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crandc said:
Add one more decision in cross hairs. Texas white supremacist governor Abbott has asked the court to overturn a previous 5-4 decision establishing children of undocumented immigrants have the right to attend public schools. He wants all those kids kicked out of school.
Because they love children so much, right?
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If we needed more proof that the GOP just uses unborn babies as political grandstanding, look no more than their record of helping kids out once they're born.

Like the joke says, they go all out to help the unborn babies, but once they're born, fuck off you ain't getting MY money!
 
crandc said:
Add one more decision in cross hairs. Texas white supremacist governor Abbott has asked the court to overturn a previous 5-4 decision establishing children of undocumented immigrants have the right to attend public schools. He wants all those kids kicked out of school.
Because they love children so much, right?
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And now segregation
 
julius said:
I like how they'll cry that it's not misogyny, racism or bigotry but then every thing they do basically creates more power for white males.
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They are working pretty quickly to tear down every bit of progress over the past 100 years.
 
julius said:
I like how they'll cry that it's not misogyny, racism or bigotry but then every thing they do basically creates more power for white males.
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Gotta make America great again
 
Road Ratt said:
With Roe Under Threat, Sale of Location Data on Abortion Clinic Patients Raises Alarm

"Companies that traffic in personal, geolocation, advertising, or other data could become digital crime scenes for eager prosecutors armed with subpoenas," said one expert on technology and gender.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...on-data-abortion-clinic-patients-raises-alarm
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Yep, all online traffic should be encrypted end to end. Not even your ISP should know what you're doing.
 
I get all of the anger at Republican hypocrisy on this issue, but at some point the question needs to turn to the real issue underlying the leaked SCOTUS draft. Ultimately, this is a states' rights issue in that, unless there are legitimate rights to be found in the US constitution, states have the ability to adopt laws limiting access to abortion. Ruth Bader Ginsburg opposed Roe v Wade as a means to guaranteeing abortion access, not because she opposed such rights, but because she knew that its reliance on a strained interpretation to right to privacy meant that it could be overturned by a future conservative court. It's ironic that she ultimately helped bring that prediction to fact by refusing to step down so that Obama could nominate a liberal to replace her. She advocated that access to abortion could be more reliably protected by using an argument that denying such rights ultimately denied women equal protection in that men have an inherent advantage in their careers if women can't control if and when they want to bear children. It seems to me that it's inevitable that a future abortion rights case will take this tact, but it will probably have to wait until the Court isn't so skewed to a conservative viewpoint. In the meantime, there are undoubtedly things that can be done at a state level to try to promote more liberal candidates and laws in states that aren't deeply Republican. Democrats will no doubt use this issue to garner greater voter turnout among their supporters. It could well be that this issue comes to haunt Republicans in future elections.
 
Sine the country is so diverse and split on all issues, just seems more practical to allow States to be more de-centralized and representative of what politics and citizens preference are. The idea that the fed can and should established the one shoe fits all will never fly on all issues.
People can live where it lines up with their beliefs, that way they can have more impact on State and local politics/government.
 
I have never in my life seen a pregnant state.

Since people have strong views what makes sense, the only thing that makes sense, is for each person to decide her own pregnancy, based in her own views and circumstances.

Tell me, you men who want states to decide, which if your personal health care choices are you ready to have made a crime?
 
How many people get abortions in Oregon?

Abortions in Oregon: What the data shows
PORTLAND, Ore. — With the U.S. Supreme Court expected to overturn the Roe v. Wade ruling that protects abortion rights across the country, based on a leaked draft opinion, focus has shifted to abortions at the state level.

So, how many abortions are provided in Oregon each year, how many people seeking abortions are from out of state and how has this changed over time?


The Oregon Health Authority tracks and reports induced abortions performed in Oregon. An induced abortion is an intentional procedure carried out to end a pregnancy, as opposed to a spontaneous abortion or miscarriage.

From 2018 to this 2022, residents in the Multnomah, Washington and Clackamas Counties made up about half of all induced abortions in Oregon, per OHA.

The data for 2021 and 2022 is still preliminary and subject to adjustments.

The number of abortions reported in Oregon in 2020 and 2021 were the lowest of any years that OHA has tracked. Both nationally and in Oregon, the abortion rate has been declining for decades. In the 1990s and early 2000s in Oregon, about 14,000 induced abortions were performed each year. Now, the annual number is less than half of that.



Preliminary data from 2021 shows about 6,577 abortions were carried out last year.

As Oregon is one of few states with no legal restrictions on abortion, people from other states may travel to Oregon for more options and consultations.

Over the last five years, OHA data shows about 9.5% of people getting abortions in Oregon live in another state.

If the Roe v. Wade ruling is overturned, some analysts project demand for abortion and health services in Oregon could increase as other states, such as Idaho, could restrict legal access.

Planned Parenthood is expected to open a clinic on the Oregon-Idaho border in Ontario soon, after lobbying Oregon lawmakers for $15 million in funding. The organization has leased a clinic, but it’s not operating yet.

Additionally, a New York Times analysis of CDC explains who is most likely to get an abortion. They found the most typical patient is a single woman in her late 20s. Six in 10 people who have an abortion are already mothers, and nearly half are low-income women. About 92% of all abortions occur in the first 13 weeks of pregnancy, with a large majority in the first trimester.
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The Satanic Temple says they will open religious abortion centers in states that ban abortion.

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SlyPokerDog said:
The Satanic Temple says they will open religious abortion centers in states that ban abortion.

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The Satanic Temple:

There are Seven FUNDAMENTAL TENETS

I

One should strive to act with compassion and empathy toward all creatures in accordance with reason.

II

The struggle for justice is an ongoing and necessary pursuit that should prevail over laws and institutions.

III

One’s body is inviolable, subject to one’s own will alone.

IV

The freedoms of others should be respected, including the freedom to offend. To willfully and unjustly encroach upon the freedoms of another is to forgo one's own.

V

Beliefs should conform to one's best scientific understanding of the world. One should take care never to distort scientific facts to fit one's beliefs.

VI

People are fallible. If one makes a mistake, one should do one's best to rectify it and resolve any harm that might have been caused.

VII

Every tenet is a guiding principle designed to inspire nobility in action and thought. The spirit of compassion, wisdom, and justice should always prevail over the written or spoken word.

www.thesatanictemple.com
 
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crandc said:
I have never in my life seen a pregnant state.

Since people have strong views what makes sense, the only thing that makes sense, is for each person to decide her own pregnancy, based in her own views and circumstances.

Tell me, you men who want states to decide, which if your personal health care choices are you ready to have made a crime?
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I'm not sure if this is in response to what I wrote above. If so, you misunderstood the point I was making, which was legal in nature. Under our system of government, as imperfect and screwed up as it may be, all powers and rights not specifically listed in the Constitution as being under federal jurisdiction remain with the states. Only when a state law conflicts with rights protected by the Constitution can federal courts rule it invalid. Roe v Wade tried to stretch privacy protections to cover abortion. The current conservative majority of the SCOTUS appears to disagree with that interpretation. It doesn't matter how we as citizens, whether we have ovaries or testicles, may feel about that interpretation. Unless someone can bring a case that convinces the court that abortion is protected on other grounds, the power to regulate abortion will go back to the discretion of individual states. As it happens, I would prefer that a future SCOTUS make a ruling based on equal protection, as RBG proposed. In practicality, nobody gives a shit what I think.
 
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crandc said:
I have never in my life seen a pregnant state.

Since people have strong views what makes sense, the only thing that makes sense, is for each person to decide her own pregnancy, based in her own views and circumstances.

Tell me, you men who want states to decide, which if your personal health care choices are you ready to have made a crime?
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Women no matter where they live should have the right to choose.
 
Hoopguru said:
Sine the country is so diverse and split on all issues, just seems more practical to allow States to be more de-centralized and representative of what politics and citizens preference are. The idea that the fed can and should established the one shoe fits all will never fly on all issues.
People can live where it lines up with their beliefs, that way they can have more impact on State and local politics/government.
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Hoopguru said:
Women no matter where they live should have the right to choose.
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Doesn't this kind of contradict your previous statement?
 
RR7 said:
Doesn't this kind of contradict your previous statement?
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No, I've always been women's freedom of choice advocate. Im not at all confident in the federal government making the law of the land in every issue. Doesn't mean I don't have preference on how I think States should rule or govern.
 
Hoopguru said:
No, I've always been women's freedom of choice advocate. Im not at all confident in the federal government making the law of the land in every issue. Doesn't mean I don't have preference on how I think States should rule or govern.
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But by not having it at the federal level, states will absolutely take it away. Then it's telling all the women that live there they should move elsewhere if they disagree.
 
Fox "news" host Brian Kilmeade said on his program pregnant women should not be hired. Because of course.

National Bans Off Our Bodies rallies May 14.
 
crandc said:
Fox "news" host Brian Kilmeade said on his program pregnant women should not be hired. Because of course.

National Bans Off Our Bodies rallies May 14.
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WHA??

good lord, what a pile of shit.


I really wish these morons would realize they're in the minority and that as a country we're far more progressive than their frightened minds can accept.
 
crandc said:
Fox "news" host Brian Kilmeade said on his program pregnant women should not be hired. Because of course.

National Bans Off Our Bodies rallies May 14.
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Hmm... I have a solution. Let's just make sure pregnant women have all the money and healthcare they need and companies will not need to worry about it.
 
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