Ride the tank

[Strenuus]

What would it take for us (other than CJ) to get another lottery pick? I'd love to end up with something like the 4th and 7th picks (like the magical draft of 2006) and be able to get 2 of Dunn, Brown, Labissiere, Murray, Ingram, or Bender.

CJ.

Sorry.

 

[BonesJones]

Plumlee and Leonard?

Probably not enough. I think taking on salary might be our best bet. I think our #1 goal should be to find a way to get another mid lottery pick without giving up CJ, because it gives us the ability to do a lot of different things in the off-season. Something like

MIN Gets: Meyers Leonard, Noah Vonleh, ~20th pick (DET), Future 1st (POR)
POR Gets: ~7th pick (MIN top 3 protected) Zach Lavine, Nikola Pekovic
DET Gets: Gerald Henderson, Chris Kaman

Buyout Pekovic, allocate it all to this year's cap. Taking his contract of Minnys hands is incentive for them to do this. We might have to give MIN.

This would leave us with the 5th and 7th pick, which could leave us with 2 options.

1.) Package a combination of CJ, the 5th, and 7th picks for a great player or pick. Options I could see:
CJ+5th+7th+filler for DeMarcus Cousins
CJ+5th+7th+Future First for the 1st pick
5th+7th+filler for Eric Bledsoe
7th+filler for Brook Lopez
7th+Future1st+filler? for 2nd pick (Ingram?)

2.) Keep the picks
At 5, take Skal Labbissiere, Jaylen Brown, or Dragan Bender
At 7, take Jakob Poeltl, Jamal Murray, or Kris Dunn

Lillard / Lavine
Murray / McCollum
Aminu / Crabbe
Bender / Davis
Plumlee / FA Center

3.) We win the lottery, draft Ben Simmons, then try to trade up from 7 to 5 (7+Future pick?) so we can get Labissiere, Bender, or Brown

Lillard / Lavine
Crabbe / McCollum
FA SF (Parsons?) / Aminu
Simmons / Bender
Plumlee / Davis

Or

Lillard / Lavine
Crabbe / McCollum
Simmons / Aminu
Bender / (Combo of Simmons/Aminu)
FA C (Whiteside?) / Davis

 

[Natebishop3]

Probably not enough. I think taking on salary might be our best bet. I think our #1 goal should be to find a way to get another mid lottery pick without giving up CJ, because it gives us the ability to do a lot of different things in the off-season. Something like

MIN Gets: Meyers Leonard, Noah Vonleh, ~20th pick (DET), Future 1st (POR)
POR Gets: ~7th pick (MIN top 3 protected) Zach Lavine, Nikola Pekovic
DET Gets: Gerald Henderson, Chris Kaman

Buyout Pekovic, allocate it all to this year's cap. Taking his contract of Minnys hands is incentive for them to do this. We might have to give MIN.

This would leave us with the 5th and 7th pick, which could leave us with 2 options.

1.) Package a combination of CJ, the 5th, and 7th picks for a great player or pick. Options I could see:
CJ+5th+7th+filler for DeMarcus Cousins
CJ+5th+7th+Future First for the 1st pick
5th+7th+filler for Eric Bledsoe
7th+filler for Brook Lopez
7th+Future1st+filler? for 2nd pick (Ingram?)

2.) Keep the picks
At 5, take Skal Labbissiere, Jaylen Brown, or Dragan Bender
At 7, take Jakob Poeltl, Jamal Murray, or Kris Dunn

Lillard / Lavine
Murray / McCollum
Aminu / Crabbe
Bender / Davis
Plumlee / FA Center

3.) We win the lottery, draft Ben Simmons, then try to trade up from 7 to 5 (7+Future pick?) so we can get Labissiere, Bender, or Brown

Lillard / Lavine
Crabbe / McCollum
FA SF (Parsons?) / Aminu
Simmons / Bender
Plumlee / Davis

Or

Lillard / Lavine
Crabbe / McCollum
Simmons / Aminu
Bender / (Combo of Simmons/Aminu)
FA C (Whiteside?) / Davis

Dude that's not enough to get the 7th pick by itself, let alone zach Levine. The kid is special. He has been playing very well this season.


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[BlazerWookee]

Fuck the draft, fuck the tank, and fuck you for rooting for the tank.

 

[santeesioux]

Fuck the draft, fuck the tank, and fuck you for rooting for the tank.

Do you want to be the 8th seed at best year in and year out?

 

[Natebishop3]

Do you want to be the 8th seed at best year in and year out?

Wook still thinks Aldridge is coming back.

 

[BonesJones]

Dude that's not enough to get the 7th pick by itself, let alone zach Levine. The kid is special. He has been playing very well this season.


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I haven't been keeping tabs. Take out Lavine then. I think without it it's likely enough, especially since we're ridding then of a bad contract

 

[42N8Bounce]

Win the championship
Win a playoff series
Make the playoffs
Win the game
Play hard

Being a fan, my top desire is to see the Blazers win a championship. I’d be happy to give up any lower goal to achieve a higher goal. For example, I’d be happy to lose a game, if that meant a better matchup in the playoffs and a better chance of advancing to a playoff series win.

It’s becoming clear that we won’t be making the playoffs this year. A win doesn’t help achieve any higher goals. At this point, I want to see the Blazers play hard. I’m okay with a loss if it gives us a chance to draft a quality player that will help the Blazers achieve higher goals in the years to come.

 

[riverman]

What would it take for us (other than CJ) to get another lottery pick? I'd love to end up with something like the 4th and 7th picks (like the magical draft of 2006) and be able to get 2 of Dunn, Brown, Labissiere, Murray, Ingram, or Bender.

I believe you can buy a draft pick for 3mil...I think Paul Allen did that not so long ago and I think you can only do it once a year..not sure..Schilly knows this stuff pretty well

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I believe you can buy a lottery pick for 3mil...I think Paul Allen did that not so long ago and I think you can only do it once a year..not sure..Schilly knows this stuff pretty well

He's bought draft picks, but I'm pretty certain he's never landed a lottery pick for a measly 3m that I remember.

EDIT: I think they have bought picks in the 20's

 

[BBert]

I thought they changed it so you can only buy a pick every other year, or not two years in a row, or something like that?

He's not getting a lottery pick for $3m of pocket money.

 

[riverman]

He's bought draft picks, but I'm pretty certain he's never landed a lottery pick for a measly 3m that I remember.

good catch..I meant draft pick..fixed it

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I thought they changed it so you can only buy a pick every other year, or not two years in a row, or something like that?

He's not getting a lottery pick for $3m of pocket money.

The change was that you can only spend 3 MIL in a year now (including trades - so if you buy one pick for 2 MIL and 1 MIL to offset a deadline trade then you are done). Before you could buy as many as you want for up to 3 MIL each.

But ya, I don't think there has ever been a lottery pick just sold. Earliest pick I remember sold for just cash was around pick 18-19.

 

[oldmangrouch]

I miss the days when the Blazers paid the Cavs $50K to pick Austin Carr and leave Sid Wicks for the Blazers at #2. The current NBA has this weird phobia against thinking outside the box.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Do you want to be the 8th seed at best year in and year out?

I'd rather make the playoffs than be in the lottery, every year.

 

[Haakzilla]

 

[PDXFonz]

I'd rather make the playoffs than be in the lottery, every year.

Dame can't hit a series winner on draft night.

 

[PCmor7]

Our tank has turned into a Porsche.

 

[Natebishop3]

Our tank has turned into a Porsche.

Eh...... I don't know if I'd call it a Porsche.... maybe a Camry.

 

[PCmor7]

Eh...... I don't know if I'd call it a Porsche.... maybe a Camry.

I drive a Camry. It's better than a Camry. Maybe it's an Avalon.

 

[Natebishop3]

I drive a Camry. It's better than a Camry. Maybe it's an Avalon.

I drive a Camry as well.... I think the 7th seed is the very definition of a Camry

 

[Pinwheel1]

16-11 at home and 11-16 on the road. More even than I thought it would be at this point in the season

 

[Nikolokolus]

Eh...... I don't know if I'd call it a Porsche.... maybe a Camry.

Which is why I just don't feel excited. Ill give them this. Damian is playing his ass off and Stotts has found a way to generate offense and everybody is playing hard. Win, win, win right? Short term for sure. In the long run it feels like the kind of preliminary moves in a game of chess that locks you into a stalemate and hinders the ultimate goal of a championship.

Yeah, yeah. I can already hear the wing of the forum that thinks we're set and just needs to let it ride. But as good as it feels to watch a team move from "shitty" to "OK" just think about what a championship caliber team actaully looks like. We haven't seen one here in Portland since the Drexler days and even they were never good enough.

 

[HailBlazers]

ride the skank

 

[Pinwheel1]

Which is why I just don't feel excited. Ill give them this. Damian is playing his ass off and Stotts has found a way to generate offense and everybody is playing hard. Win, win, win right? Short term for sure. In the long run it feels like the kind of preliminary moves in a game of chess that locks you into a stalemate and hinders the ultimate goal of a championship.

Yeah, yeah. I can already hear the wing of the forum that thinks we're set and just needs to let it ride. But as good as it feels to watch a team move from "shitty" to "OK" just think about what a championship caliber team actaully looks like. We haven't seen one here in Portland since the Drexler days and even they were never good enough.

We all understand that we need a couple more pieces. Where we all disagree........ is how we obtain those pieces. We have cap space, we have good young players, we are winning, and technically we could still end up with our draft pick. Considering where we were in July.......it's not that bad. If we can't add a piece this summer, then yeah I would let it ride....until the right opportunity comes along. It could take a couple of years, but I don't see a better alternative.

 

[Scalma]

I'm on team motherfuck the tank.

But for real. We have enough young players. Not going to win a championship with a bunch of 25 year olds, no matter how ideal it sounds.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I will thoroughly enjoy Games 3, 4 and 6 against the Spurs, watching LMA choke away a 2/7 matchup in the playoffs.

The chess player in me hates giving up a lotto pick in literally the best year for the foreseeable future to have a lotto pick, but damn it would be sweet.

3 of POR, HOU, DAL and UTH will make the playoffs. MEM is iffy if Gasol's out for any extended period.

As for me and my house, I'm down like a clown for beating SAS and OKC, only to get swept by GSW in the WCF on their way to the best season in history.

 

[jlprk]

MEM is iffy if Gasol's out for any extended period.

I think Memphis will make the playoffs even without Gasol. To make the playoffs (let's say 44 wins), all they have to do is win 13 more out of 29 remaining (.448).

 

[Scalma]

I wouldn't be surprised if Memphis played better without gasol. Jamychal green is a nice breakout candidate.

 

[TBpup]

I'm on team motherfuck the tank.

But for real. We have enough young players. Not going to win a championship with a bunch of 25 year olds, no matter how ideal it sounds.

Anyone happen to remember the 1977 Blazers?