RJ + Sean Williams is an Attractive Trade Package

[ghoti]

Let's say that someone in the Nets' organization actually cared about winning a title.

Since they stubbornly refuse to do what is necessary and trade their high-priced players while they still have value, and they foolishly gave one of those players a cumbersome long-term contract, maybe they should grow some stones and at least try to win something.

That would take drastic action and a mortgaging of the future at the very least, and even then I'm not sure if it's possible.

1. Would any of these trades be accepted by the other team?

2. Would any of these trades be enough to make the Nets realistic title contenders this season?


New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players

Tracy McGrady

Salary: $18,257,750 Years Remaining: 3
PTS: 22.8 REB: 4.7 AST: 5.1 PER: 21.32

Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Sean Williams, Jamaal Magloire

Houston Rockets

Incoming Players

Richard Jefferson

Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 23.9 REB: 4.3 AST: 2.8 PER: 18.47

Sean Williams

Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.4 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.88

Jamaal Magloire

Salary: $4,000,000 Years Remaining: 1
PTS: 1.9 REB: 3.6 AST: 0.3 PER: 2.05

Outgoing Players: Tracy McGrady





New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players

Amare Stoudemire

Salary: $13,762,775 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 22.3 REB: 9.1 AST: 1.2 PER: 26.62

Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Josh Boone, Sean Williams

Phoenix Suns

Incoming Players

Richard Jefferson

Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 23.9 REB: 4.3 AST: 2.8 PER: 18.47

Josh Boone

Salary: $1,133,040 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 6.7 REB: 6.1 AST: 0.5 PER: 14.25

Sean Williams

Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.4 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.88

Outgoing Players: Amare Stoudemire

New Jersey Nets

Incoming Players

Pau Gasol

Salary: $13,735,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 18.9 REB: 8.7 AST: 2.9 PER: 20.41

Outgoing Players: Richard Jefferson, Sean Williams

Memphis Grizzlies

Incoming Players

Richard Jefferson

Salary: $12,200,000 Years Remaining: 4
PTS: 23.9 REB: 4.3 AST: 2.8 PER: 18.47

Sean Williams

Salary: $1,416,600 Years Remaining: 2
PTS: 7.4 REB: 5.3 AST: 0.5 PER: 16.88

Outgoing Players: Pau Gasol


If they are not willing to make deals like these, what the hell is the point of keeping the roster together? People in Brooklyn will not buy tickets to see a pathetic losing team with washed up, unmotivated stars. Take that to the bank, Ratner.

 

[Joey FistPump]

Personally I don't like any of those deals...
1) Tracy McGrady is basically a less motivated more injured Vince Carter...NO THANKS.
2) Amare is a nice player but giving up Boone, Swat and RJ would DECIMATE this team. You'd have no bench, no true starting SF and be starting Jason Collins again.
3) This might be a good trade...but I still don't like it.

Honestly I don't think we should try to improve the big three due to our lack of salary room and lack of bench...Honestly I think we should trade either RJ or Vince for 2-3 players in hopes of adding depth to our bench.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 18 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I don't think we should try to improve the big three due to our lack of salary room and lack of bench...Honestly I think we should trade either RJ or Vince for 2-3 players in hopes of adding depth to our bench.</div>

Do you have an example of this that you believe will make the Nets realistic title contenders this season?

Remember, the idea is to win a title. If that can't be done with the current players, there's no point in keeping the team together.

 

[Petey]

I would do all 3. But not getting McGrady or Amare with RJ as the center piece.

-Petey

 

[speeds]

Jefferson and Williams would be a enticing package, though I don't think your ownership has plans on breaking the team up.

You seem to want to trade your defensive players for offensive ones.

Why not go after a two-way player like Andrei Kirilenko or Shawn Marion?

 

[Universe]

Only really like the Amare deal but no way Suns would due that unless he asked.

 

[Kidd Karma]

I like the Amare deal. He gets you there now. Boki starts, don't matter who the 5 is with Amare, Collins, Magloire.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 18 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 18 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I don't think we should try to improve the big three due to our lack of salary room and lack of bench...Honestly I think we should trade either RJ or Vince for 2-3 players in hopes of adding depth to our bench.</div>

Do you have an example of this that you believe will make the Nets realistic title contenders this season?

Remember, the idea is to win a title. If that can't be done with the current players, there's no point in keeping the team together.
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Realistic title contenders? Tim Duncan. He's not going anywhere. Like Michael Jordan & Shaq before him, at times there are such dominate forces in the NBA, you have to lower expectations. Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey

 

[Petey]

After looking back at the responses, not sure the Nets have enough depth to make up for the injury prone McGrady.

-Petey

 

[cpawfan]

Thorn would consider each of those deals an overpayment

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey</div>

Not something to be proud of during Jason Kidd's championship window.

Take Kidd off the team and I'd agree with you.

 

[Chutney]

The Gasol deal was solid. And its pretty feasible, IMO.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey</div>

Not something to be proud of during Jason Kidd's championship window.

Take Kidd off the team and I'd agree with you.
</div>

That window has past. And the talent has gotten better since that 2 year run.

-Petey

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Chutney @ Jan 18 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Gasol deal was solid. And its pretty feasible, IMO.</div>

They have Gay, Warrick, Miller. Similar guys to RJ and Williams (to a much lesser extent). Don't think you can give up a double-double machine for that.

-Petey

 

[Kidd Karma]

Amare wants to be the centerpiece, with Kidd and VC he would be.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speeds @ Jan 18 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson and Williams would be a enticing package, though I don't think your ownership has plans on breaking the team up.

You seem to want to trade your defensive players for offensive ones.

Why not go after a two-way player like Andrei Kirilenko or Shawn Marion?</div>

I suggested that, too.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey</div>

Not something to be proud of during Jason Kidd's championship window.

Take Kidd off the team and I'd agree with you.
</div>

That window has past. And the talent has gotten better since that 2 year run.

-Petey
</div>

If the window has passed, then Kidd is who they should be trading.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey</div>

Not something to be proud of during Jason Kidd's championship window.

Take Kidd off the team and I'd agree with you.
</div>

That window has past. And the talent has gotten better since that 2 year run.

-Petey
</div>

You are very confused about what a player's championship window is.

Kidd's window hasn't closed as he is still capable of leading a team to a championship. Rather, the team has been poorly constructed around him.

There may be some better individual players, but the sum of the players is worse.

 

[speeds]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 18 2008, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (speeds @ Jan 18 2008, 12:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jefferson and Williams would be a enticing package, though I don't think your ownership has plans on breaking the team up.

You seem to want to trade your defensive players for offensive ones.

Why not go after a two-way player like Andrei Kirilenko or Shawn Marion?</div>

I suggested that, too.
</div>

Nobody wanted Vince this summer, and especially not now after the season he's had.

 

[cpawfan]

JCN is Gasol's best friend. He would have to be in any Gasol deal and the Grizzlies would need to be well compensated for him since they gave up a decent amount to get him

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey</div>

Not something to be proud of during Jason Kidd's championship window.

Take Kidd off the team and I'd agree with you.
</div>

That window has past. And the talent has gotten better since that 2 year run.

-Petey
</div>

You are very confused about what a player's championship window is.

Kidd's window hasn't closed as he is still capable of leading a team to a championship. Rather, the team has been poorly constructed around him.

There may be some better individual players, but the sum of the players is worse.
</div>

He had come close to several seasons ago in a weaker conference. He's not capable of leading a team to a championship now.

-Petey

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not capable of leading a team to a championship now.

-Petey</div>

Based upon what?

 

[Kidd Karma]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting out of 2nd round of the playoffs would be a good goal, one this team should be proud of.

-Petey</div>

Not something to be proud of during Jason Kidd's championship window.

Take Kidd off the team and I'd agree with you.
</div>

That window has past. And the talent has gotten better since that 2 year run.

-Petey
</div>

You are very confused about what a player's championship window is.

Kidd's window hasn't closed as he is still capable of leading a team to a championship. Rather, the team has been poorly constructed around him.

There may be some better individual players, but the sum of the players is worse.
</div>

He had come close to several seasons ago in a weaker conference. He's not capable of leading a team to a championship now.

-Petey
</div>

That's why I would love to see that Amare proposal go down. Amare can lead this team to a championship.

Boki, Amare, Magloire, Kidd, VC

Wright, Collins, Allen, DA, Williams off the bench.

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Kidd Karma @ Jan 18 2008, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Amare can lead this team to a championship.</div>

How is Amare going to lead a team?

 

[Answer_AI03]

I dont get why people think the nets have a shot at a championship even if they trade for a player like Amare, or T-mac. Their "championship window" closed after they got swept in the finals against the lakers. The Nets NEED to trade Kidd, Carter, and RJ for cap space and draft picks and start rebuilding. The only thing that will happen if they wait to do this is Kidd, VC, and RJs values will all go down. Im not saying any of these guys couldn't win a championship on another team, just that this Nets team has done all it can and is going nowhere fast.

 

[Netted]

The starters are putting up decent numbers for the most part. It's the bench that is horrible. Boki is it.

Our main back-up PG (Armstrong), main back-up SG (Wright), and main back-up big (Collins) can't score. If any one of them put up 6 or 7 point it's a huge night and that happens probably once every 15 games.

 

[Petey]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not capable of leading a team to a championship now.

-Petey</div>

Based upon what?
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Last 4 seasons? The way I see it, he fits in a category like Nash. Great player. even better in certain circumstances. Look at Duncan, Shaq, Jordon and the Dream even. As they got older they keep winning with new cast members. That's leading your team to a championship.

Having to sign player abc, draft xyz, and trade for 9 others in between, that play to a certain style comes down to being in the right place, at the right time.

-Petey

 

[Jizzy]

no thanks to Tmac.

getting amare would be a dream but not happening.

i dont like gasol we dont need a big soft european, we already got one. but id still trade for gasol just to break up the big three, who i am beginning to hate

 

[GMJ]

I'd jump at the Amare deal; it's probably the only one that would make the fan side of me part with Sean. Amare's a kind of guy that can drop 30/10/3(blocks) on a given night, and likes to play for 4 quarters (unlike the Nets who seem to show up for three).

 

[Dark Defender]

Trading Carter for McGrady does nothing for either team but Carter can actually play for most part of the season (never thought I would say that).

The other deals are right on the money. I would prefer the Nets trade Kidd and Carter though, I just want the team to move on.