charge,

You're kidding right? That is absolutely racism.

or they agree with his political views, or don't agree with Romneys.

I'm referring to the 2008 democratic primaries. The white vote was split very evenly between Obama and Clinton. The black vote was ~97% for Obama. Clearly it wasn't about political differences between Clinton and Obama.

I have no doubt there are people who voted for Obama because he's black, but I would bet that # is much smaller than the # of those who voted for Romney because Obama is black.

Probably because there are a lot more white people in this country. Percentage-wise, I guarantee you are wrong.

Voting for Romney didn't make you racist.

Strawman.

 

[blazerboy30]

No. Because it doesn't have the historical weight of the N word.

The word cracker, if my memory serves me right, is derived from the crack of a whip.

So even the term itself is based on white people having power or control (or ownership) over slaves.

So yeah, it's not a racist comment.

This is complete garbage. To think that something can only be racist if it has "historical weight" is incredibly ignorant.

 

[Denny Crane]

This is complete garbage. To think that something can only be racist if it has "historical weight" is incredibly ignorant.

Define racism.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Speaking only for myself, my vote had nothing to do with the race or religion of the candidate.

It's hard for a young-ish white male to talk about racism. I've always been of the opinion that racism is something that's felt by the victim/recipient. Since 95% of those of African-American descent voted (D), and ~70% of hispanic voters voted (D), then I don't think it's a crazy coincidence that the discourse over race A) paints it as a political leaning somehow and b) is dominated by the left.

 

[blazerboy30]

Define racism.

Look it up yourself. Racism doesn't require historical context.

 

[Denny Crane]

Look it up yourself. Racism doesn't require historical context.

No, racism does not require historical context. The difference between the N word and cracker absolutely is about historical context.