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I would like to see Jefferson here. He would bring consistency, which this team screams for. He would bring defense, which this team screams for. He would bring playoff and championship series experience, which this team screams for. He would bring some attitude, which this team screams for.

I would find it really hard for Jefferson to not be successful here. :crazy:
 
He's an unrestricted free agent after the season. They might not be able to keep him even if they want to.

and I believe they will only have his early bird rights. Maybe they are scared someone will offer him more than the MLE?
 
Poppycock. That's like telling Paul Allen HE CAN NOT keep all his billions.

We aren't stockpiled in young talent by accident. It's exactly what we wanted, and still want.

What the guest (a diehard Bulls fan) really means is he hopes and prays we are idiots who will make a bad deal to profit his team, or at least diminish our stockpile of young talent so we're not a threat to his team.

The entire league is shaking in terror just thinking about the team we'll be after baking for another couple years.

We're not talking just deep in the playoffs.

We're talking more like we're becoming the Harlem Globetrotters while the rest of the teams will be our Washington Generals.

Sometimes, Maris, I really like you.:clap::clap:
 
Trav and Raef for Jefferson! They would have to send back somebody else, but I think I would do this yesterday!

Given the state of the economy and this being a lost season for the Bucks, RLEC plus a protected first would likely be enough.
 
To see Oden telling anyone where to be is a little ridiculous . . . He doesn't even know where to be himself.

I don't see that as the problem with Oden's fouls at all....

I think what Greg is learning about is that he cannot just "bang" into guys and not expect to get a foul called on him b\c of his size...and he also tries to effect\block some shots that he should sometimes just let go....

But again, his fouls wouldn't be so magnified, if he was actually getting more than SIX shot attempts per game (that is his average so far)....
 
To see Oden telling anyone where to be is a little ridiculous . . . He doesn't even know where to be himself.

Yeah - he should really find some capable perimeter defenders to stand behind not to expose himself to cheap fouls when he actually tries to cover for the inept ones we have... :crazy:
 
I agree that it's very strange. Why should it take this long for an ankle injury to heal? Something doesn't smell right about that situation.

It's been two different foot injuries. Insofar as I know his ankle is fine. However, it is odd that we've heard so little about it.
 
and I believe they will only have his early bird rights. Maybe they are scared someone will offer him more than the MLE?

Like Portland, maybe. If Portland doesn't trade RLEC and they just let it expire, they could offer Sessions more than the MLE. And should, IMO. Sessions could well be the best talent available on the market, considering current ability and age.
 
Who knows, maybe we can get David Stern to raise the roster limit from fifteen to twenty players? Seriously, the object is not to have a bench that is fifteen deep with each guy equally capable of being a rotation player, the goal is to stockpile talent for just long enough that you can then package them together to go out and get guys to surround Roy, Aldridge and Oden; guys that can play solid complimentary roles.

Holding on to players for too long, especially a bunch of young guys all operating on rookie scale deals will eventually lead to some major discord as 4 or 5 will eventually be left sitting on the bench to rot, watching their limited window of opportunity at a career and financial security narrow and eventually close up.

I know guys like Channing, Ike, etc. have been playing the part of the "good soldier" (which is much to their credit as professionals) but these guys are former lottery picks with probably enough game to at least be rotation players on another less deep team, to hold on to them and deny them an opportunity to prove themselves in what essentially amounts to a contract year seriously puts in jeopardy their ability to get picked up or get paid what they are "worth" over the summer. In fact I would argue that the mix of players KP has put together carries a serious risk of imploding unless he does a better job of staggering the ages and contract status of this roster.

You're kidding yourself if you think this team -- as currently constructed -- will look the same this time next year.

I don't understand why more people don't see this. Young guys want to play. They want to show what they can do. They want to earn bigger contracts. The NBA is a business. Sure, they want to win, but they also want to earn a living.
 
Like Portland, maybe. If Portland doesn't trade RLEC and they just let it expire, they could offer Sessions more than the MLE. And should, IMO. Sessions could well be the best talent available on the market, considering current ability and age.

The question is, who is more worth it? Sessions or Childress? I would rather go for Childress
 
The question is, who is more worth it? Sessions or Childress? I would rather go for Childress

Actually, I think they could swing both. They need to trade Atlanta for Childress' rights anyway...so they don't necessarily need money under the cap. Atlanta could sign-and-trade Childress to Portland. I would be willing to give up, say, Outlaw and/or Webster and/or cash. That would leave a small forward rotation of Childress and Batum.
 
This thread is getting a little off topic, so I'd like to get back on course . . .

If you have heard it, it is on OLive now.

My take . . . Rebecca is totally into LMA. When Bucher even suggested that Portland could get Amare by trading LMA she was totally against it. After that whenever any trade was mentioned (Carter, etc.) Rebecca kept talking like they would use Aldridge in the trade. She is definately into LMA. Sorry AgentPetro.
 
Given the state of the economy and this being a lost season for the Bucks, RLEC plus a protected first would likely be enough.

I don't see being in the playoff race in the East a lost season for the Bucks.
 
I don't see being in the playoff race in the East a lost season for the Bucks.

You don't get it. Redd is done for the season, Bogut is out two months, Ridnour is out for one month. Their season is done, no matter how you want to look at it.
 
I get it. The East is weak and there is a plethora of teams vying for the last two playoff spots. Milwaukee even with those injuries has plenty of talent. Sessions has produced more than Ridnour ever did on that team. Villanueva has picked his game up immensly since the Redd injury and Jefferson is producing solidly. They still have plenty of weapons and the Nets, Knicks, Raptors and Bulls haven't shown that they have enough to pull away from the pack. In a season where they're very much a part of the playoff race this far in, there is no way they're giving up a talent like Jefferson for a expiring contract and likely a draft pick in the early 20's. It doesn't make sense. Especially with a relatively young team that isn't an enticing place for free agents, which would make giving up Jefferson for an expiring ridiculous.
 
I get it. The East is weak and there is a plethora of teams vying for the last two playoff spots. Milwaukee even with those injuries has plenty of talent. Sessions has produced more than Ridnour ever did on that team. Villanueva has picked his game up immensly since the Redd injury and Jefferson is producing solidly. They still have plenty of weapons and the Nets, Knicks, Raptors and Bulls haven't shown that they have enough to pull away from the pack. In a season where they're very much a part of the playoff race this far in, there is no way they're giving up a talent like Jefferson for a expiring contract and likely a draft pick in the early 20's. It doesn't make sense. Especially with a relatively young team that isn't an enticing place for free agents, which would make giving up Jefferson for an expiring ridiculous.

Yes it does. They are the 8th seed AT BEST with the injuries.

After they get crushed in the post-season, they are going to go into the lux tax with a mediocre team and they are going to have to resign Sessions and CV to larger contracts. Do you see them doing that? Honestly? Giving up Jefferson will be purely a financial move.
 
Yes it does. They are the 8th seed AT BEST with the injuries.

After they get crushed in the post-season, they are going to go into the lux tax with a mediocre team and they are going to have to resign Sessions and CV to larger contracts. Do you see them doing that? Honestly? Giving up Jefferson will be purely a financial move.

Sessions is a MLE guy and nothing more as of now. I think getting rid of Redd is a more likely how they're are going to cut salary. Teams in the playoff hunt, with a fanbase that isn't accustomed to making the playoffs on a regular basis isn't going to risk playoffs (whether a first round and out, or not) just for that cap relief. Its going to take more than that to get Jefferson.
 
Sessions is a MLE guy and nothing more as of now. I think getting rid of Redd is a more likely how they're are going to cut salary. Teams in the playoff hunt, with a fanbase that isn't accustomed to making the playoffs on a regular basis isn't going to risk playoffs (whether a first round and out, or not) just for that cap relief. Its going to take more than that to get Jefferson.

Their owner isn't paying for them to make the 8th seed. He wants to win a championship, and this team, no matter what happens, will have no way of winning a championship. You underestimate how much money Raef would save for a cheap owner like the Bucks's owner.

Also, Redd isn't leaving. He's injured so his trade value has dropped significantly. Also, Jefferson isn't having the best season. They want to sign Session and CV because they are two young players that have the potential to take their team farther than Redd/Jefferson. The first step would be to move one of the larger contracts, and Jefferson is definitely the easier and more logical choice.

I just don't see any way they would go into the luxury tax to get crushed in the first round.
 
Every owners objective is to win the championship. You're just re-hashing some of Chad Ford's "wisdom" and expecting that to be the owners true M.O.

Jefferson is not the problem contract in Milwaukee and its not like they have to make a decision between Jefferson and Villanueva. The guy who's going to go is going to be Redd if they really want to save money and be in contention. Its going to take more than that expiring contract to get Jefferson.
 
Every owners objective is to win the championship. You're just re-hashing some of Chad Ford's "wisdom" and expecting that to be the owners true M.O.

Jefferson is not the problem contract in Milwaukee and its not like they have to make a decision between Jefferson and Villanueva. The guy who's going to go is going to be Redd if they really want to save money and be in contention. Its going to take more than that expiring contract to get Jefferson.

Yes, they want to win a championship, and it's obvious this group isn't going to get it done.

No one is going to take Redd. How do you expect him to pass a physical? They have no choice but to move Jefferson is money is what they want.
 
Yes, they want to win a championship, and it's obvious this group isn't going to get it done.

No one is going to take Redd. How do you expect him to pass a physical? They have no choice but to move Jefferson is money is what they want.

Wait until the offseason like most teams do.
 
Wait until the offseason like most teams do.

Well then they wouldn't get Raef's benefits.

Plus, Redd is a better player. Since they're so concerned about contending, like you say, they should keep him instead of Jefferson, no?

Plus, Jefferson plays the positions of SF, which Milwaukee could replace easily with Mbah a Moute and Alexander who they would like to develop. Whereas if they lose Redd, uh, who plays shooting guard again?
 
Plus, Jefferson plays the positions of SF, which Milwaukee could replace easily with Mbah a Moute and Alexander who they would like to develop. Whereas if they lose Redd, uh, who plays shooting guard again?

I'd agree with that. Jefferson makes $29 mil the next two seasons. That's a lot of money for owners not named Paul Allen.
To get that off their cap for a crappy team in the East would be big for them, plus they'd pay peanuts of Raef's contract.
 
The question is, who is more worth it? Sessions or Childress? I would rather go for Childress

Actually, I think they could swing both. They need to trade Atlanta for Childress' rights anyway...so they don't necessarily need money under the cap. Atlanta could sign-and-trade Childress to Portland. I would be willing to give up, say, Outlaw and/or Webster and/or cash. That would leave a small forward rotation of Childress and Batum.

Completely agree. Childress holds all of the leverage with Atlanta, anything they do to try and block a deal with another team and all he has to do is go back to Greece and tell the Hawks to kiss his booty. This doesn't even consider the fact that Atlanta probably has zero interest in offering him the full MLE (which is probably close to what he's worth) since they currently have Marvin Williams who is playing pretty well.

As for Sessions, he's probably closer to an 8 or 9 million dollar man ... perhaps 10 if the there were a number of teams trying to bid for him. If the Bucks don't get a deal done with Jefferson before the trading deadline or on draft day, they are going to have to make a hard choice between Charlie V., and Sessions. In this case I think the Blazers could possibly try to swing another sign and trade and I would seriously consider dangling Bayless or Rudy as trade bait (assuming they wouldn't bite on Sergio and/or picks and cash considerations) ... of course if Bayless "blows up" between now and the end of the season, and shows that he's ready to run the point as a full time starter, then going after Ramon becomes something less of a priority.
 
In this case I think the Blazers could possibly try to swing another sign and trade and I would seriously consider dangling Bayless or Rudy as trade bait (assuming they wouldn't bite on Sergio and/or picks and cash considerations)

I don't think Milwaukee can go as high $8-10 million. As a second-round pick, he hits the free agent market before his Bird rights vested with Milwaukee. I'm not certain how high Milwaukee can go on Sessions (being over the cap), but I think it's something around the MLE.

Therefore, I think Portland can try to just sign him directly, rather than trade anything to Milwaukee.
 
As for Sessions, he's probably closer to an 8 or 9 million dollar man ... perhaps 10 if the there were a number of teams trying to bid for him.
seriously? you think sessions is an 8-10 million dollar a year player?
 
Completely agree. Childress holds all of the leverage with Atlanta, anything they do to try and block a deal with another team and all he has to do is go back to Greece and tell the Hawks to kiss his booty. This doesn't even consider the fact that Atlanta probably has zero interest in offering him the full MLE (which is probably close to what he's worth) since they currently have Marvin Williams who is playing pretty well.

As for Sessions, he's probably closer to an 8 or 9 million dollar man ... perhaps 10 if the there were a number of teams trying to bid for him. If the Bucks don't get a deal done with Jefferson before the trading deadline or on draft day, they are going to have to make a hard choice between Charlie V., and Sessions. In this case I think the Blazers could possibly try to swing another sign and trade and I would seriously consider dangling Bayless or Rudy as trade bait (assuming they wouldn't bite on Sergio and/or picks and cash considerations) ... of course if Bayless "blows up" between now and the end of the season, and shows that he's ready to run the point as a full time starter, then going after Ramon becomes something less of a priority.

You've got to be kidding me. I love the guy, and have been following him since his 22pts/24ast game last year, but no way has he done enough to warrant 8-10 million a year. He's got a wacky shot and his defense is very subpar. Unless he explodes for 20/10 for the rest of the season, he's worth 6-7 million a year MAX.
 
seriously? you think sessions is an 8-10 million dollar a year player?

I do. He's young and an above average point guard already. He just doesn't get the minutes. If I had to pick one under-the-radar guy who could be the next Devin Harris (except, perhaps, the defense) I'd pick Sessions.
 
I do. He's young and an above average point guard already. He just doesn't get the minutes. If I had to pick one under-the-radar guy who could be the next Devin Harris (except, perhaps, the defense) I'd pick Sessions.

Right now, he's a less explosive Bayless + Passing Skills - Defense.

Is that worth 10 million a year?
 

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