rethinking - player evaluations

[Further]

Two things I have changed my mind about.

So in the past, mostly when there was a big Webster v Outlaw debate raging, I was squarely in the Outlaw camp. Now, after seeing Outlaw, the mental mistakes he continues to make, and the seeing the way he meshes with some of our other players, I am no longer so high on him. This is not to say that I think Martell is the answer, just that Outlaw is not. Batum, for all his potential, is not there yet either.

So, I think we need to find ourselves an upgrade at SF if we are really going to compete this year and make a deep playoff run.

When it comes to PG, I was never much of a Blake guy, always seeing him as a capable backup, but not a starter. This view has not changed, but what has changed is Sergio. I came to the conclusion last year that he was going to be out of the NBA soon, but this year he has really surprised me. I think it's time to move Sergio to the starting lineup, and let Blake back him up.

 

[BengalDuck]

Sergio is absolute garbage. There is NO reason Sergio should be playing ahead of Bayless. He provides nothing except the ability to throw a lob pass once a game.

 

[Further]

Sergio is absolute garbage. There is NO reason Sergio should be playing ahead of Bayless. He provides nothing except the ability to throw a lob pass once a game.

Well, he also has the most assists of any bench player in the NBA. He is also shooting much better from 3 then in the past, and most importantly, he gets the rest of the players to move and not stagnate.

 

[BengalDuck]

Well, he dribbles the ball for 20 seconds of the shot cllock half the time he brings it up. He still cant hit a jumper (36% this year) and is player allowing Utah to easily double-team Roy and Aldridge because Rodriguez is no threat to score.

He's been stripped of the ball for easy fast breaks and layups more often than any NBA PG I can remember. He gets abused by physical offensive players.

Essentially, he provides nothing on either offense or defense that any other ordinary scrub could, and is playing ahead of a much better offensive and defense threat.

 

[andalusian]

Sergio is a fantastic PG against bad teams that can not guard properly or are coached by morons. Whenever you have a good team with a coach that knows what he does - he will just allow Sergio to shoot and double his pass-targets. This makes Sergio a none-factor.

Yes, he is playing better this year, yes, he helps Rudy's transition - but let's face it - he is a Steve Nash without the shot and (this one is hard to say)... the defense. Yuck.

 

[ehizzy3]

if we start sergio ill jump off a bridge

 

[Rodolfo]

Sergio is a fantastic PG against bad teams that can not guard properly or are coached by morons. Whenever you have a good team with a coach that knows what he does - he will just allow Sergio to shoot and double his pass-targets. This makes Sergio a none-factor.

Yes, he is playing better this year, yes, he helps Rudy's transition - but let's face it - he is a Steve Nash without the shot and (this one is hard to say)... the defense. Yuck.

So what you're saying is he's Steve Nash without the Offense or Defense. I agree.

 

[alex42083]

Sergio is no way ready to handle starting duties or 30-plus mins a game. Teams will eat him alive with their offense, and opposing PGs will just leave him on defense and double Brandon every single time.

 

[bigbailes]

i love watching sergio but have to agree with the rest that he's not ready to start/play 30+.

having said that, i'm guessing that 3rd string PG is the equivalent to backup QB in portland. he's always the most popular guy in the publics eye. what has bayless shown anyone that proves he is ready to play? he dominated some scrubs in summer league? i shutter to think about what the second unit would look like if bayless was the one handling the ball. he doesn't distribute, or create for others. he gets his own shot and that's about it. i think he'll make a great back court mate to roy one day but apparently nate doesn't think he's ready for any run at the moment.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Sergio can't start. His defense is horrible. Even worse than Jose Caolderon's.

 

[andalusian]

So what you're saying is he's Steve Nash without the Offense or Defense. I agree.

Yes. He has court vision, and it's a rare thing - but it's not enough.

Just like Shawn Bradely had height. It still did not make him much since he had no power or skill.

The game is played at such a high level that you need multiple skills/abilities.

Roy is a stud because he can shoot, he can dribble, he can score and he can pass (not to mention that his defense is not bad and he rebounds well).

Blake can shoot and bring the ball-up-court. He can create a little and he used to be able to defend better - but overall he has a limited number of skills to make him a dependable backup PG.

Sergio has one wonderful trait and unfortunately, not much more. When he is on, he is a joy to watch - unfortunately, that's not enough to make him a really valuable player.

Bayless should have multiple skills/talents - speed, scoring ability, defense and hopefully some ability to create for others. This makes him, in my eyes, a much better prospect than Sergio - despite the fact that he would never be as good a passer as Sergio is.

 

[alex42083]

Eventually we'll have to find out what Jerryd can bring to the table. Blake and Sergio are not going to be sharing the PG duties for the next 10 years.
While I can understand if the coaching staff may feel he's not ready yet, there will come a time when he has to play. Tonight may have been a good time either in the second qtr, or at the end of the third when it was clear Sergio and Blake were both ineffective. Who knows, Jerryd could've been effective like he was against Boston's scrubs when Utah had their subs in and were up 15.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Imagine if Jerryd was on our 2004-2005 team he'd start and would be the second option on offense.

 

[ehizzy3]

Sergio can't start. His defense is horrible. Even worse than Jose Caolderon's.

do they teach defense in spain? calderon, juan carlos, sergio, pau, even rudy(he is a pest but still not that good at d)

i guess marc is good defensively

 

[blue32]

If Sergio could just learn to take the shot sometimes and put some more arc on it, he'd be a much bigger threat. Sometimes I just wish he'd look up at the hoop and realize it's THAT CLOSE, and put it in!

 

[Boob-No-More]

The myth that Sergio has improved is just that - a myth. He's the EXACT same player he was his rookie year. Yes, he's playing "better" this year that last (but seriously, it would be hard not to), but compare this years numbers to his rookie year and the stats, especially the per/36 numbers, are about as close as you can get.

About the only real difference is a larger percentage of his shots are 3-pointers. His 3FG% is better, but his FG% is worse. The net is his eFG% is almost identical to what it was his rookie year (0.494 vs. 0.493).

He still turns the ball over just as much as he did as a rookie and still plays horrible defense. He's now in his 3rd season in the league and still plays like a rookie. He's the EXACT same player - with the same strength (singular) and weaknesses (plural).

BNM