RJ + Sean Williams is an Attractive Trade Package

[Kidd Karma]

Amare has an attitude. You win or lose with me, that's what we need here right now. The guy gives us 2 things we don't have, a low post offensive threat, a rebounder and his defense is not horrid. You team him with Magloire, things could get ugly in the paint for opposing slashers. You basically balance out your lineup, now you have a director, a scorer and a post up threat. You mix and match Boki and Wright at the other wing, Magloire would be an adequate starting center alongside Amare, mix in Allen and Collins to the bigs mix. Krstic is still the wild card in all this.

 

[Black Republican]

I'd do all these deals.

 

[User01]

do it thr0n

I think that's semi-plausible, and I'd rather trade Vince for Amare than RJ (and Sean)

Nets get younger, and and better big than their wing is. Phoenix gets cap relief, and a couple of good young players in Crawford and Lee, and the Nets pick if they want it. The Knicks, well, who the hell knows what they want, and I think they'd give up that package for Vince.

We could start running again with a team of Kidd/Wright/Jefferson/Stoudemire/Boone, with Sean, Boki, Marcus and eventually Krstic off the bench, I think that team could be better than the one we went to the finals with. plus, its pretty young too.

It won't happen though

 

[GMJ]

That trade would be amazing, but I don't think the Suns nor Knicks would do it.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Vuchato @ Jan 18 2008, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>do it thr0n

I think that's semi-plausible, and I'd rather trade Vince for Amare than RJ (and Sean)

Nets get younger, and and better big than their wing is. Phoenix gets cap relief, and a couple of good young players in Crawford and Lee, and the Nets pick if they want it. The Knicks, well, who the hell knows what they want, and I think they'd give up that package for Vince.

We could start running again with a team of Kidd/Wright/Jefferson/Stoudemire/Boone, with Sean, Boki, Marcus and eventually Krstic off the bench, I think that team could be better than the one we went to the finals with. plus, its pretty young too.

It won't happen though

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Who cares about runnin'? Get over it,we need a championship.

 

[GMJ]

With Jason Kidd running the team, running is necessary to achieving that goal.

 

[User01]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With Jason Kidd running the team, running is necessary to achieving that goal.</div>

yup. Kidd, Jefferson, Boone, Amare, Williams, Boki, Wright, and Marcus all play better on the break. Carter is the only important player on the team who doesn't. (Krstic is arguable) So if we decide to try and win with this team, we should run.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With Jason Kidd running the team, running is necessary to achieving that goal</div>
What goal? Ping pong balls?

 

[cpawfan]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 01:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Petey @ Jan 18 2008, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's not capable of leading a team to a championship now.

-Petey</div>

Based upon what?
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Last 4 seasons? The way I see it, he fits in a category like Nash. Great player. even better in certain circumstances. Look at Duncan, Shaq, Jordon and the Dream even. As they got older they keep winning with new cast members. That's leading your team to a championship.

Having to sign player abc, draft xyz, and trade for 9 others in between, that play to a certain style comes down to being in the right place, at the right time.

-Petey
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You are fooling yourself if you don't believe the Spurs have been built and retooled around Duncan. Plus Shaq and Jordan had a #2 that was better than the #2s Kidd has ever had.

Take a look at the careers of Wilt and the Big O. How a team is constructed is extremely important.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 18 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With Jason Kidd running the team, running is necessary to achieving that goal</div>
What goal? Ping pong balls?
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Winning. Jason Kidd-lead teams excell in the transition game. That is why it is necessary to run, and why running (which you dismiss) is synonomous with winning in this context.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 18 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With Jason Kidd running the team, running is necessary to achieving that goal</div>
What goal? Ping pong balls?
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Winning. Jason Kidd-lead teams excell in the transition game. That is why it is necessary to run, and why running (which you dismiss) is synonomous with winning in this context.
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So.U think,that this team(kidd,wright,rj,amare,boone) can win?

 

[GMJ]

If we go back to an emphasis on a transition game that starts by a dedication to defense, yes.

Amare is an animal, much more dominant that Kenyon was when we went to the finals those two years.

 

[Black Republican]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 10:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If we go back to an emphasis on a transition game that starts by a dedication to defense, yes.

Amare is an animal, much more dominant that Kenyon was when we went to the finals those two years.</div>
Are u serious? They gon play 3 Vs 5 on offense.And i dont see rj averagin' 24ppg with this lineup.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 18 2008, 09:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GMJigga @ Jan 18 2008, 09:03 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>With Jason Kidd running the team, running is necessary to achieving that goal</div>
What goal? Ping pong balls?
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Winning. Jason Kidd-lead teams excell in the transition game. That is why it is necessary to run, and why running (which you dismiss) is synonomous with winning in this context.
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I agree with you, and that's why that Gasol deal is listed last.

I chose those three players because I believe they are all available and would change the Nets significantly.

Whether they would be enough to beat the Pistons, Cavaliers or Celtics in a seven game series is up for discussion.

If the answer is no on all counts, then there's no point in continuing with this core.

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Black Republican @ Jan 18 2008, 10:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>They gon play 3 Vs 5 on offense.And i dont see rj averagin' 24ppg with this lineup.

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You're still thinking of scoring in terms of a half-court offense.

Although this seems to be on a different note, I do see Jefferson continuing to average 24 ppg. Just like we've seen with how he excelled with Vince playing with him, the opposition won't be able to double team RJ with Amare in the game.

 

[Joey FistPump]

The Suns have Nash and Marion to compliement Stoudimire with an far superior bench and there team hasn't won shit so will somebody explain how we can bring Amare in to mix with Vince and Jkidd and suddenly win a championship?

Keep in mind Collins and Boki are then bumped into the starting lineup with a bench consisting of Armstrong, Wright, Allen and Magliore.

PLEASE ALSO keep in mind that the Suns have Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell,Grant Hill, Marcus Banks and Brian Skinner...on the bench and haven't won shit...

SO HOW OH HOW WILL AMARE LEAD THE NETS TO THE PROMISED LAND?

 

[jirohkanzaki]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JCN is Gasol's best friend. He would have to be in any Gasol deal and the Grizzlies would need to be well compensated for him since they gave up a decent amount to get him</div>

if we can get La Bomba that's even better, we would get a low post scorer plus a spot-up shooter...the types of players we need. they can get anyone they like from the nets except jkidd and boone.

 

[ghoti]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jan 18 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JCN is Gasol's best friend. He would have to be in any Gasol deal and the Grizzlies would need to be well compensated for him since they gave up a decent amount to get him</div>

if we can get La Bomba that's even better, we would get a low post scorer plus a spot-up shooter...the types of players we need. they can get anyone they like from the nets except jkidd and boone.
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Why not Boone?

 

[GMJ]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 18 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns have Nash and Marion to compliement Stoudimire with an far superior bench and there team hasn't won shit so will somebody explain how we can bring Amare in to mix with Vince and Jkidd and suddenly win a championship?

Keep in mind Collins and Boki are then bumped into the starting lineup with a bench consisting of Armstrong, Wright, Allen and Magliore.

PLEASE ALSO keep in mind that the Suns have Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell,Grant Hill, Marcus Banks and Brian Skinner...on the bench and haven't won shit...

SO HOW OH HOW WILL AMARE LEAD THE NETS TO THE PROMISED LAND?</div>

If you might only calm yourself for one moment, you might see that the two teams play in two different conferences.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 18 2008, 12:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 18 2008, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Honestly I don't think we should try to improve the big three due to our lack of salary room and lack of bench...Honestly I think we should trade either RJ or Vince for 2-3 players in hopes of adding depth to our bench.</div>

Do you have an example of this that you believe will make the Nets realistic title contenders this season?

Remember, the idea is to win a title. If that can't be done with the current players, there's no point in keeping the team together.
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Here's an interesting propostion between Portland and New Jersey...

TRADE

Portland would also send there 2008 first rounder...

It would help both teams giving us a quality backup pointguard in Rodriquez, a backup SG/SF in Outlaw and a new younger starting SF in Martell Webster. Raef Lafrentz will be a valuable expiring contract in 2009 and therefore a trade asset for next season. The first rounder could then allow us to further develop our bench in this years draft.

For Portland they would get a star SF in Jefferson who next to Roy and Aldridge could instantly upgrade there title shots this season. Magliore would provide spark off the bench and cap relief for the next season. Portland has done a tremendous job in the draft but with there already loaded roster and there foriegn players waiting to come over next season they have not need for there draft pick.

just a thought.

 

[GMJ]

Oh boy I had no idea Raef's contract was so bad. If he comes here he'll make Collins look like a fan fav by comparison.

 

[Lavalamp]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 18 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns have Nash and Marion to compliement Stoudimire with an far superior bench and there team hasn't won shit so will somebody explain how we can bring Amare in to mix with Vince and Jkidd and suddenly win a championship?

Keep in mind Collins and Boki are then bumped into the starting lineup with a bench consisting of Armstrong, Wright, Allen and Magliore.

PLEASE ALSO keep in mind that the Suns have Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell,Grant Hill, Marcus Banks and Brian Skinner...on the bench and haven't won shit...

SO HOW OH HOW WILL AMARE LEAD THE NETS TO THE PROMISED LAND?</div>

Well if the Suns were in the East the last few years, they probably would have made it to the Finals a couple of times by now. The path to the Finals from the East has been a lot easier the last decade. The Suns were better than last year's Cleveland, on the same level as the Heat Champions, and with an injured Joe Johnson probably would have lost to Detroit, but if he was healthy then it could go either way.

 

[Joey FistPump]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lavalamp @ Jan 19 2008, 12:25 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jloc857 @ Jan 18 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Suns have Nash and Marion to compliement Stoudimire with an far superior bench and there team hasn't won shit so will somebody explain how we can bring Amare in to mix with Vince and Jkidd and suddenly win a championship?

Keep in mind Collins and Boki are then bumped into the starting lineup with a bench consisting of Armstrong, Wright, Allen and Magliore.

PLEASE ALSO keep in mind that the Suns have Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, Raja Bell,Grant Hill, Marcus Banks and Brian Skinner...on the bench and haven't won shit...

SO HOW OH HOW WILL AMARE LEAD THE NETS TO THE PROMISED LAND?</div>

Well if the Suns were in the East the last few years, they probably would have made it to the Finals a couple of times by now. The path to the Finals from the East has been a lot easier the last decade. The Suns were better than last year's Cleveland, on the same level as the Heat Champions, and with an injured Joe Johnson probably would have lost to Detroit, but if he was healthy then it could go either way.
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It has been but now you got two teams in Boston and Detriot that are absolutley rough...I wouldn't sleep on the Cavs or Toronto either come playoff time.

 

[NOMAM]

Four way trade Nets-Magic-Pacers-Sixers

Nets trades:

Vince Carter, Sean Williams, Jamaal Magloire, Jason Collins, Darell Armstrong, Malik Allen, 1st round pick to the Pacers, 1st round pick to the Sixers

Nets receive:

Jermaine O'Neil, Andre Iguodala, Troy Murphy

Why: Get Iguodala and O'Neil.

Orlando trades:

Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Keith Bogans, JJ Redick, James Augstine, 1st round pick to the Pacers

Orlando receives:

Vince Carter, Marquis Daniels, Malik Allen, Darell Armstrong

Why: Get Vince Carter to bolster their backcourt

Indiana trades:

Jermaine O'Neil, Troy Murphy, Marquis Daniels

Indiana receives:

Jamaal Magloire, Jason Collins, Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Keith Bogans, JJ Redick, first round pick from the Nets and Magic

Why: Huge salary dump and get some picks

Philadephia trades:

Andre Iguodala

Philadelphia receives:

Sean Williams, James Augustine, 1st round pick from the Nets

Why: Get a nice young player in Sean Williams and a 1st round pick for Iguodala if they don't want to pay him the big extension he wants.


Nets lineup:

Kidd/M.Williams
Iguodala/Wright
Jefferson/Nachbar
O'Neil/Boone
Krstic/Murphy


Magic lineup:

Nelson/Armstrong
Carter/Daniels
Turkoglu/Evans
Lewis/Cook/Allen
Howard/Foyle

 

[cpawfan]

Any deal involving the Nets getting JON isn't worth the electrons it is presented with. If Kidd is still on the roster, the goal is not to go backwards.

 

[ghoti]

The Blazers are not looking to change one thing. Forget that.

The Nets are not trading six players and two first round picks to take back JON, Troy Murphy's horrible contract, and the right to pay Iggy long term when they already have RJ. C'mon now.

 

[Netsfan318]

oh brother here we go again...I wish some people would actually read what's going on in these places, first off T-mac is on the block for a smaller contract & why oh why do I unite him w/ his cousin

can you imagine all the broken plays between 1/2 man,1/2 a season & 1/2 da man, he use to be amazing....

and why are we trading Sean Williams he is just scratching the surface.

The Amare deal makes some sense but again I wish some of us would read up on what's going on in PHX, Hill is playing good but they want to make the backcourt a threat, coming next season Amare is slated to make 15 M, then 16 M and finishing off w/ 17 M... now IMO he is worth it but your giving more than you have to. Steve Kerr may probably do this deal for Boone and VC or Kirstic and VC, to make the backcourt stronger and have a go to guy come the playoffs. Why Kerr might trade Amare he wants a go to guy and a durable piece over a good gamble in Amare. And there has been whispers Amare is frustrated eversince the KG talks.

I could see something like this as enough Amare trade



Now trade #3, not a chance in hell that I make that deal, again RJ isn't the problem, Sean Williams is promising in yr.1 doing more than some noticeable rookies have done in the NBA at 21 can you imagine when he fills out and Gasol turns this team into a 1/2 court chucking team, and most likely Kidd would have to go.

 

[Netsfan318]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (NOMAM @ Jan 19 2008, 01:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Four way trade Nets-Magic-Pacers-Sixers

Nets trades:

Vince Carter, Sean Williams, Jamaal Magloire, Jason Collins, Darell Armstrong, Malik Allen, 1st round pick to the Pacers, 1st round pick to the Sixers

Nets receive:

Jermaine O'Neil, Andre Iguodala, Troy Murphy

Why: Get Iguodala and O'Neil.

Orlando trades:

Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Keith Bogans, JJ Redick, James Augstine, 1st round pick to the Pacers

Orlando receives:

Vince Carter, Marquis Daniels, Malik Allen, Darell Armstrong

Why: Get Vince Carter to bolster their backcourt

Indiana trades:

Jermaine O'Neil, Troy Murphy, Marquis Daniels

Indiana receives:

Jamaal Magloire, Jason Collins, Carlos Arroyo, Keyon Dooling, Pat Garrity, Keith Bogans, JJ Redick, first round pick from the Nets and Magic

Why: Huge salary dump and get some picks

Philadephia trades:

Andre Iguodala

Philadelphia receives:

Sean Williams, James Augustine, 1st round pick from the Nets

Why: Get a nice young player in Sean Williams and a 1st round pick for Iguodala if they don't want to pay him the big extension he wants.


Nets lineup:

Kidd/M.Williams
Iguodala/Wright
Jefferson/Nachbar
O'Neil/Boone
Krstic/Murphy


Magic lineup:

Nelson/Armstrong
Carter/Daniels
Turkoglu/Evans
Lewis/Cook/Allen
Howard/Foyle</div>

walk away from the PS3 controller

 

[JAMES.SLIMM]

Please no more JON trade proposals, he's out for 2 weeks with some sort of pain in his Knees, JON he's to fragile right now and he isn't worth trading for honestly, just my opinion

 

[jirohkanzaki]

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti @ Jan 18 2008, 11:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jirohkanzaki @ Jan 18 2008, 11:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cpawfan @ Jan 18 2008, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>JCN is Gasol's best friend. He would have to be in any Gasol deal and the Grizzlies would need to be well compensated for him since they gave up a decent amount to get him</div>

if we can get La Bomba that's even better, we would get a low post scorer plus a spot-up shooter...the types of players we need. they can get anyone they like from the nets except jkidd and boone.
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Why not Boone?
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boone because he is now a better player than sean willaims and if we trade both of them for gasol then pau's frontcourt partner will be twin which will make the trade worthless as it will not improve the nets...