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hoopsjock said:
OB, I'm not saying those guys are gone. I've actually said the opposite that I think Kanter and Hood might be back. What you are saying is technically against the CBA rules, even though it does likely occur all the time.

There is a difference between those guys being willing to accept one year deals and making a bunch of trades to free up money to pay them more this summer. Lets not mix the two.
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Hey, Im not CBA buff. That's why I have guys like you. LOL. Set me straight. Im just saying, I think some how, some way, we will have them back next year if we make the WFC.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Hey, Im not CBA buff. That's why I have guys like you. LOL. Set me straight. Im just saying, I think some how, some way, we will have them back next year if we make the WFC.
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Yes, I somewhat agree with you but that is a different statement than believing we will pull off a bunch of miracle trades to save our summer.
 
Im not going to say its impossible for Olshey to be creative enough to make it work:

Meyers for Galloway makes sense both ways.
Galloway for Patterson makes sense both ways.

Thats not all that unrealistic if you maybe throw a 2nd round pick and some cash in each.

The problem is trading Turner. Maybe you can convince a team like Atlanta to trade Miles Plumlee and a min. Contract and one of their 2nd round picks for Turner and our 2019 1st.

By waiving and stretching Patterson and Plumlee, we'd save apx. $24M total, leaving about $6M of cap space. When July hits, maybe Atlanta would do Prince for Harkless and a 1st. Thatd leave us with apx. $14M in cap space (accounting for 2 cap holds)

Kanter for $8.5M, Hood for $6.5M (one hold erased), and then Layman with the room exception.

Obviously thats a pipedream and a long series of moves but Im not going to say its impossible to clear space. Any series of moves like that gives us a chance.
 
BonesJones said:
Im not going to say its impossible for Olshey to be creative enough to make it work:

Meyers for Galloway makes sense both ways.
Galloway for Patterson makes sense both ways.

Thats not all that unrealistic if you maybe throw a 2nd round pick and some cash in each.

The problem is trading Turner. Maybe you can convince a team like Atlanta to trade Miles Plumlee and a min. Contract and one of their 2nd round picks for Turner and our 2019 1st.

By waiving and stretching Patterson and Plumlee, we'd save apx. $24M total, leaving about $6M of cap space. When July hits, maybe Atlanta would do Prince for Harkless and a 1st. Thatd leave us with apx. $14M in cap space (accounting for 2 cap holds)

Kanter for $8.5M, Hood for $6.5M (one hold erased), and then Layman with the room exception.

Obviously thats a pipedream and a long series of moves but Im not going to say its impossible to clear space. Any series of moves like that gives us a chance.
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Why give up all those picks to stretch players when we can stretch the ones we have already?

Meyers stretched is a $3.75million hit for three years, Patterson is $1.9million

Turner would be $6.2million hit, Plumlee $4.2million.

So we basically drop two picks to get rid of $3.8million. I don't think it's worth the hassle.
 
BonesJones said:
Im not going to say its impossible for Olshey to be creative enough to make it work:

Meyers for Galloway makes sense both ways.
Galloway for Patterson makes sense both ways.

Thats not all that unrealistic if you maybe throw a 2nd round pick and some cash in each.

The problem is trading Turner. Maybe you can convince a team like Atlanta to trade Miles Plumlee and a min. Contract and one of their 2nd round picks for Turner and our 2019 1st.

By waiving and stretching Patterson and Plumlee, we'd save apx. $24M total, leaving about $6M of cap space. When July hits, maybe Atlanta would do Prince for Harkless and a 1st. Thatd leave us with apx. $14M in cap space (accounting for 2 cap holds)

Kanter for $8.5M, Hood for $6.5M (one hold erased), and then Layman with the room exception.

Obviously thats a pipedream and a long series of moves but Im not going to say its impossible to clear space. Any series of moves like that gives us a chance.
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Bones, I think you're letting your wish for this to happen cloud your judgement on trades.

Why would Meyers for Galloway make sense for Detroit? Meyers makes more money. They already have their version of Meyers making about the same money in Leuer. Galloway, while not great, plays a position where they actually need depth at.

Even if you pulled that first move off, I don't see OKC adding to their enormous payroll (they're already over the tax line) just to exchange crappy players.

The rest of what you're saying would be a disaster. You'd lose two starters (Aminu and Harkless) and two 1st round picks for Prince and the ability to maybe re-sign Kanter and Hood? Plus the real kicker is that our cap situation would be even more fucked over the next 3 years with the addition of even more dead money on the books. Then on top of all that we lose all our expirings and two draft picks in which we could've possibly used to acquire someone worthwhile by the deadline next year.

All so we can give Kanter and Hood a couple extra million? No thanks.
 
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hoopsjock said:
Bone, I think you're letting your wish for this to happen cloud your judgement on trades.

Why would Meyers for Galloway make sense for Detroit? Meyers makes more money. They already have their version of Meyers making about the same money in Leuer. Galloway, while not great, plays a position where they actually need depth at.

Even if you pulled that first move off, I don't see OKC adding to their enormous payroll (they're already over the tax line) just to exchange crappy players.

The rest of what you're saying would be a disaster. You'd lose two starters (Aminu and Harkless) and two 1st round picks for Prince and the ability to maybe re-sign Kanter and Hood? Plus the real kicker is that our cap situation would be even more fucked over the next 3 years with the addition of even more dead money on the books. Then on top of all that we lose all our expirings and two draft picks in which we could've possibly used to acquire someone worthwhile by the deadline next year.

All so we can give Kanter and Hood a couple extra million? No thanks.
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you're fighting the good fight hoopsjock, but pipe dreams are a moving target

* first of all, can we please dispense with the idea that somehow, Portland could trade both ET and Meyers and not take any salary back? And by any, I mean substantial. And can we also stop thinking that somehow, Portland could trade both players by only attaching one first round pick?. For chrissakes, ET has been horrible in the playoffs and Meyers isn't playing. Those two have substantial negative value

* Portland is scheduled for over 127M in guaranteed & dead salary right now if I'm reading the numbers right. That's for 10 players. And, the cap-holds for Aminu, Hood, Curry, Kanter, and Layman are around 24M. Aminu's cap-hold alone is 13.2M

* even if by some ridiculous miracle Portland dumped ET and Meyers for no salary, they would still be over the cap with just Aminu's cap-hold. Portland will not have cap-space this summer...that's pretty clear

so all of this fictional maneuvering is just for the difference between the tax-MLE and the full-MLE. That's about 3.5M. Almost every trade idea I see isn't worth that minor gain

The biggest question is still the same IMO: how much tax is Jody Allen willing to pay next year
 
wizenheimer said:
you're fighting the good fight hoopsjock, but pipe dreams are a moving target

* first of all, can we please dispense with the idea that somehow, Portland could trade both ET and Meyers and not take any salary back? And by any, I mean substantial. And can we also stop thinking that somehow, Portland could trade both players by only attaching one first round pick?. For chrissakes, ET has been horrible in the playoffs and Meyers isn't playing. Those two have substantial negative value

* Portland is scheduled for over 127M in guaranteed & dead salary right now if I'm reading the numbers right. That's for 10 players. And, the cap-holds for Aminu, Hood, Curry, Kanter, and Layman are around 24M. Aminu's cap-hold alone is 13.2M

* even if by some ridiculous miracle Portland dumped ET and Meyers for no salary, they would still be over the cap with just Aminu's cap-hold. Portland will not have cap-space this summer...that's pretty clear

so all of this fictional maneuvering is just for the difference between the tax-MLE and the full-MLE. That's about 3.5M. Almost every trade idea I see isn't worth that minor gain

The biggest question is still the same IMO: how much tax is Jody Allen willing to pay next year
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Jody was at the last two games (and I believe she's been at every home game in the playoffs so far). I gotta say, it really looks like she's getting wrapped up in Blazer Mania. At the very least she saw and heard first hand how much this city supports their team. In the 4OT game she was standing and going crazy like all of us fans through most of the overtimes. During the timeouts she was up clapping too.

What does this mean? It might mean nothing. Heck, maybe she just wanted to do whatever it took this season to honor Paul and once the season ends she'll move on to trying to sell the team or not wanting to pay the tax. It could also be that I witnessed her fall in love with the Blazers and just maybe she became a fan. One can hope right?
 
hoopsjock said:
Jody was at the last two games (and I believe she's been at every home game in the playoffs so far). I gotta say, it really looks like she's getting wrapped up in Blazer Mania. At the very least she saw and heard first hand how much this city supports their team. In the 4OT game she was standing and going crazy like all of us fans through most of the overtimes. During the timeouts she was up clapping too.

What does this mean? It might mean nothing. Heck, maybe she just wanted to do whatever it took this season to honor Paul and once the season ends she'll move on to trying to sell the team or not wanting to pay the tax. It could also be that I witnessed her fall in love with the Blazers and just maybe she became a fan. One can hope right?
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I noticed her attendance and nothing about that is a bad sign...all good. But even if she's a fan now and willing to ride out owning the Blazers for a few years, she might not have as big a stomach for tax-paying as Paul did

so (check my math), it is the best of all possible free agent worlds...Aminu re-signs for 9M 1st year; Kanter re-signs for 5.5 tax-MLE; Hood re-signs for 4.1M non-Bird; Curry re-signs for 3.4M non-Bird. Blazers are now 17M over the tax-line and the only remaining question is Layman or the 1st round pick. Say Layman for 3M (too low?). 20M over the line which yields a 45M tax bill....yikes! I just can't see how she'd OK that, no matter how much she loves the Blazers now. I guess maybe as a one-off is the Blazers make it to the WC finals and give the Warriors a good fight, but even then

IMO, the Blazers don't need that 25th pick. They don't need another Simons or Trent or Skal that petrify on the bench. I don't believe the first would be enough to more ET but it could be enough to move Meyers, maybe with no salary coming back. That would carve about 28M of that 45M away, but the timing of the draft is way off in relation to off-season cap-space
 
wizenheimer said:
I noticed her attendance and nothing about that is a bad sign...all good. But even if she's a fan now and willing to ride out owning the Blazers for a few years, she might not have as big a stomach for tax-paying as Paul did

so (check my math), it is the best of all possible free agent worlds...Aminu re-signs for 9M 1st year; Kanter re-signs for 5.5 tax-MLE; Hood re-signs for 4.1M non-Bird; Curry re-signs for 3.4M non-Bird. Blazers are now 17M over the tax-line and the only remaining question is Layman or the 1st round pick. Say Layman for 3M (too low?). 20M over the line which yields a 45M tax bill....yikes! I just can't see how she'd OK that, no matter how much she loves the Blazers now. I guess maybe as a one-off is the Blazers make it to the WC finals and give the Warriors a good fight, but even then

IMO, the Blazers don't need that 25th pick. They don't need another Simons or Trent or Skal that petrify on the bench. I don't believe the first would be enough to more ET but it could be enough to move Meyers, maybe with no salary coming back. That would carve about 28M of that 45M away, but the timing of the draft is way off in relation to off-season cap-space
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What's more likely is trading a 2020 1st to get rid of one of them based on the timing. Even if it's Meyers, that would make them roughly $10 million into the tax (going off your numbers). That's not too crazy. Besides they'd still have until the trade deadline next year to reduce that number further. That's where trades like the ones @BonesJones suggested might come into play where we trade a Turner for someone just as crappy but making a couple million less. The best case scenario doesn't have to automatically default to the worst case tax-wise.
 
hoopsjock said:
What's more likely is trading a 2020 1st to get rid of one of them based on the timing. Even if it's Meyers, that would make them roughly $10 million into the tax (going off your numbers). That's not too crazy. Besides they'd still have until the trade deadline next year to reduce that number further. That's where trades like the ones @BonesJones suggested might come into play where we trade a Turner for someone just as crappy but making a couple million less. The best case scenario doesn't have to automatically default to the worst case tax-wise.
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I'd rather swap Turner out over Meyers. With Nurk being out half the year, having depth at C is a good thing.

Even if it's something like ET + Pick -> Dellavedova ($9.6M expiring contract). We still dump $10M, but arguably have a better roster fit.
 
tester551 said:
I'd rather swap Turner out over Meyers. With Nurk being out half the year, having depth at C is a good thing.

Even if it's something like ET + Pick -> Dellavedova ($9.6M expiring contract). We still dump $10M, but arguably have a better roster fit.
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I know it's just an example but the Cavs won't have the cap space to pull off that trade so that's a dead end. I'd love to trade ET instead but it's a lot more difficult. I'm going to continue to hold out hope that we can trade our expirings for someone useful even though the market will be flooded.
 
rotary111 said:
In a playoff game, down 1 with seconds to go, Dame gets trapped and is looking for someone to pass it to that can actually hit a shot......I trust Rodney.

This was an underrated pickup.
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He hasn't been a Blazer that long but already has a few really clutch 3's, last night was one, that shot in the 4th OT vs Denver was basically worth his entire contract. That was just straight beautiful.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
He hasn't been a Blazer that long but already has a few really clutch 3's, last night was one, that shot in the 4th OT vs Denver was basically worth his entire contract. That was just straight beautiful.
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You mean the shot in the Third or was it Fourth OT against Denver right?
 
wizenheimer said:
you're fighting the good fight hoopsjock, but pipe dreams are a moving target

* first of all, can we please dispense with the idea that somehow, Portland could trade both ET and Meyers and not take any salary back? And by any, I mean substantial. And can we also stop thinking that somehow, Portland could trade both players by only attaching one first round pick?. For chrissakes, ET has been horrible in the playoffs and Meyers isn't playing. Those two have substantial negative value

The biggest question is still the same IMO: how much tax is Jody Allen willing to pay next year
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This is quite interesting. We traded both ET and Meyers and took on some salary, but no years. And we did it without any firsts!
 
rotary111 said:
In a playoff game, down 1 with seconds to go, Dame gets trapped and is looking for someone to pass it to that can actually hit a shot......I trust Rodney.

This was an underrated pickup.
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IMO he's better than Baze, would really like to trade Baze to OKC for Gallo and a protected FRP
 
Blazinaway said:
I am not so crazy about Baze, much prefer Hood
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They bring different things to the team. Hood is a reliable scorer that we can put along the perimeter and he's going to hit shots. That's something we have been sorely missing with Aminu and Harkless.

Baze is a defensive monster. He's a ball of energy. He disrupts offenses. He's great coming off the bench and giving us a spark.

I really like both of them.
 
Natebishop3 said:
They bring different things to the team. Hood is a reliable scorer that we can put along the perimeter and he's going to hit shots. That's something we have been sorely missing with Aminu and Harkless.

Baze is a defensive monster. He's a ball of energy. He disrupts offenses. He's great coming off the bench and giving us a spark.

I really like both of them.
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I feel like you'd have an all star if you combined the two.
 
kjironman1 said:
Now that i actually read it. He sure did. Hot Damn. I even quoted the statement. Even more so i was so entranced by the memory i couldn't even remember if it was the 3 or 4 OT's. WT actual F was i thinking here?
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I was gonna let it slide and assume you just needed more coffee. :)
 
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