Republicans, can I ask an honest question about racism

[blazerboy30]

93% of people marry within their race

THE WHOLE country IS RACIST!! :MARIS61:

why should race matter when choosing a spouse!??!

It was about 90% of total black vote in the 2008 primaries, with some states reaching about 95% for Obama over Clinton.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

well, 93% sure paints a pretty damning picture, dont you think?

i think that is a bigger problem than PRIMARY voting, but i guess everyone has their own priorities about what is really important in this world

 

[blazerboy30]

well, 93% sure paints a pretty damning picture, dont you think?

Sure. Just like 95% does too. Both suggest that there is prejudice or preferences based on race. That is racism.

i think that is a bigger problem than PRIMARY voting, but i guess everyone has their own priorities about what is really important in this world

Well who you marry affects a very small group of people. If the president is chosen based on race, that points to a much larger problem, IMO.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

who you are married to is much more important to you than who the president is, unless you get a new wife every 4-8 years

 

[blazerboy30]

who you are married to is much more important to you than who the president is, unless you get a new wife every 4-8 years

Yes. But i don't care who you marry. I do care who you vote to be my president.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Yes. But i don't care who you marry. I do care who you vote to be my president.

what do you care about more? your wife? or who i vote for?

 

[julius]

Yes, again, by DEFINITION it is racist.

re: voting for him because he's black. You're not proving that they voted for him BECAUSE he's black anymore than I can prove people who voted for Romney voted BECAUSE he wasn't black.

Two things:

1) I didn't say that whites voting for whites isn't racist. You keep bringing that up as if I've denied that.

2) There are no stats showing a drastic split in the white vote. 59% of whites voted for Romney. Yeah, that's pretty close to 90%. Ridiculous.

yep, black people are racist. you win.

 

[MARIS61]

White Republicans hate blacks and exploit hispanics and asians. They hate liberals more than any race.
Minority Reps hate whites.

White Democrats hate their own race through ingrained feelings of guilt for offenses some of their long-dead predecessors may have committed.
Minority Dems hate whites.

 

[blazerboy30]

re: voting for him because he's black. You're not proving that they voted for him BECAUSE he's black anymore than I can prove people who voted for Romney voted BECAUSE he wasn't black.

Which is where statistical analysis comes in. You can't do it so you keep spouting off about the number of people voting for Romney. I gave you the states from the last election, and somehow you want to keep crying about 59% (whites voting for Romney) vs the 90% black split in the democratic primaries. You're so far in the weeds it is comical.

yep, black people are racist. you win.

Ah yes, resort to a strawman that I NEVER claimed because your panties are in a wad.

Some whites are racist, some blacks are. I don't know why that gets you so upset and butt hurt.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

what do you care about more? your wife? or who i vote for?

???

 

[blazerboy30]

???

I agree with the "???" since it is an irrelevant question.

Interestingly what you, Julius and Denny have resorted to is building strawmen such as:

"THE WHOLE country IS RACIST!"

"yep, black people are racist. you win."

"I guess it's racist to invite over a friend who's italian and serve him pasta."

"only southern DEMOCRAT blacks are racist"

Etc, etc.

Strange that it fires you up so much to hint that there might be some racism from black voters as well.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

so you arent going to answer the question?

wow

 

[blazerboy30]

so you arent going to answer the question?

wow

Tell me why it is relevant to the topic.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

the topic of racism?

93% of americans marry within their race, and that seems more important than a PRIMARY race to me

just wondering your thoughts on the matter, if you dont want to answer the question, i dont really care i guess

 

[blazerboy30]

the topic of racism?

93% of americans marry within their race, and that seems more important than a PRIMARY race to me

just wondering your thoughts on the matter, if you dont want to answer the question, i dont really care i guess

If I had a wife, she would be more important to me than anything anybody else does.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

do you think that racism is a leading force in that 93%?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

i guess what im trying to say, is that if you are making one argument, you should make the other

 

[blazerboy30]

do you think that racism is a leading force in that 93%?

Could be.

You're pretty clever with your leading questions.

 

[maxiep]

WTF?!? My father is one of the toughest people I know. The racism he experienced didn't hold him back. Some of it was so stupid that there was no way that it could hold anyone back. And yes, racism exists everywhere. I never said life wasn't fair or my father felt that life wasn't fair. What a completely asshole post to make Maxie.

Good for him. He sounds like an example for others to follow. As for how you took my post, it was in general, not to do with your father. I'm saying people who think they're being held back by racism need to stop using it as a crutch. Overwhelmingly, we're a meritocracy. So, stop bitching about your station in life and start working. And as for being an asshole, guilty as charged. However, I didn't let my disability hold me back one bit.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Could be.

i would say people want to be with someone they have the most things in common with, and most people likely vote the same way

you call that racism, i dont

i can see where you are coming from...but i think most people equate racism with a feeling of superiority or hatred based on race, you have a minority (no pun intended) view, doesnt make you wrong, but it doesnt make you right either, and i think you are smart enough to see both sides of the argument

 

[maxiep]

the holocaust was not over 200-300+ years of continual LEGAL abuse of, the murder OF and domination of one group over another. And even though their #'s were decimated, there wasn't a continual, LEGAL avenue for Germans to discriminate against Jews after the war ended.

The people who were in charge of the holocaust did not remain in power, or control their government. They did not change the rules to favor "real" Germans. Yes, there were issues and discrimination.

Just because Slavery ended in 1865, did not mean that black people went "oh, I remember what we lost, and it'll never happen again".

They still had to deal with being considered non human and non "American" for many decades later.

It's easy as a non minority to say people need to stop making excuses for their lack of achievement, when systematically, minorities have been held down by our culture. Yes, there are many who have found levels of achievement, but you cannot deny that our society has held down different groups of our society.

As for the "would they enjoy living back in Africa" comment....I'm not even sure how to address that. There's only so much condescending, and dismissive attitudes one can read before you want to stop listening to people. It's really easy for someone who (I assume) come from a background that did not experience prejudice and racism to tell others they need to get over it.

It's like telling someone who got molested to "get over it", when it's really easy for someone who was never molested to get over something they never experienced.

Luckily, Jews have only had to endure 1,000's of years of bigotry, rather than hundreds. Yet they persevere.

Everyone has to deal with bigotry in one form or another. Some simply refuse to allow it to define their life. But, of course, you're correct. If you have dark skin, you're destined to fail, so you should stop trying. Everyone hates you because of your skin color.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

If you have dark skin, you're destined to fail, so you should stop trying. Everyone hates you because of your skin color.

why the strawman? there can be a discussion here without this nonsense

 

[maxiep]

Yep, racism is over with because we have 3 black people who are prominent.

And yep, we're saying America is cruel and unfair. You pegged us.

Bigotry is as minimized as it will ever be in terms of the legal system. So, it's as good as it's going to get. And I hate to break it to you, but we all discriminate. There's a reason my wife is a 5'8" blond with 34Ds instead of a short redhead with 38As.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Bigotry is as minimized as it will ever be in terms of the legal system.

how do you figure?

 

[maxiep]

so get over it and move back to africa...nice

and slaves here were bred in certain ways to achieve certain results... so until this gene manipulation is erased from their lineage, could you say that they actually are still feeling the effects of slavery?

in any event, something to ponder on

Slavery was an obscenity. My point was that for their future generations, it may have been a blessing. For example, the Russian Revolution and then the Japanese invasion of China were awful for my ancestors, but it drove them to America, which was a wonderful blessing for me. But you just keep on being ignorant.

As for your Jimmy The Greek "breeding" argument, it's just silly and not worthy of a real response.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

why the strawman? there can be a discussion here without this nonsense

lmao, look who is talking

 

[maxiep]

until you can prove to me that blacks were voting for Obama solely because he was black, it's no different then when white vote for a candidate who happens to be white.

Are you saying that Whites voted for McCain and Romney because he was white like them and they didn't want to vote for a black candidate?

Seems to me you're pontificating a point you don't need to or want to, nor does it make the overall bigger point that you seem hell bent on defending.

Are you being purposefully dense? In the 2008 Democratic Primary, it was a bunch of "me too" positions, just as it was in 2004. The difference is that a half-black candidate was running. I think the reasonable assumption is that all things being equal, Barack Obama having a black father was the deciding factor between voting for him and voting for Hillary if you're black. I think that's racist. But you keep on fighting the good fight; it's working for you.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

lmao, look who is talking

what a great contribution to this thread, thanks for nothing, now run along, i think the evil liberal news has something for you to parrot later

 

[maxiep]

what percentage of black repubs voted for herman cain? what percentage of whites didnt?

anybody have a link for that either? i say 97%

The difference is that Republicans generally don't engage in identity politics the way the Democrats do. People are people, and they should be treated equally without regard for their skin color or religion.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Then people need to toughen up. You don't think discrimination exists in every walk of life? People discriminate against fat people, short people, ugly people, poor people, religious people, gay people, etc. Life isn't fair. We should stop trying to make it so. The cream will rise to the top, no matter the color, religion, appearance or sexual orientation.

Boy, there sure is a lot of victimization in this thread. It makes me wonder how in such a terrible and racist country we could have seen a Colin Powell, Condoleeza Rice or Barack Obama. America is terrible, cruel and unfair. You have your station in life and that's where you stay, I guess.

WTF?!? My father is one of the toughest people I know. The racism he experienced didn't hold him back. Some of it was so stupid that there was no way that it could hold anyone back. And yes, racism exists everywhere. I never said life wasn't fair or my father felt that life wasn't fair. What a completely asshole post to make Maxie.

Good for him. He sounds like an example for others to follow. As for how you took my post, it was in general, not to do with your father. I'm saying people who think they're being held back by racism need to stop using it as a crutch. Overwhelmingly, we're a meritocracy. So, stop bitching about your station in life and start working. And as for being an asshole, guilty as charged. However, I didn't let my disability hold me back one bit.

First, I didn't call you an asshole. I said that was an asshole post. There is a difference.

And as far as how I took your post, how else would one take it? I tell you that I've personally seen racism directed at my father and you respond with a post to me that people need to toughen up? You go off on some rant about fat people, gay people and albino people that has nothing to do with my original reply to you.

Then you immediately follow that up with a post about all of the victimization in here?!?

That was rude. You want to have a conversation about my father that's one thing. But to sit there and insult him, while I'm sure you're a wonderful person, was an asshole thing to post.