OT Roe V Wade In Trouble

[Road Ratt]

The Judicial Puppet Master Behind The Roe Disaster

 

[THE HCP]

Fox "news" host Brian Kilmeade said on his program pregnant women should not be hired. Because of course.

National Bans Off Our Bodies rallies May 14.

Wonder who he voted for?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Editorial: Alito's draft ruling is so self-contradictory that it calls court's judgment into question

By the Editorial Board

The Supreme Court draft ruling overturning Roe v. Wade raises just as many arguments and counterarguments as the original ruling that Justice Samuel Alito excoriated in his opinion, leaked this week to Politico. Alito’s assertion that abortion rights don’t fall under the 14th Amendment, and that the Constitution makes no mention of abortion as a right, calls into question a wide range of other supposed rights for which no mention of any kind appears in the Constitution.

Alito basically would establish an entirely new bar for basic rights that cannot be met under a strict reading of the Constitution — not just including divisive issues such as gay marriage but also whether there is a right for gun owners to possess ammunition. The Constitution doesn’t specifically spell out a right for interracial couples to marry. Under Alito’s rationale, all those supposedly settled issues, widely accepted as basic rights, now could be subject to challenge.

Alito argues the opposite, saying that this draft ruling applies only to the rights of the unborn. But under his rationale, the Constitution offers no spelled-out rights to the unborn. In fact, it specifically excludes the unborn from having rights under the very 14th Amendment that Alito dissects as the basis for the conservative majority’s opinion.

Consider the amendment’s opening phrase: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof …” followed by the stipulation that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,” without due legal process and equal protection.

That opening paragraph specifically applies to women as a subset of all people who qualify as having been born — and it specifically does not apply to those who have not yet been born.

These are painful words to parse in such a literal way when talking about humans’ lives, but that’s the standard Alito himself is setting. This is what the Constitution says and doesn’t say. Yet Alito and the conservative majority have decided that the rights of the unborn supersede those of women even though no wording in the Constitution specifies any such distinction.

This ruling, if it survives, could force an impregnated woman in 33 states to give birth, in some cases like Missouri regardless of whether she is the victim of rape or incest.

Let the states decide without court intervention, Alito says. Yet court conservatives do favor taking away states’ rights on other divisive issues, such as limiting gun ownership and usage, even when the Constitution is squishy about such rights.

It appears that the majority only seeks a literal interpretation of the Constitution when it suits conservative justices’ political or religious beliefs. But when the wording doesn’t suit them, they simply ignore it. A court whose politics overshadow reasoned constitutional interpretation is a court whose legitimacy deserves all the public scrutiny it’s now receiving.

https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/ed...cle_73f7ab1a-6078-59d2-a0a8-ecb18800ecf2.html

 

[julius]

Editorial: Alito's draft ruling is so self-contradictory that it calls court's judgment into question

By the Editorial Board

The Supreme Court draft ruling overturning Roe v. Wade raises just as many arguments and counterarguments as the original ruling that Justice Samuel Alito excoriated in his opinion, leaked this week to Politico. Alito’s assertion that abortion rights don’t fall under the 14th Amendment, and that the Constitution makes no mention of abortion as a right, calls into question a wide range of other supposed rights for which no mention of any kind appears in the Constitution.

Alito basically would establish an entirely new bar for basic rights that cannot be met under a strict reading of the Constitution — not just including divisive issues such as gay marriage but also whether there is a right for gun owners to possess ammunition. The Constitution doesn’t specifically spell out a right for interracial couples to marry. Under Alito’s rationale, all those supposedly settled issues, widely accepted as basic rights, now could be subject to challenge.

Alito argues the opposite, saying that this draft ruling applies only to the rights of the unborn. But under his rationale, the Constitution offers no spelled-out rights to the unborn. In fact, it specifically excludes the unborn from having rights under the very 14th Amendment that Alito dissects as the basis for the conservative majority’s opinion.

Consider the amendment’s opening phrase: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof …” followed by the stipulation that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,” without due legal process and equal protection.

That opening paragraph specifically applies to women as a subset of all people who qualify as having been born — and it specifically does not apply to those who have not yet been born.

These are painful words to parse in such a literal way when talking about humans’ lives, but that’s the standard Alito himself is setting. This is what the Constitution says and doesn’t say. Yet Alito and the conservative majority have decided that the rights of the unborn supersede those of women even though no wording in the Constitution specifies any such distinction.

This ruling, if it survives, could force an impregnated woman in 33 states to give birth, in some cases like Missouri regardless of whether she is the victim of rape or incest.

Let the states decide without court intervention, Alito says. Yet court conservatives do favor taking away states’ rights on other divisive issues, such as limiting gun ownership and usage, even when the Constitution is squishy about such rights.

It appears that the majority only seeks a literal interpretation of the Constitution when it suits conservative justices’ political or religious beliefs. But when the wording doesn’t suit them, they simply ignore it. A court whose politics overshadow reasoned constitutional interpretation is a court whose legitimacy deserves all the public scrutiny it’s now receiving.

https://www.stltoday.com/opinion/ed...cle_73f7ab1a-6078-59d2-a0a8-ecb18800ecf2.html

yeah, but does the author think Tucker Carlson is racist or not?!?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

What it’s like to have a baby in the states most likely to ban abortion

If the Supreme Court overturns Roe v. Wade this summer, women in 13 states would immediately lose access to abortion in most cases, thanks to so-called “trigger” laws that outlaw abortion in all or most cases in the event that Roe falls. Four additional states, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin and West Virginia, have pre-Roe abortion bans on the books that could become enforceable again.

In 2019, the latest year for which data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is available, about 97,000 abortions were performed in states with trigger laws. If abortion is outlawed, an unknown number of pregnancies that would have been aborted will likely be carried to term.

The United States in general ranks poorly on a number of measures related to maternal support and outcomes, and a state-by-state breakdown offers a look at the varied experience of having and raising a child in this country. While child care tends to be more affordable in states with trigger laws, the rates of uninsured women and maternal deaths are among the highest in the country; no state with a trigger law or pre-Roe ban has legislation in place to guarantee paid leave, which helps women recover from giving birth without losing income.

The maps below show how every state fares on key factors that affect women, pregnancy and parenthood.

Paid leave

Paid family leave has been a fraught battle for over a century in the United States, one of the few countries in the world that does not offer paid maternity leave. The Family Medical Leave Act (FMLA), passed by Congress in 1993, guarantees 12 weeks of unpaid leave within one year, but it only applies to companies with 50 or more employees, and only to employees who have been with the company for a full year.

Ten states and Washington, D.C., have expanded on FMLA to provide some sort of paid leave. Massachusetts offers 12 weeks of paid leave, while California and D.C. offer eight. Other states provide nothing other than FMLA.


Pay

In states where abortion rights are likely to be rescinded, women earn lower salaries than women in other states.

Women in Idaho and Mississippi earn the lowest median salary, about $24,000. Next are West Virginia, Utah, New Mexico, Montana and Alabama, where women make about $25,000 on average.

Insurance

Health insurance is an important factor in the ability to access prenatal, maternity and pediatric care; lack of insurance is linked to numerous negative outcomes for both mother and child.

Uninsured women
For women ages 19 to 44. Labeled states have pre-Roe bans (✖) or "trigger" laws (✒) that would outlaw abortion if Roe is struck down.

Most states with trigger laws contain a high percentage of women who do not have private or public health insurance. Meanwhile, childbirth costs vary by area, but are typically more than $10,000 for a vaginal delivery. As of 2021, 26.3 percent of women ages 19 to 44 in Texas had no insurance coverage.

Child care


Families are generally more able to afford child care in trigger states than in others, but in Wyoming, for example, is expensive and not readily available. Quality child care is also lacking in many of these states, especially as a larger number of workers quit.

Maternal death rate

Maternal mortality has been on the rise in the United States, with Black women dying at nearly three times the rate as White women in 2020. The number of deaths of pregnant and new mothers in trigger states are among the highest.

The maternal death rate in states with abortion bans or trigger is 42 percent higher than in states with wider access.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/parenting/2022/05/06/support-in-states-banning-abortion/

 

[Phatguysrule]

Consider the amendment’s opening phrase: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States and subject to the jurisdiction thereof …” followed by the stipulation that no state shall “deprive any person of life, liberty, or property,” without due legal process and equal protection.

That opening paragraph specifically applies to women as a subset of all people who qualify as having been born — and it specifically does not apply to those who have not yet been born.

I'd never made that connection.

How can anybody argue for the rights of the unborn when it is so clearly spelled out?

 

[crandc]

Before Roe, it was quite unusual for women to be prosecuted for abortion. That is almost certain to change. For a while, anti woman groups tried to pretend women were helpless victims of unscrupulous doctors because of course we are too stupid to make our own health care decisions. But their god emperor said in so many words women should go to prison for abortion; men, explicitly, should not. And anti woman politicians and their supporters are positively gleeful about lock her up.
In reality it will be poor, Black and Latina women going to prison.

 

[Road Ratt]

Desi Lydic Foxsplains: The Supreme Court Leak

 

[calvin natt]

How are there even enough women left to make it possible for any Republican to win anything ever anywhere. It’s insane. Or black people. Or poor people. What the hell are they doing. Pull ur heads out.

 

[Phatguysrule]

How are there even enough women left to make it possible for any Republican to win anything ever anywhere. It’s insane. Or black people. Or poor people. What the hell are they doing. Pull ur heads out.

They've been de-educated... misinformed...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I'd never made that connection.

How can anybody argue for the rights of the unborn when it is so clearly spelled out?

Me neither. I detest the concept of abortion, but I'm also well aware I can't argue against its legality from a conditional standpoint.

 

[crandc]

In every state that has voted for forced birth, women are less than 40% of the state legislators. In many they are less than 20%. So literally men forcing their will on women's bodies.

 

[crandc]

All those white dudes protesting masks, carrying My body my choice signs....

My body their choice

 

[e_blazer]

Views on abortion don’t really vary much by gender.

https://news.gallup.com/poll/245618/abortion-trends-gender.aspx

 

[Lanny]

Look at the bright side, this means Republicans will go down in popularity.

 

[crandc]

Republicans don't need to be popular. All they need is extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression to guarantee them a majority even with a minority of votes, and five far right activists on supremacist court.
Seriously, none of their ideas are popular. Outlawing abortion, overturning marriage equality, book banning.

 

[Lanny]

Republicans don't need to be popular. All they need is extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression to guarantee them a majority even with a minority of votes, and five far right activists on supremacist court.
Seriously, none of their ideas are popular. Outlawing abortion, overturning marriage equality, book banning.

1939 Germany?

 

[Chris Craig]

Republicans don't need to be popular. All they need is extreme gerrymandering and voter suppression to guarantee them a majority even with a minority of votes, and five far right activists on supremacist court.
Seriously, none of their ideas are popular. Outlawing abortion, overturning marriage equality, book banning.

Exactly

 

[julius]

Look at the bright side, this means Republicans will go down in popularity.

Ideally, yes, but their ability to spin what should be a massive L into a W is great

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[crandc]

Sounds like a terrific program, @SlyPokerDog. There should be a secular version in every school. I stead, schools are banning every book on sexuality and states pass don't say gay and don't make white people uncomfortable laws.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Propagandist]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[julius]

That'll never go over with the "sO yOU wANT tHE gOVERMENT tO rAISE yOUR kIDS" mouth breathers.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

'These barbaric laws will one day be overturned by something called progress': SNL takes aim at Supreme Court's plans to overturn Roe vs Wade with sketch set in 13th Century - same period cited in draft decision

• SNL also poked fun at the leak of a draft Supreme Court decision indicating the justices are poised to overturn the constitutional right to abortion
• Cumberbatch cast members star in a sketch set in 13th century England, riffing on Justice Samuel Alito's draft decision that cites a treatise from that era
• 'We go now to that profound moral clarity almost a thousand years ago, which laid such a clear foundation for what our laws should be in 2022,' said a narrator
• Three men, including one played by Cumberbatch, become obsessed with outlawing abortion
• 'They'll look back and say 'no need to update this one at all! They nailed it back in 1235!' Cumberbatch says of their laws
• Weekend Update then riffed on the news as well later in the show: 'Tomorrow is Mother's Day, whether you wanted to be one or not,' joked Colin Jost

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...upreme-Courts-plans-overturn-Roe-vs-Wade.html

 

[crandc]

A rabbi and congress member wrote an op ed about this ruling's attack on First Amendment. Abortion in Jewish law is not only permitted, it is a religious imperative when pregnancy would threaten life or health of the woman. And that includes her mental health and overall wellness.
For the radical right wing activists on court, religious freedom means freedom for conservative Christians to force others to live by their views and to hate gays.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[SlyPokerDog]