Rich Cho for executive of the year?

[The_Lillard_King]

Whatever award, runner up, top five Cho deserves to be put in . . . give Paul Allen the assist.

Cho was able to get Wallace on the cheap because other owners wanted nothing to do with crash's contract.

I bet Cuban is kicking himself . . .

 

[blazerboy30]

Dude, put down the crack pipe. Your statement only makes sense if you assume the Blazers had no idea Oden, Roy, and Joel were hurt.

If that's your argument, you are the one with no credibility.

Throwing out baseless assumptions as your proof somehow gives you credibility?

No.

Like I said... you're making up reasons to hate on Cho (unless you can provide a reference).

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't "hate" Cho - I've never even met the man.

History is what it is. The Blazers started the season with one of the worst benches in the league. This lack of depth, and the fatigue it caused, was an obvious handicap to the team. That's on the GM.

And for the record - I don't for one minute buy the nonesense about how Cho "couldn't possibly have known" that Oden and Roy had health issues.

"Hating" on someone doesn't mean you hate them necessarily, it encompasses all criticisms and complaints. You're definitely hating on Cho.

So you think that Cho was supposed to come in, guns blazing, and change everything up right off the bat? That doesn't make a lot of sense, and Cho needed to know how bad things were with Roy or Oden before he could decide if he was going to build for the future or try to give the team a boost for the now. He traded for Wallace and helped solidify our team to make a push now. Who would you have traded to give our bench more depth? Joel was used to acquire Wallace, so he's out, and the only other viable options are Andre Miller and Marcus Camby, so if you move them that makes us much weaker in the starting unit.

 

[HailBlazers]

If Cho made the Bayless deal just to have a first-round pick as future trade ammunition, but didn't already have the Wallace deal mapped out, then I still think the Bayless deal deserves to be judged individually.

what if the whole point of trading Jbay was to go after a select few targets one of which who happened to be G? Would you give CHO some credit? The reason why I say this is because the Bayless trade reeked of bait, it seems that pick was a piece of a plan to me..

Whatever award, runner up, top five Cho deserves to be put in . . . give Paul Allen the assist. I bet Cuban is kicking himself . . .

After last night you know he is! G.WALL really tips the scales for us vs. a lot of teams right now, the Mavericks being the prime example.

 

[STOMP]

He is still young. But, what part of his game do you think still has a lot of upside? To me, he's an undersized shooting guard with alligator arms that needs a lot of space to get his jumpshot off.

His wingspan and standing reach is more or less about the same as Chris Paul. Dude had zero issues getting his jumper off as teams have generally backed off him and dared him to shoot. He is an explosive athlete and quality finisher. If he ever gains consistency with his J the game will open up for him.

STOMP

 

[Minstrel]

what if the whole point of trading Jbay was to go after a select few targets one of which who happened to be G? Would you give CHO some credit? The reason why I say this is because the Bayless trade reeked of bait, it seems that pick was a piece of a plan to me..

I don't understand your "give Cho some credit" comment. I've given Cho a ton of credit for the Wallace trade and said he's on the positive side of the ledger for me. So your implication that I'm somehow not giving Cho any credit is odd to me.

I'm saying that I evaluate the Bayless deal and the Wallace deal as two separate deals, because I haven't seen anything to suggest that he was already putting the Wallace deal together back then (if he was, why wouldn't he have done it back then? A full season of Wallace would have been better than half). My belief (though I don't know this for sure) is that he felt a draft pick as a future tradeable asset was worth more than Bayless as a prospect for Portland, and I disagree...therefore I don't think it was a good deal. But his usage of that pick and other minor assets was fantastic.

 

[e_blazer]

Cho had Gerald Wallace at the top of his list of targeted players since he got the GM job. http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2011/02/blazers_14.html

I also recall reading that the Blazers had talks with the Bobcats about acquiring Wallace as early as November. I don't think it's a stretch to presume that Cho had a pretty good idea of what it was going to take to make the deal with Jordan and that he took steps in trading Bayless to acquire the pick that would eventually be needed to get Wallace. He's not going to get GM of the year, but I think the guy should be given credit for knowing what pieces he wants and being able to put a package together that will make it work.

OMG's argument is that Cho should have known early on that the Blazers' needed to make moves. The record shows that he did. Sometimes things just don't happen as quickly as we message board GMs would like them to.

 

[HailBlazers]

Thanks Eblazer ^^^

I'm saying that I evaluate the Bayless deal and the Wallace deal as two separate deals, because I haven't seen anything to suggest that he was already putting the Wallace deal together back then (if he was, why wouldn't he have done it back then? A full season of Wallace would have been better than half).

Indeed a full season would of been, but I think Charlotte would have rioted in the streets if they traded him at the beginning of the year. Something about the trade deadline made it easier on the franchise to get rid of him and look better doing it.

 

[PapaG]

I'm not sure what this thread has morphed into. I don't see anybody "hating" on Cho. I just don't find his work this year to be EotY-worthy. Top 10? Sure, but, excuses aside, the fact remains that the team is older now, yet will win less games than the previous two seasons. Let's give Cho a few years to really make his vision reality. Giving him EotY this year would be a bit like giving a new US President the Nobel Peace Prize for what he may be able to do in the future, wouldn't it?

 

[maxiep]

I really liked KP, and wish he were still our GM. Evidentally, there was some shady stuff in the background and he deserved what he got, so I guess I'll have to move on. You can go back to the threads about getting a new GM and you'll see my first (realistic) choice was Rich Cho. I love what he brings to the table and think he's a great fit for this team.

His strength however is his long-term strategizing. I figured he would sit on his hands for a year or so, working with Nate to figure out what this team needed and identifying the players to get and how to get them. I didn't think he was as capable of rescuing a situation on the fly, especially after just taking the job. He's done a nice short-term job, which has surprised me.

I bet after the lockout, we see a much more assertive Cho in terms of putting his vision on this team.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Indeed a full season would of been, but I think Charlotte would have rioted in the streets if they traded him at the beginning of the year. Something about the trade deadline made it easier on the franchise to get rid of him and look better doing it.

That something was the firing of Larry Brown 28 games into the season. Wallace was a Larry Brown favorite. He was an all-star under Brown, and Larry Brown had just taken the Charlotte Bobcats to the NBA playoffs for the first time in team history. Prior to the season, there was optimism the Bobcats would build on their previous season's success (7th seed, 44-38, first winning record in team history). Trading their best player at that time would have been foolish and would have pissed off both their Hall of Fame coach and fan base.

That all changed 28 games into the season when the team was 9-19 and Brown was fired. At that point, Charlotte basically decided it was time to blow things up and start the rebuilding process. Ironically, due to the weak Eastern Conference, they are still in the hunt for the final playoff spot 2 games behind current 8th seed Indiana. Sunday's home loss to the Wizards really hurt their chances, though.

BNM

 

[PapaG]

Another question. Given Larry Miller's close relationship with Michael Jordan, do we have any definitive proof that Cho was the reason for the Wallace trade? Remembering the press conference, it seems like Miller did most of the talking. Some of the same people who bashed on KP for taking too much credit now seem willing to bestow such singular praise on Rich Cho, whether it is deserved or otherwise.

 

[maxiep]

Another question. Given Larry Miller's close relationship with Michael Jordan, do we have any definitive proof that Cho was the reason for the Wallace trade? Remembering the press conference, it seems like Miller did most of the talking. Some of the same people who bashed on KP for taking too much credit now seem willing to bestow such singular praise on Rich Cho, whether it is deserved or otherwise.

I think Miller made it happen, but that Cho helped identify Wallace as a player that could help us and helped create the package that was presented to Charlotte.

 

[PapaG]

I think Miller made it happen, but that Cho helped identify Wallace as a player that could help us and helped create the package that was presented to Charlotte.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but there has been discussion surrounding Gerald Wallace since the RLEC deadline. Identifying Wallace as a good player who fits into Nate's approach to the game doesn't take a basketball genius. Wallace is basically Travis Outlaw, but much, much better, and with excellent defense. Taking on the contract was the primary issue, and clearly Paul Allen is taking the approach that he won't mind paying some luxury tax, depending on the structure of the new CBA.

This was more of a financial deal for Charlotte than it was anything else.

 

[HailBlazers]

and helped create the package that was presented to Charlotte.

I think this is where CHO's hard work came in.

 

[PapaG]

I think this is where CHO's hard work came in.

I think Larry Miller and Hat Guy ran the show on the Wallace trade.

 

[THE HCP]

I think Larry Miller and Hat Guy ran the show on the Wallace trade.

Interesting that you say this. I had never seen hat guy until this fall. He was at the PF and has been at the last 20 or so home games.

 

[e_blazer]

I think Larry Miller and Hat Guy ran the show on the Wallace trade.

Personally, I don't care if the Cat in the Hat ran the show. We ended up with Wallace and that's all that counts in my book.

Now that I think about it, there may have been a pink ring around the therapy pool when we went on the tour.

 

[HailBlazers]

I think Larry Miller and Hat Guy ran the show on the Wallace trade.

They may have presented the trade, but I think CHO crunched the numbers and provided the options to Miller and co. But like EBlazer said, who gives an F we got G.Wall!

 

[The_Lillard_King]

The Wallace trade is a perfect example of why we call Cho the fragrant one.

 

[MickZagger]

I think Larry Miller and Hat Guy ran the show on the Wallace trade.

haha. Your nuts if you think Hat Guy has any kinda pull on trades. He's mainly a consultant helping the players. He works a lot with Patty.

 

[MickZagger]

Interesting that you say this. I had never seen hat guy until this fall. He was at the PF and has been at the last 20 or so home games.

Old, short bald guy always working with the players. Limping around with really bad posture. Its hard for me to believe that guy has strong connections around the league when it comes to trades.

 

[MickZagger]

Another question. Given Larry Miller's close relationship with Michael Jordan, do we have any definitive proof that Cho was the reason for the Wallace trade? Remembering the press conference, it seems like Miller did most of the talking. Some of the same people who bashed on KP for taking too much credit now seem willing to bestow such singular praise on Rich Cho, whether it is deserved or otherwise.

.... hah! You would give anybody else aside from the General Manager credit in this trade. After all, you were involved in the trade discussions ...

 

[andalusian]

Personally, I don't care if the Cat in the Hat ran the show. Now that I think about it, there may have been a pink ring around the therapy pool when we went on the tour.

Somebody, somebody, has to you see. Then she picked up two somebodies. Larry Miller and Me.
-- The book of Cho.

 

[PapaG]

.... hah! You would give anybody else aside from the General Manager credit in this trade. After all, you were involved in the trade discussions ...

I have Cho as my avatar, and I gave him credit for helping get Wallace to Portland. I just find it curious that the same people who blamed KP for getting too much credit are now heaping individual praise on Cho, when Larry Miller even said that the Wallace trade was an organizational effort. It seems like inconsistent (hypocritical?) logic to me.

http://www.blazersedge.com/2011/2/2...-miller-gm-rich-cho-talk-gerald-wallace-trade

Secondly, you're an usher. What trade discussions have you been involved in with Cho?

 

[blazerboy30]

I have Cho as my avatar, and I gave him credit for helping get Wallace to Portland. I just find it curious that the same people who blamed KP for getting too much credit are now heaping individual praise on Cho, when Larry Miller even said that the Wallace trade was an organizational effort. It seems like inconsistent (hypocritical?) logic to me.

Who are these people you're referring to? Or is this just another strawman?

 

[PapaG]

Who are these people you're referring to? Or is this just another strawman?

The people who criticized KP for taking too much credit, yet now seek to praise Cho.

I made that quite clear. Your reading comprehension issues are rearing their head again.

Next, you'll ask "LINK?", and even if I provide a link, it still won't satisfy you.

Take your inferiority issues elsewhere. They, frankly, bore me at this point. I have a rocking discussion going on with Minstrel in the OT section now, so have a good one!

 

[blazerboy30]

The people who criticized KP for taking too much credit, yet now seek to praise Cho.

I made that quite clear. Your reading comprehension issues are rearing their head again.

Next, you'll ask "LINK?", and even if I provide a link, it still won't satisfy you.

Take your inferiority issues elsewhere. They, frankly, bore me at this point. I have a rocking discussion going on with Minstrel in the OT section now, so have a good one!

Right on cue! Toss some garbage on the wall, and hope nobody calls you out on it...if they do, get butthurt.

 

[MickZagger]

Secondly, you're an usher. What trade discussions have you been involved in with Cho?

I'm not the one saying that persons outside of the GM are the one's who should be given credit for a trade. I don't know what happened in the discussions, and I don't try to. All I know is that every other GM in the league gets credit for trades that happen under their watch. Yet, when Cho makes a trade it must have been somebody else pulling the strings because it goes against your whole original premise that Cho was a horrible GM.

Sometimes people on this site get so caught up in their agenda's it clouds them from reality.

 

[PapaG]

I'm not the one saying that persons outside of the GM are the one's who should be given credit for a trade. I don't know what happened in the discussions, and I don't try to. All I know is that every other GM in the league gets credit for trades that happen under their watch. Yet, when Cho makes a trade it must have been somebody else pulling the strings because it goes against your whole original premise that Cho was a horrible GM.

Sometimes people on this site get so caught up in their agenda's it clouds them from reality.

Where did I say Cho shouldn't get credit?

Also, did you read the link to Larry Miller's comments after the trade? By his account, it was an organizational effort, and Miller led the press conference after the trade.

Seems like you're the one who has reality clouded. I said Cho has been a Top 10 GM this year. Sorry if I don't think he is EotY, but I just don't see it. Didn't you start this thread?