Robin Lopez Is Even Better Than You Think

[PapaG]

17 PER
14.7 USG

All-time, here is the list of players who average > 30mpg, have a PER of at least 17, and and a USG of less than or equal to 15.

If Ropez maintains this for an entire season, he joins some very rare company. What's odd about this list to me is that De'Andre Jordan is listed for this season, while RoLo isn't on the list.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...tat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

Edit - RoLo makes it if you change the PER to 16.9. Must be a rounding issue.

http://www.basketball-reference.com...tat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=ws

 

[cmeese47]

PER vs. Usage is very overrated.

Durant's PER to Usage is only 1.0003 yet he is the league MVP and best player right now.

The point is if Lopez was better then his usage would rise.

Also just as a stat check Lopez USG is 13.1 not 14.7 just FYI.

 

[Rhal]

PER vs. Usage is very overrated.

Durant's PER to Usage is only 1.0003 yet he is the league MVP and best player right now.

The point is if Lopez was better then his usage would rise.

Also just as a stat check Lopez USG is 13.1 not 14.7 just FYI.

This is why looking at just a few different stats never tell the whole story. Anyone who watch's the Blasers could tell you Lopez is not a guy you work to get a shot, he isn't someone who could handle the focal point of being an offense or even a top 3 option so he shouldn't have a high usage rate.
That being said Lopez has been a godsend he reminds me a lot of the Vanilla Gorilla and his personality fits portland like a glove.

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[cmeese47]

This is why looking at just a few different stats never tell the whole story. Anyone who watch's the Blasers could tell you Lopez is not a guy you work to get a shot, he isn't someone who could handle the focal point of being an offense or even a top 3 option so he shouldn't have a high usage rate.
That being said Lopez has been a godsend he reminds me a lot of the Vanilla Gorilla and his personality fits portland like a glove.

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He has meshed very well you will get no argument out of me on that.

 

[PapaG]

PER vs. Usage is very overrated.

Durant's PER to Usage is only 1.0003 yet he is the league MVP and best player right now.

The point is if Lopez was better then his usage would rise.

Also just as a stat check Lopez USG is 13.1 not 14.7 just FYI.

The higher the PER, the more impressive the ratio. Clearly a PER of 31 on an almost 1/1 ratio is top notch for a primary ballhandler, and based on the metrics, are better than Ropez's number. Durant's numbers are elite. I'm not at all saying that Lopez is more valuable than Durant. I'm not sure why you offered those stats, but then again, I don't really understand you as a poster yet, either.

Also, not sure where you got 13.1, but the link I showed now has Lopez at 14.1.

If you thought the point of this thread was saying that Lopez is a better player than Durant, then you're probably not cut out for this board in terms of making intellectually comparative posts. I wasn't at all comparing Lopez to Durant. Not once, yet you hi-jacked the thread to add whatever it is you think you added.

 

[cmeese47]

I was just merely suggesting that Lopez isn't better than we all expected because his PER vs Usage is better than 1. He is better than we all expected because he makes his teammates better and fills his role really well despite not being great in any area.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate/order/false here is the link I used to get Lopez USG number.

The inclusion of Durant was to merely suggest that relying on a single stat to make a point is often not the best idea. Everyone knows Durant is clearly better overall.

 

[riverman]

Unselfish teams succeed and fail together. Individual stats are misleading when you factor in team play. Robin is having a career year. He's a huge factor in the success of this team. A guy like Cousins is more talented but it doesn't lead to team success. You either like Stotts system or you don't. I happen to like it.

 

[PapaG]

I was just merely suggesting that Lopez isn't better than we all expected because his PER vs Usage is better than 1. He is better than we all expected because he makes his teammates better and fills his role really well despite not being great in any area.

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/statistics/_/sort/usageRate/order/false here is the link I used to get Lopez USG number.

The inclusion of Durant was to merely suggest that relying on a single stat to make a point is often not the best idea. Everyone knows Durant is clearly better overall.

I offered a list of players with similar numbers to Lopez. I found the list to be impressive. You offered Kevin Durant as a counter-argument for some reason. I wasn't comparing RoLo to Durant, which should seem obvious.

 

[PapaG]

Kevin Durant is better than RoLo. It's that kind of NBA expertise we get now at S2! :MARIS61:

Here's another shocker. RoLo isn't as good as LeBron James, either. Rack me!

 

[PapaG]

PER vs. Usage is very overrated.

I disagree, at least when comparing players with similar PERs.

I'd much rather have a player at the same position (let's say center) with a PER of 17 and a USG of 14 than a center with a PER of 17 and a USG of 25. Obviously, the higher the PER, the more difficult it becomes to have a ratio near 1, which makes Durant's season all the more incredible. I'd rather have my primary scorer have a PER of 30 and a USG of 29 than a PER of 25 and a USG of 35, or even a PER of 25 and USG of 25.

 

[cmeese47]

Fair enough so how would you then rate LA's season a 27.7 USG and 22.44 PER?

 

[Denny Crane]

Unselfish teams succeed and fail together. Individual stats are misleading when you factor in team play. Robin is having a career year. He's a huge factor in the success of this team. A guy like Cousins is more talented but it doesn't lead to team success. You either like Stotts system or you don't. I happen to like it.

Wasn't last season his career best? Not this

 

[cmeese47]

Wasn't last season his career best? Not this

Better scoring wise and more blocks per game but his rebounds were down and the Pelicans were not very good. He has made Portland better and been more well rounded overall this year.

 

[PapaG]

Fair enough so how would you then rate LA's season a 27.7 USG and 22.44 PER?

All-Star level

 

[cmeese47]

All-Star level

Thanks for the insight Captain Obvious.

 

[riverman]

Wasn't last season his career best? Not this

He's far surpassed his collective double double record up to this season in this season alone. He's also the fifth option on offense this year as opposed to last. His rebounds are up It's by far the best year of his career by his own reckoning

 

[jlprk]

All-time, here is the list of players who average > 30mpg, have a PER of at least 17, and and a USG of less than or equal to 15.

PER and usage weren't stats till 1976-77, so you should say, for the last 37 years.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

PER vs. Usage is very overrated.

Durant's PER to Usage is only 1.0003 yet he is the league MVP and best player right now.

I've been thinking about this for a while now, and I think that PER vs USG is kind of the Sparkplug Factor. Lopez is a huge sparkplug for us, highly efficient for the amount of offensive usage he gets. Durant's Per vs Usage of 1.0 is pretty fucking amazing given his huge USG. Usage and efficiency follow different curves; Usage can go up linearly, because players can always just control the ball more. But PER is logrithmic, where it's easier to move from 13 to 15 than it is to move from 23 to 25. So it's expected that, in the 20's, having a PER anywhere near your USG (~0.8 or better, maybe?) is a sign you're an amazing player.

All this is trying to normalize math to an eye test though, so it's really rough.